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Warning Over Booking Connecting Flights  
User currently offlineTUIflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 206 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6935 times:

'The Air Transport Users Council has urged passengers to remain aware of booking their own connecting flights.

The council has advised that passengers who decide to book two seperate flights with different airlines on the same journey could lose out as airlines may not be obligated to refund or rebook passengers who miss connections.

Passengers who book connecting and main flights with the same airline may benefit from the individual airlines policies regardind delays and cancellations.

"Our advice to passengers who [book two separate connecting flights] is simple: don't risk it. Missing such a connecting flight usually means having to buy a new ticket, often at a more expensive, last-minute fare and paying for any meals and accommodation," ATUC chairman Tina Tietjen commented.'


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User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6911 times:

Been the way for a long time.

You buy a ticket from point A to point B on airline 1 and A to B on airline 2. If airline 1 is delayed and you miss airline 2's flight, airline 2 wont do anything as the contract is A to B and nothing else. Airline 1 also dont have to do anything as there contract was A to B and they fulfilled that contract


User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 3059 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6902 times:

Old news.

It's been like this since the year dot.

Mind you, Letsfindaflight seems late with anything newsworthy, and it gets tiresome.

Shamu



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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6825 times:

It would also seem to be an extraordinarily expensive (and complicated) way to book flights...


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User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6798 times:

Sometimes it can be cheaper
Full fare to low fare carriers for example, special deals and ffers as well.


User currently offlineCuriousFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 702 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6738 times:

Yup it creates a lot of stress, but it can save thousands of dollars. I sometimes do it but I make sure the transfer time is long, eg 4-5 hours, with a preference for 24 hours if i have time...

User currently offlineJfidler From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6735 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 3):
It would also seem to be an extraordinarily expensive (and complicated) way to book flights...

I do this now and then, and the reason is it's a lot cheaper. For example, there may be few carriers who bother to offer fares on a TLL-SYD itinerary, but plenty of carriers who offer FRA-SYD. In addition, there is likely to be competition on a FRA-SYD itinerary, which can keep the prices lower. So I'll book one round-trip on OV TLL-FRA, and a separate round-trip on the FRA-SYD itinerary.

I make sure I have adequate connecting time in FRA, since in some cases there will not be an interlining agreement in place for baggage, which means I'll need to retrieve it and re-check it. I don't mind a few extra hours in FRA, since I'm *G and have access to the lounges. Also there's good spotting from the McDonald's at FRA  Smile

I did an itinerary like that 2 months ago to get to IAD. TLL-FRA on OV, and a separate FRA-IAD itinerary on UA. I save at least 30% over a TLL-IAD itinerary.

If I think there's a big risk of missing connections, I'll also get travel insurance that covers delays and missed connections up to a certain monetary value.


User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3806 posts, RR: 29
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6663 times:

Quoting Trekster (Reply 1):
If airline 1 is delayed and you miss airline 2's flight, airline 2 wont do anything as the contract is A to B and nothing else. Airline 1 also dont have to do anything as there contract was A to B and they fulfilled that contract

While it is entirely correct that an airline (at least in the U.S.) has no obligation to rebook pax who miss connections not included on the same ticket for no charge, the airline for whom I work empowers its ticketing changes and re-issues agents to reaccomodate pax on a case-by-case basis for no charge in same manner a we would if their itinerary were on one ticket when missed connections to/from our airline occur when adequate allowance was made on their ticketed (on more than one ticket) itinerary that includes interline connections. What incentive would pax have to be deceptive on this matter considering that a call and therefore some degree of hassle is involved...to say nothing of the fact that they would no doubt much rather have been on their originally ticketed onward (connecting) flight ticketed separately.

At the same time, many pax will state up front before travel commences that they will be making a connection between our airline and "airline X" which gives us the opportunity to preclude many probable missed connections, such as a pax just two days ago who was connecting at a major airport from our airline to one with whom we do not have a baggage transfer agreement. Since the pax's original plan called for a layover time of only 1 hour 20 minutes ("a crap shoot at best" as the pax put it when advised of the logistics of his proposed connection) we were able to easily and painlessly get him booked instead on our flight arriving one hour earlier to allow for the not inconsiderable amount of time required to claim checked luggage, re-check luggage with connecting airline and pass through security again. We make such adjustments on a fairly regular basis.

[Edited 2008-02-11 14:41:05]

User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6591 times:

While some carriers do have a little leyway, espcially when its same airline to same airline, or airline to same alliance, there can be a little leyway, but totally sep carriers, then its a no most of the time.

User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6541 times:

Talk about being the ego-centric American!! Shame on me for not realizing that this process could be cheaper internationally. I admit now I learned something, especially jfidler's example of Tallin-Sydney versus Tallin-Frankfurt- (layover)-Sydney example. Thanks to all!!

Ironically enough, I have actually done this for my mom - she lives in Bakersfield and that metropolitan area DESPERATELY misses American Airlines flying to DFW. To fly into Ft Smith, Arkansas, from the west coast, AA and DFW are the logical choices.

Instead of fighting the crowds at LAX (and the requisite Airport Bus), my mom drives or takes the train down and stays overnight with me. I then put her on the AA flight to DFW & FSM, and then the same process happens in reverse.

For this last trip she took in October, right at the time of the wildfires and high winds, I bought her an ExpressJet ticket BFL-SAN. She flew in on Sunday, and then Monday morning I put her on the flights east. Same thing in reverse. Wasn't the cheapest way to go, but considering how bad the weather was, I was GLAD to do it!!



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26795 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6524 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 9):

Instead of fighting the crowds at LAX (and the requisite Airport Bus), my mom drives or takes the train down and stays overnight with me.

You could always try sending her from PMD now.



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User currently offlineCoolGuy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 414 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6187 times:

What if you bought a connecting flight on the same airline but on two different itineraries? Would that be ok? I am actually doing that soon, same airline, same flight number and even the same airplane. Obviously I wouldn't miss the connecting flight but I hope that my bag stays on instead of going to the carousel and having to recheck it.

User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6120 times:



Quote:
You could always try sending her from PMD now.

Nope. AA doesn't fly PMD-DFW. The only reason she would use LAX is because Airport Bus runs daily buses 24/7/365 to LAX, stopping at all terminals. None to BUR, LGB, SNA, or ONT, much less PMD.

I've been BEGGING American or American Eagle to restore the BFL-DFW flight, but no luck. Until then, this is the arrangement we will live with.



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User currently offlineN6168E From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 6009 times:



Quoting CoolGuy (Reply 11):
What if you bought a connecting flight on the same airline but on two different itineraries? Would that be ok? I am actually doing that soon, same airline, same flight number and even the same airplane. Obviously I wouldn't miss the connecting flight but I hope that my bag stays on instead of going to the carousel and having to recheck it.

It would depend on the airline, but I recently did that with Thai, JFK-BKK and BKK-CNX. Booking the segments separately was was much cheaper than booking it all on one reservation (and I booked it directly with TG). Our JFK-BKK flight was delayed 3 hrs and we were going to miss our connecting flight (the last flight of the day). TG was great and put us up overnight in the BKK airport hotel and gave up vouchers for breakfast. They had it all set before we left New York and told us to check with the Special Service Desk in BKK.


User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 5987 times:



Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 7):
Since the pax's original plan called for a layover time of only 1 hour 20 minutes ("a crap shoot at best" as the pax put it when advised of the logistics of his proposed connection) we were able to easily and painlessly get him booked instead on our flight arriving one hour earlier to allow for the not inconsiderable amount of time required to claim checked luggage, re-check luggage with connecting airline and pass through security again. We make such adjustments on a fairly regular basis

Did you charge the person more for the extra leg on your airline? Or, did you "take" the ticket from the other airline? If not, you should have.


User currently offlineMohunk From United States of America, joined May 2007, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5961 times:

I have booked one itinerary on different airlines through Expedia/Orbitz/Travelocity....and never thought about the consequences of an earlier flight being late--missed connection. What happens in this situation? Do Expedia...step in to help or does airline #1 (they were late after all) take care of it? Or am I out of luck? Have to rethink this!!!!!!!!!

User currently offlineAFGMEL From Australia, joined Jul 2007, 747 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5961 times:

Pax try it on though. They will book two different and seperate itineraries on the same airline with only say a 45min connection. If the first flight is delayed at all, they can't make it and then start shouting. This, despite the fact that many airlines have a connection minimum of 90 mins.

As I understand it, the airline is NOT required to rebook you for free if you flouted their rules.



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