RedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4181 posts, RR: 30 Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2175 times:
Hamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2657 posts, RR: 59 Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2053 times:
Azhobo From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 348 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1979 times:
I came up with 25 net cancellations in airbus single aisle for January. Correct me if i am wrong.
Hamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2657 posts, RR: 59 Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1973 times:
Quoting Azhobo (Reply 4): I came up with 25 net cancellations in airbus single aisle for January
No. Airbus had no cancellations that I could pinpoint.
Astuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9142 posts, RR: 96 Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1837 times:
Quoting Thegeek (Reply 6): Roughly 100 months of backlog for both A & B (or 8 years). Are A & B going to be increasing their production rates soon?
Over the next 2-3 years, Airbus should see another 5 or 6 A320's per month, and of course, the A380 should hit 4 per month in 2010.
Boeing in that time should see 787 deliveries ramp up into double figures per month, which as far as I can see, is a direct addition to the current delivery rate.
I would expect delivery rates by 2010 to be of the order of 45-50 frames per month for each manufacturer.
Which means backlogs will still be in excess of 6 years overall.......
Which does now tally with 3,458 unfilled orders at end January.
Quoting Azhobo (Reply 4): I came up with 25 net cancellations in airbus single aisle for January. Correct me if i am wrong.
You are.
Airbus totals for A320 family at end December 2007 were 103, 1592, 3489, 665 (total 5,849).
In Jan they added 210 new orders - 0, 6, 204, 0 (giving a total of 6,059).
As others have pointed out, there were some conversions between types (9 x A319 converted to 9 x A321), but the family totals do tally 5,849 + 210 = 6,059.
Scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 11363 posts, RR: 50 Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1774 times:
If folks find this helpful, and I promise to double-check the numbers before I post the next one, I'm more than happy to produce this data each month. Personally, I find it helpful to see what both manufacturers have done month-on-month. The biggest frustration is having to wait till the middle of the following month before we get Airbus's numbers.
Does anyone know an easy way to find Boeing order conversions - it's reasonably simple (if a little tedious) for Airbus because the O&D spreadsheet contains a complete list of every airline that operates the types (even if they've never ordered directly from Airbus). I'm not aware that the same data is available from Boeing.
Scouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3255 posts, RR: 10 Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1735 times:
Something that I've noticed - is that Airbus seems to of overtaken Boeing in the size of the backlog (is this for the first time?)
Dec07 Jan08
A 3421 3622
B 3427 3458
Obviously there's a hidden detail in there with B having a greater proportion of wides in their backlog but interesting nonetheless!
Scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 11363 posts, RR: 50 Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1654 times:
Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 12): Something that I've noticed - is that Airbus seems to of overtaken Boeing in the size of the backlog (is this for the first time?)
I believe Airbus has previously had a bigger backlog than Boeing. Boeing's three straight 1,000+ years enabled them to catch up and move ahead of Airbus. This month Airbus is back in front, next month it could be Boeing again. To be honest, comparing backlog on a month-to-month basis is no more than interesting, while comparing on a year-by-year basis certainly reveals more.
Hamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2657 posts, RR: 59 Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1458 times:
Quoting Scbriml (Reply 11): Does anyone know an easy way to find Boeing order conversions
The best method I've found is to look in their "Standard Reports" then "Report by Model" listing. There it will give you a breakdown of the various sub-models. Once listed, just check it against previous months (however, this assumes that you have a seperate listing of the previous months breakdown. For me, I've been keeping Excel spreadsheets on orders for nearly five years now, so it's a bit easier ).
Conversions that I can remember off the top of my head from January:
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