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Extreme Hard Landing Swiss At London City (video)  
User currently offlineKLM-MD11 From Greece, joined Mar 2002, 471 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 40729 times:

Look at this: very rough landing to say the least...

nosewheel touchdown on 2nd bounce, wingflex, possible tailstrike...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5prz1Ae5QM

rgds,

KLM-MD11


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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12040 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 40687 times:
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Did they land, or were they shot down? I hope the seat cushions were soft.

There's a nice moment a few seconds in to the landing where it gets a bit side-on and the starboard gear lifts off the runway!  Wow!



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User currently offlineOgre727 From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 712 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 40613 times:

This was pretty bad. I had never seen this video before. How badly damaged was this aircraft?


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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 40607 times:

Holy s**t......thats gonna hurt. Was there damage to the plane?

User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3364 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 40598 times:

Is this the one that had to be floated away on barge for repairs?

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...oating-pontoon-at-london-city.html


User currently offlineKLM-MD11 From Greece, joined Mar 2002, 471 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 40626 times:

found a slowmotion version of the video

http://www.youtube.com/v/UG8HfLsZqs0


do they build them any stronger than that??



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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5225 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 40529 times:



Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 4):
Is this the one that had to be floated away on barge for repairs?

Definitely a different one as this one is in the regular LX colors and the one that was floated away on the barge is in Star Alliance colors.



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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3364 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 40488 times:



Quoting OA412 (Reply 6):
Definitely a different one as this one is in the regular LX colors and the one that was floated away on the barge is in Star Alliance colors.

Thanks, can't watch the video as work blocks them, so I wasn't sure!


User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3945 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 40486 times:

Crikey!! Awesome video. Thanks for sharing, KLM-MD11  spin 

R


User currently offlineGlidepath73 From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 1020 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 40444 times:

Seems there was a sudden strong wind from left?... Scary...

I remember that a few month ago, a LX Avro had to be repaired at LCY. Maybe it was that one, we have here on the video.
Whats the date of the video?

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Patrick



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User currently offlineGlidepath73 From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 1020 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 40364 times:

Thanks RobK. What caused this hard landing? Side wind? Sudden strong turbulence?


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User currently offlineASAFA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 168 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 40347 times:



Quoting OA412 (Reply 6):


Quoting Scouseflyer,reply=4:
Is this the one that had to be floated away on barge for repairs?

Definitely a different one as this one is in the regular LX colors and the one that was floated away on the barge is in Star Alliance colors.

Just imagine how hard that one must have landed!



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User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3945 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 40321 times:



Quoting Glidepath73 (Reply 11):
Thanks RobK. What caused this hard landing? Side wind? Sudden strong turbulence?

Sorry, I don't know. I posted the above in error - I was looking at the video added date, which isn't forced to be the date it was actually taken, hence why I edited my post.

R


User currently offlineEI320 From Ireland, joined Dec 2007, 1427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 40314 times:

I've never seen a landing as rough as that at LCY! It must have sustained some damage, but I don't think there was a tailstrike if you look very closely.
When did this happen?

Quoting Glidepath73 (Reply 11):
What caused this hard landing? Side wind? Sudden strong turbulence?

I would say a sudden side wind.

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User currently offlineBoeingOnFinal From Norway, joined Apr 2006, 476 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 40246 times:



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 1):
There's a nice moment a few seconds in to the landing where it gets a bit side-on and the starboard gear lifts off the runway!

Starboard = Right. So it is port side main gear that lifts, starboard wing down.  Smile

Quoting Glidepath73 (Reply 9):
Seems there was a sudden strong wind from left?... Scary..

A wind gust, increase in strength with a nose component, would be an energy increase. That would give an airspeed increase and increase in lift which would usually mean you would get to high, i.e. above the glide path. London City is special though, since it has a fairly steep glide path. The usual (simplified) way of correcting for an energy increase is to decrease thrust, and pitch down to catch up with the glide path while keeping the airspeed constant. But on short final, depending on the situation, a go-around might be more appropriate (no way to tell from this video though).

So you might be right, it might be a correction last minute from an energy increase. Although, speculating like this never gets us anywhere, as there is no way to tell or find out unless a report is released.

What are the UK CAA rules on reports about this? I mean this will most likely be reported to the operator, and the aircraft will be checked out for structural damage, but do the authorities require a report?



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12040 posts, RR: 47
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 40035 times:
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Quoting BoeingOnFinal (Reply 15):
Starboard = Right. So it is port side main gear that lifts, starboard wing down.

Yes.  blush 

Did I give it away that I'm not a pilot?



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19097 posts, RR: 53
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 40000 times:

Thanks for the video - enjoyed it. Now, I like turbulence, etc, but that? Hmm.  Big grin


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User currently offlineKLM-MD11 From Greece, joined Mar 2002, 471 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 39898 times:

Looking at the videos again I would say there was a tailstrike. Watch very carefully when just after the first touchdown of the main gear and the smoke of it's tyres, there is another puff of smoke between the main gear. This could not have been from the nose gear as that one first touches the runway on the second bounce.

I say, SWISS should add a crash-charge on the flight fares to LCY - looks like a pretty expensive place for them to operate jets into...

KLM-MD11



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User currently offlineAntonovA330 From Switzerland, joined Jul 2007, 327 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 39880 times:

Wow! The PAX got three touchdowns for free! Hope they're all ok though...

When was this video recorded?



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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8643 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 39827 times:



Quoting BoeingOnFinal (Reply 15):
What are the UK CAA rules on reports about this? I mean this will most likely be reported to the operator, and the aircraft will be checked out for structural damage, but do the authorities require a report?

I checked both the UK and Swiss AAIB sites, no reference to an incident or accident on their sites for a swiss registered Bae146 or RJ at LCY, which means it is either very very recent, or no tail strike.

I did see a number of other tail strikes, wind shear, gusty conditions, and turbulence seemed to be common factors. Crew were totally unaware of a tail strike in one report I read saying they did not know until the engineer/mechanic completed his walk around and reported the ground contact.



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User currently offlineWAH64D From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 966 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 39772 times:

The BAe146 family are built like tanks. McD-D eat your hearts out!!

The aircraft was designed to land on pretty rough strips but that landing looked pretty extreme. Its said to be the easiest aircraft to land smoothly due to the very soft spring rates of the main gear.

[Edited 2008-02-12 03:44:23]


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User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3414 posts, RR: 50
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 39570 times:

ouch! That surely isn't the landing technique they teach us  Wink

Good find, thanks.


User currently offlineN53614 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 239 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 39564 times:

*SINK RATE* *PULL UP!*

Wow...this video is proof positive that landings are never easy.



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User currently offlineVoodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2053 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 39504 times:

Now: repeat using BA A318 ?


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User currently offlineRichM From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 796 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 39489 times:

That looks awesome, would have loved to have been on that flight!

25 Cpd : Amazing landing. At one point it looked like it might turn into a big accident.
26 GBan : " target=_blank>http://www.flightglobal.com/articles....html I'm not so sure about that, to me the one floated away does not look like having a Star
27 Post contains images UnitedTristar : Hey as they say, any landing you can walk away from is a good landing! -m
28 BuyantUkhaa : I was thinking the same. "Dear passengers, we hoped you enjoyed this premium product, welcome to London..." Now I know this kind of landing could hap
29 AirCatalonia : Holy crap. To me it doesn't look like a sudden wind gust. It looks more like a normal cross-wind landing in which they just forgot to pull up in time!
30 Post contains links and images BuyantUkhaa : It did have a Star Alliance livery: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...r-hard-landing-at-london-city.html
31 BAViscount : As far as I'm aware (from reading a number of sources), Swiss has two RJ100's in *A livery, HB-IYU and HB-IYV (I actually flew on HB-IYV on Jan. 31st
32 MD88Captain : Watch the nose come down as the plane comes into the frame and then they pull the nose up - but too late. The nose is adjusting up as they slam down.
33 Wolflair : Spot on. I was waiting a flight to ZRH when HB-IYU arrived with that tailstrike and the GVA flight was cancelled (a shame I was not looking out of th
34 Sh0rtybr0wn : What would have happened if an MD-80 hit the runway that hard? What causes most go-arounds? Crosswinds?
35 Kmh1956 : Mine too! I get this huge message saying that it may contain "questionable material"......that's what you get for working for a school. I'm going to
36 Post contains images MattRB : And any landing after which you can still use the plane is considered a great one "Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to London City Airport. Please use c
37 Sandyb123 : " target=_blank>http://www.youtube.com/v/UG8HfLsZqs0 Whow that is a big bump! What surprises me is that the aproach pitch increases as the aircraft c
38 NEMA : Cant understand why you say that...this could have easily gone the other way with a badder than bad ending. Looks to me like the nearest you get to a
39 Post contains images GBan : Thanks, on that picture even I do see it
40 SandroZRH : That's what I thought aswell. Yeah, but if you catch a bad windshear seconds before touchdown, there might not be enough time to execute a standard g
41 Post contains images Wolflair : However it may be more appropriate to say: "Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to London City Airport. Please use caution when removing the overhead stora
42 Post contains links COA735 : This is what he should have done. It doesn't hurt to go around http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoYVOJLkTw0&feature=related
43 Helvknight : Or "Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to London City Airport. Please remain seated for a short time while Captain Kangaroo bounces us to the gate. Please
44 Post contains images DaBuzzard : Don't know about soft but I would bet a few were wet
45 Readytotaxi : "Bing Bong, . . . . Bungy Airlines would like to welcome you to London City Airport"
46 Flyf15 : Wow, that was a horrible landing. No matter what excuses they can come up with, the crew did a disastrous job on that one... they should both be disqu
47 WAH64D : Its all well and good to be an armchair Captain. The final approach was obviously normal until the last moment. You notice a major rudder application
48 Spacecadet : I wouldn't say it was "obviously" normal, because we only see it just before touchdown.
49 RobK : For those interested, the "videor" has replied to my email asking what date it was taken. It was shot in the afternoon on 17 January 2008. R
50 Drewwright : I agree. I think the problems began with an unstable approach, probably well above the already steep glideslope to LCY. They tried to salvage it and,
51 BlueShamu330s : With respect, I'd be bold enough to suggest it was the very integrity of the aircraft's construction and capabilities which ultimately saved this lan
52 Flyf15 : I would say both points could be argued. The integrity of the aircraft is definitely what saved everyone's lives onboard, but the capability of the a
53 Post contains images SandroZRH : Ah look at all the experienced 747 captains speaking, jeez Needless to say, you'd have done a better job
54 Flyf15 : Although I don't fly 747s, I do fly Part 121 transport category jets. Yes I would've. You know why? I wouldn't have attempted a landing. Theres no sh
55 Post contains images BlueShamu330s : Without you quoting someone else's contribution, it's hard to ascertain who your acerbic comment is directed at. Some of us have actually progressed
56 Post contains images Jamesbaldwyn : Well, make the most of the landing fees
57 PU752 : Despite of this terrible landing, none of us were in the cockpit so we don't really know what truly happened....they could've been experiencing some s
58 Post contains images SandroZRH : I don't doubt your capabilities of flying a jet, but you weren't in the cockpit. It's always easy to judge others from outside, do we all agree? And
59 COA735 : How can you know that. You only see a couple of seconds of the final.
60 WAH64D : Tail Spoilers (speed brake) deployed is standard practice on steep approaches in the BAe146/ARJ. The lift dump spoilers on the wings didn't deploy un
61 MD80fanatic : I'm not certain about Avros.....but are the speedbrakes (on the rear) normally fully open prior to touchdown? The entire time that plane was in the ca
62 WAH64D : Because the aircraft's control surfaces are in their normal landing configuration. If a go-around had been attempted, the speed brake would certainly
63 Post contains images BlueShamu330s : Good luck....I won't ever knock someone with a passion for flying
64 Rheinbote : The 146 has a tactical airlifter pedigree. I recall seeing a 146 in lizard camo with large cargo doors in F'boro back in the late Eighties. The high f
65 Mir : Yeah, that's normal, especially on steep approaches like that to LCY. The approach does not look stabilized at all, but it's not because of the speed
66 Post contains links Rlwynn : No where near as good as this http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=LAljM7CaY10
67 Flyf15 : " target=_blank>http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=LAljM7CaY10 Wow, that is impressive...
68 Post contains images COA735 : " target=_blank>http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=LAljM7CaY10 Nice... Them brits sure know how to fly their planes.
69 Scotland1979 : Wow! What a 3-time bounce landing! Must have good shocking parts replaced at Midas or Mufflerman prior to flight! Love watching it again... nice exper
70 Tdscanuck : Depending on when the suspected gust hit, they may not have had the ability to avoid touchdown. There isn't an aircraft out there whose control autho
71 Ferrypilot : ...I mostly agree although it looks to me like by the time he had messed up his xwind landing technique he was already committed to hitting the groun
72 A380US : WOW Really sucks for anyone on the plane!!!
73 Viscount724 : LCY runway is also only 98 ft wide vs. the more common 150 ft and often 200 ft at most major airports.
74 PU752 : I agree, they were committed to hitting the ground.........a little windshear could be one of the causes too..... about the go around I guess there w
75 FlyLKU : Not bad ... for a carrier landing.
76 Post contains images Plunaaircanada : I hope the airport doesnt charge them 3 or 4 landing fees.
77 Ferrypilot : All he needed was plenty of attitude. ..."Like I know I can do this"... and a boot full of right rudder coupled with a touch of left aileron towards t
78 Ps76 : Hi, From a spotters perspective at LCY a few times I actually don't think this landing is that much worse than normal (flame away!). But really I don'
79 Ferrypilot : There is clearly a high xwind value throughout the landing and the wing lifts because the aircraft is not tracking straight and there is far too much
80 Post contains images Wolflair : Well, LCY is almost an a/c carrier!
81 KLM-MD11 : OK! Someone at PPrune mentions the a/c was grounded for inspections for 2 days. Now, you don't tell me they do that after a landing that was just wor
82 Ps76 : Well it's my opinion (and I said I'm only a spotter). If I want to get knocked down for not knowing stuff I can go to PPrune (which I don't do becaus
83 Fbgdavidson : Exclusive footage of those Swiss pilots in training!
84 Saab2000 : What's most striking to me about that is the near loss of directional control on the roll out. Not a pretty picture at all.
85 Rbgso : I think the aircraft acquitted itself quite well.....amazing it took that much punishment without a collapse of the undercarriage.
86 Tdscanuck : Was it grounded for two days, or were they inspecting it for two days? A two day inspection is very abnormal. Grounding for two days so that you can
87 Av8trxx : You guys are spot on in those observations! The lack of adequate wind correction (which is why after the 2nd bounce and touchdown the left main comes
88 Zeke : Tom as I mentioned before, the UK AAIB and Swiss AAIB have no incident or accident reports for any swiss registered aircraft at the moment at LCY, an
89 KLM-MD11 : Hi P, you sure act Peed-off... since you said: that is exactly what I did - flame away. Now go back to your FS2004
90 Post contains images Eyes2thesky : Wow, sweet poetry in motion. He (or she) started the flair while still in the crab and nailed the timing
91 E195 : " target=_blank>http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=LAljM7CaY10 whats the expression 'any landing you can walk away from is a good one' e195
92 Ferrypilot : ...Yes I agree that crosswind landing at Leeds is pretty good. Actually that is my home town field. Or at least it was when I was young.
93 Post contains images Barney Captain : .......and still use the same a/c to depart again in.
94 2H4 : Could you kindly post a link to that thread? 2H4
95 Zkpilot : Bad landing yes, but have seen worse...doubt it would have sustained serious damage from this...
96 FlyboyOz : Wow! what a bummy landing. I have never seen it before in my life. It looks like it was fun but i know it's too dangerous. I had been on rough landing
97 PilotRecruit : Great approach and landing by the pilot considering how hard the wind was trying to make it unstable! The best part of that landing was the zero dip
98 Ferrypilot : The landing at Leeds is a good example of the crab technique. ...But your statement above is misinformed or at least it can easily be misconstrued. I
99 Czbbflier : Here's a similar sort of landing in Bern- in a BA146 no less.... The aircraft bounced off the runway and the pilots pulled up and stayed up for a miss
100 Mah584jr : That's a crazy video. You could really get hurt.
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