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The Mysterious A380 VIP ..revealed (Pt 2)  
User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9210 posts, RR: 76
Posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 14427 times:

Continuing on discussions from The Mysterious A380 VIP Customer..revealed (by RUHFlyer Nov 12 2007 in Civil Aviation) (now closed)

* Prince Alwaleed bin Talal Al Saud is planning to spend up to $176 million customizing his A380 $320 million superjumbo
* marble-panelled dining room to be constructed “next to a bar with curtains to mimic tents of the Arabian desert”
* whirlpool bath and sauna
* movie theatre, gym and series of bedrooms with en-suite bathrooms are reportedly planned for the upper deck
* missile (anti) (?) system

more at http://www.arabianbusiness.com/51093...-alwaleed-plans-176mn-airbus-refit

[Edited 2008-02-12 00:47:38]


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User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 14295 times:

I love the A380 but these interior details sound vile.

How can you have a whirlpool bath in a jet? Surely the water goes splashing all over the place.  Confused I find it difficult to write legible notes on a plane never mind have a bath.


User currently offlineMoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 4043 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 14204 times:



Quoting Babybus (Reply 1):

How can you have a whirlpool bath in a jet? Surely the water goes splashing all over the place. Confused I find it difficult to write legible notes on a plane never mind have a bath.

Have a wet room - problem solved.


User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2872 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 14170 times:



Quoting Zeke (Thread starter):
Prince Alwaleed bin Talal Al Saud is planning to spend up to $176 million customizing his A380 $320 million superjumbo

Spending nearly $200 million after buying a $300 million dollar jet. Add in maintenance and fuel (although this should be pocket change for this guy) and the price is high. Thats half a billion dollars!

I think the tent will be very interesting. Wonder if he would be willing to show a few pictures to us in the future?


User currently offlineGorgos From Greece, joined Dec 2007, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 14160 times:

So, its going to have three levels? There's no need for a full conventional cargo level as a regular commercial configuration boasts of. Movie theatre in the basement?

Agreed. This whole arabian 1001 nights concept is horrible. Airplanes should be hightech. I also dont like that darkwooden furniture.


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9656 posts, RR: 31
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 13949 times:



Quoting Elite (Reply 3):

Spending nearly $200 million after buying a $300 million dollar jet. Add in maintenance and fuel (although this should be pocket change for this guy) and the price is high. Thats half a billion dollars!

Don't look at it as a transport. This aircraft is more than that. For the owner, it is a prestige object that gives him free publicity all over the World. It will impress his business partners and it will give him all the credit and access to additonal financing in business projects he wants.

Who will ever ask this guy for references, after he is taken for a ride in the A380 Palace, with all the catering he wants, including girls?

This plane is a very thoughtful and well spent business investment which will yield much more than the 500 Million bucks he eventually spends on it.



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User currently offlineJFK787NYC From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 13817 times:



Quoting Gorgos (Reply 4):
So, its going to have three levels? There's no need for a full conventional cargo level as a regular commercial configuration boasts of. Movie theatre in the basement?

Agreed. This whole arabian 1001 nights concept is horrible. Airplanes should be hightech. I also dont like that darkwooden furniture.

These guys travel with entourage of 50 brings with him cars everywhere he goes. So, Cargo hold is needed.
I think he flies with his own Limo, Just in case.

You guys must understand he is considered a sell out in the religious sense. He has partnered last year with Bill Gates which the two are planning on investing Billions into Israeli Tourism.

He also walks around in suits and not the white sheets. He maybe a target of assassination so he has a lot of bodyguards.


User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2872 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 13708 times:



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 5):

You have a point. I guess having your own A380 will be extremely impressive to anyone. I'd live in it if I owned one.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 5):
including girls?

Wait, did it mention anything about private bedrooms?

Jokes  Wink


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9656 posts, RR: 31
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 13437 times:



Quoting Zeke (Thread starter):

* movie theatre, gym and series of bedrooms with en-suite bathrooms are reportedly planned for the upper deck



Quoting Elite (Reply 7):

Wait, did it mention anything about private bedrooms?

yes, miles high in the sky Big grin



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User currently offlineCF105Arrow From Canada, joined Oct 2007, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 13356 times:



Quoting JFK787NYC (Reply 6):
These guys travel with entourage of 50 brings with him cars everywhere he goes. So, Cargo hold is needed.
I think he flies with his own Limo, Just in case.

You guys must understand he is considered a sell out in the religious sense. He has partnered last year with Bill Gates which the two are planning on investing Billions into Israeli Tourism.

He also walks around in suits and not the white sheets. He maybe a target of assassination so he has a lot of bodyguards.

I don't want to shock you but he does wear what you call "the white sheet" like everybody else in his country. Also like most Saudis when not in the Middle East, he wears western clothes.


User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3313 posts, RR: 40
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 13318 times:



Quoting Zeke (Thread starter):
marble-panelled dining room

Marble effect panelling or actual real marble? Surely real marble would be quite heavy to use for decoration in an aircraft.



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User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 13249 times:



Quoting Babybus (Reply 1):
How can you have a whirlpool bath in a jet? Surely the water goes splashing all over the place.   I find it difficult to write legible notes on a plane never mind have a bath.

Sticker on the side of the pool will say "To be (drained and) stowed during takeoff and landing." Does it recycle the bath water for coffee, tea or me? Or does the bath water go to the coffee drain out the back of the aircraft?

Quoting Zeke (Thread starter):
missile system

Can't do without one of these intercontinental ballistic missiles on board, can you? You feel so much safer.



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User currently offlineEllehammer From Denmark, joined Jun 2007, 95 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 13218 times:

Well it is great to see all the money we dole out for oil being recycled back to Western hi-tech companies. Wonder what his countrymen think, though...

User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 13092 times:



Quoting JFK787NYC (Reply 6):
He also walks around in suits and not the white sheets.

 Yeah sure It's called a Thobe..

Not true. He regularly wears the garment while in the Gulf but on certain occasions (some in and around his country) he wears suites as a more casual dress. You see that a lot with many men in the area.

Quoting CF105Arrow (Reply 9):
I don't want to shock you but he does wear what you call "the white sheet" like everybody else in his country. Also like most Saudis when not in the Middle East, he wears western clothes.

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User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 12989 times:



Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 13):
he wears suites as a more casual dress

Funny idea of casual wear~



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User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 12921 times:



Quoting Babybus (Reply 1):
How can you have a whirlpool bath in a jet? Surely the water goes splashing all over the place.

It's pretty rare for your drink to spill in flight (due to airplane motion, anyway) and you assume that a whirlpool will have more freeboard.

Quoting Gorgos (Reply 4):
This whole arabian 1001 nights concept is horrible. Airplanes should be hightech.

For $500 million, the airplane should be whatever you want it to be. If he wants 1001 Arabian Nights, more power to him.

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 10):

Marble effect panelling or actual real marble? Surely real marble would be quite heavy to use for decoration in an aircraft.

Business jets don't use the same economics as commercial. Yes, real marble would be heavy, but it would also be real marble. The latter is a lot more important in this type of aircraft than the former.

Tom.


User currently offlineFlysherwood From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 12555 times:



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 5):
This plane is a very thoughtful and well spent business investment which will yield much more than the 500 Million bucks he eventually spends on it.

I am not sure that you can call it a well spent business investment. But he can afford it. It just goes to show what kind of absurd wealth the Al Saud family has amassed. This Prince is a businessman that has done quite well. But the capital for his business money still came from the same old place.

Someday the oil will run out or an alternative will be found and then they will look around and try to figure out what happened to all the money. They are kind of like the guys in Vegas who hit a big jackpot and cannot help but spend like a drunken sailor on his first day back from sea. It happened in the 70's and many blew a ton of money. It is happening again.  Yeah sure


User currently offlineA350 From Germany, joined Nov 2004, 1101 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 12374 times:



Quoting Zeke (Thread starter):
next to a bar with curtains to mimic tents of the Arabian desert

Aren't there more economic ways to enjoy living in a tent?  banghead 

Cheers

A350



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8696 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 12297 times:



Quoting Flysherwood (Reply 16):

I am not sure that you can call it a well spent business investment. But he can afford it.

I agree. Although if I had a hareem like his I would probably make room in my plane, I find Bill Gates and Warren Buffet much more honorable people. They don't waste their money on frivolous objects.

Talk about idolatry. This plane is not practical, just too big.


User currently offlineGorgos From Greece, joined Dec 2007, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 12244 times:



Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 15):
For $500 million, the airplane should be whatever you want it to be. If he wants 1001 Arabian Nights, more power to him.

Of course he can do whatever he wants. None of my busines actually. However, it becomes painfully obvious to me again that people with too much money often have very little taste. Again, not talking about VIP A380 but the 1001 nights theme...  banghead 


User currently offlineGorgos From Greece, joined Dec 2007, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 12021 times:

Famous Burj al Arab tower, arguably beautiful from the exterior.

http://www.dubai-hotels-reservation....j-al-arab/gallery/burj-al-arab.jpg

The interior. 1001 nights theme. Absolutely no coherence with exterior.

http://www.transit-port.net/Gallerie...ai/images/Burj.Al.Arab.Pattern.jpg


User currently offlineFlysherwood From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11811 times:



Quoting Flighty (Reply 18):
Talk about idolatry. This plane is not practical, just too big.

They say that "little" men buy BIG toys to impress the women and other men. Holy Cow, talk about the BIGGEST toy!!! This guy must be tiny!!!  Wink


User currently offlineHangarRat From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 633 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 11567 times:



Quoting Babybus (Reply 1):
How can you have a whirlpool bath in a jet?

Drain the water to a closed tank for take off and landing.

In cruise, there shouldn't be any accelerations that cause the water to slosh. With ample freeboard, it should be able to handle moderate turbulence. As long as turns are coordinated, the water should stay level, just like your Heineken does in the little plastic cup or the ball in a turn coordinator.



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User currently offlineBardoman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 11441 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 5):

This plane is a very thoughtful and well spent business investment which will yield much more than the 500 Million bucks he eventually spends on it.

It's his (or his people's?) money, and he can do whatever he wants with it but - please - don't use business school BS to explain this ego-inflating purchase. It has nothing to do with ROI!

[Edited 2008-02-12 11:15:02]

User currently offlineEmSeeEye From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 508 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 11397 times:

Half a Billion dollars buys a lot of food, clothing and medicine!

[Edited 2008-02-12 11:21:03]

25 Manfredj : A very thoughtful business investment? Do we have our minds on straight? This is an arrogant use of money no matter how you slice, dice, or cut it. A
26 Post contains images Slider : Just as long as he doesn't celebrate Valentine's Day with those girls.
27 PanHAM : It has everything to do with ROI and he will get every Euro back. You can call this guy arrogant, egocentric or whatever you want, but he is smart an
28 Faro : He may be wealthy but if this is the way he needs to accomodate his travels, I think the vast majority of humankind are far richer than him. Faro
29 Ferroviarius : Sure, but did the sweet ideas of socialism ever materialize in the Middle East (besides in Israel, of course, but even ElAl offers three classes, if
30 Post contains images Flysherwood : He is so smart that he owns a huge percentage of CITI Group. You know; the ones that just wrote down $ 7 Billion in bad loans. He will never make bac
31 Bardoman : I’m not questioning his right to spend his money however he wants. I may have different opinions, depending on whether one can afford a $500,000,00
32 Post contains images Flysherwood : Hallelujah!!! It would be one thing if Bill Gates was doing this, since he truly made his own riches. The fact that the Al Saud family has been pilla
33 JAGflyer : The guy is worth 20 billion and is the 13th richest in the world. This A380 is nothing for him.
34 Post contains images Flysherwood : $ 500 million is not nothing, I don't care if you are worth 25 billion.
35 A380US : Even with all the added weight would this a/c be able to operate ULH?
36 Post contains links Viscount724 : He is the major investor in Four Seasons Hotels (also Fairmont Hotels) which are generally considered to be very tasteful. Four Seasons is usually ra
37 Post contains images TCT : They should do a second version of Air Force One the movie on this jet, lol imagine.
38 PanHAM : Well, he is not one of the thousands of princes doing nothing because they are sitting on a sea of oil. This guy belongs to the Royal familiy there,
39 CF105Arrow : Very well put. In addition, the more controversy it creates, the more publicity he gets.
40 FlyingAY : I think you are looking it from the Western (or Greek?) point of view. For someone living in Middle East, the interior could look very tasteful and s
41 Gorgos : Of course I agree with you (Im Dutch by the way, just live in Greece). My only objection is that the color gold or the marble in the interior is not
42 JFK787NYC : Relax he is smart and I could guarantee you that he is probably purchasing massive amounts of CITI stock as we speak. Every bank in the world is writ
43 JFK787NYC : Yes he does need a 747 to fly around on. The United States up until the last four years was considered the world's Economic Powerhouse. A 747 was a s
44 Tdscanuck : A lot of VIP jets have extensive auxiliary tanks fitted. And I suspect that, even with the extravagant interior, they're not going to hit the payload
45 Post contains images FlyingAY : If you can point me 25% of European countries where the president/king has an own plane, I will agree, but I do not think that even a quarter of head
46 Post contains links DEVILFISH : Well, certainly not - for a "flying casino" anyway. They seem to not run out of ideas on what to use the plane for..... http://www.defense-aerospace.
47 Zeke : The A380 Prestige has the same fuel volume as the A388, and a design range of 8900 nm.
48 Post contains images Ikramerica : Though I don't know that you need a $500 million plane, it is true that those producers and financiears at the Cannes film festival who have yachts (
49 Luv2cattlecall : Agreed; the words "Bling Bling" come to mind... On one hand, that applies to the USA as well....but on the other hand, you have a good point; especia
50 Ikramerica : We have historically low unemployment and food is available to anyone who wants it through government programs and charitable organizations in every
51 Luv2cattlecall : Sorry about that, I read it as "Where there are people who live with no food and no jobs," implying that no one here is unemployed or without food.
52 FlyASAGuy2005 : The guy is actually a HUGE philantrapist...
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