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Will UAL Fly To Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia?  
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Posted (13 years 7 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1722 times:

I was wondering why UAL isn't flying to Kuala Lumpur. Does anyone know why?

I personally think that they should open up one or two routes to KL from places like Los Angeles, San Francisco etc. Or have connecting flights from Hong Kong, Singapore or Tokyo. What do you guys think?

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User currently offlineNickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1487 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (13 years 7 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1642 times:

Kuala Lumpar really isn't that large a city.

UA is far better off flying there using code-share partners such as ANA via Japan. TG via BKK and SQ via SIN are possibilities, but would require one extra stop as there are no nonstop flights from the US to either BKK or SIN. Note that even to a large city like BKK, UA only flies a daily 777 from SEA via NRT.

NW does fly there - I believe 3? times a week via NRT, but probably mainly because partner MAS has its hub there.



User currently offlineMason From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 748 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (13 years 7 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1637 times:

I think NW flies a DC-10 from KIX (Osaka), flt. 95, also from SEA. I could be wrong, but I believe this to be true.

User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (13 years 7 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1632 times:

I'm pretty sure you're correct on that, Mason!

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User currently offline747buff From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 742 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (13 years 7 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1620 times:

Did Pan Am ever fly to KUL? I thought I saw it in one of their old schedules, but correct me if I'm wrong.


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User currently offlineOdiE From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (13 years 7 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1615 times:

I really wish UAL can have direct schleduled flights into Kuala Lumpur in the near future. I can't see the problem. MAS' route to Hong Kong, Taipei, Shanghai and Tokyo are pretty filled up most of the time. This is the same for other airlines who operate these routes as well, i.e. Cathay Pacific; China Airlines; Eva Air; China Southern and Japan Airlines. I don't see any problems if United can't catch the Malaysia-Asia market if not the Malaysia-US market. Presently, NWA is the only US carrier that operates into Malaysia 3 times a week. MAS operates into LAX daily and to EWR thrice weekly. I wonder if they will increase the flights into US anytime soon! MAS a few years ago planned a KUL-SFO route but was dropped due to the economy downturn. I really hope that MAS will consider the route for their summer scheldules. I would like to see UAL's aircraft at KUL though!!

User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (13 years 7 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1593 times:

OdiE-you just named the problem at the bottom of your post.

It all has to do with the amount of flights--or lack thereof. Nine weekly Malaysia-US flights (3 weekly that operate KUL-KIX, and on to a handful of US destinations), serving two different destinations. Sadly, there'es not too much room for another player...

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User currently offlineOdiE From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (13 years 7 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1583 times:

I think MAS wants to increase their flights to LAX but it's just that they can't get any traffic rights from any of the Asian countries eg. Hong Kong and Japan. As for EWR, MAS do enjoy some good traffic. Their only problem is, it is operated via Dubai and not European airports such as Frankfurt, Amsterdam, Paris, Zurich or London. If they were operated via these European airports and fifth freedom rights were granted, I don't see any problems of them earning loads of money on the EWR route. And furthermore, I am not too sure if I am right about this, don't you think they should operate to JFK instead of EWR? I will not comment on this. the KUL-LAX route is actually one of their profitable route, so I don't see why an US carrier wouldn't earn any money on this. And I think NWA is planning to utilize a biiger aircraft for the KUL-KIX route or increase the frequency. Thanx!


User currently offlineILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (13 years 7 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1585 times:

This is another one of United Airline's wishfull thinking topics. UA...you've got to understand that the market is not there for KUL flight. It makes a lot more scence to code share with ANA or Thai.

Also, if you look at United Airlines's route structure, it is built on hub and spoke. That is why UA inly serves 7 destinations in Europe. Why serve 15, when you can go to 7 and route people on to your code share partners?...the answer is economics.


User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (13 years 7 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1575 times:

I have wondered myself, why does Malaysia serve EWR instead of JFK? Most I'ntl airlines at EWR, fly also to JFK.


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User currently offlineOdiE From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (13 years 7 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1564 times:

Flyguy1: I am not too sure. Maybe US government didn't allow MAS to fly into JFK and only into EWR? I hope MAS will commence flights into JFK soon as well. Or maybe the landing fees at JFK are too high?

User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4503 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (13 years 7 months 1 day ago) and read 1554 times:


As with your last topic regarding KUL, I would like to know where you het all of your information!

As a consultant working for various airlines all around the world, and also in Singapore/Malaysia region, I know that MAS is one of the most closeted companies when it comes to providing even aviation insiders, not to talk even about the general public, with company inside-information.

So, in view of this, I really wonder where you got all of the information regarding the fact that MAS's EWR-route is profitable and its LAX-route is its most profitable route... Could you provide me with any source, please? Or did you just presume this yourself, for whatever reason?

Btw, by stating that you are wondering about the reason why MAS isn't operating its New York flights via Europe, you have already shown me that you are not even close to an insider of the company. If you would have had any knowledge about this matter, you would have known that MAS did indeed have very specific reasons to operate this route via DXB.

In another post you announced us Lufthansa's return to KUL as well. Also then, I have asked you about your source. Unfortunately, I didn't get an response.

As from the very start of this topic, once again, United Airline apparently felt the urgent need to make yet another post, as always not prohibited by any knowledge of the facts, let alone a general overview of the industry.

If I remember well, he was stating the apparant need for 'a route or two' by UA, which would most likely be non-stop!

As always, with his proposals, no need for any further explanation as to the very reasons behind his proposal that would make this service profitable.

I can already come up with United Airline's next proposal, which might be like this: "I think UA should order the A380 for operating a non-stop LAX-KUL and a non-stop ORD-KUL route. What do you guys think?"

After my suggestion, United Airline apparantly adopted the slogan "Quality is more important than quantity" into his personal profile on this page.

Unfortunately that is about it for the time being, as I have not read any decently-supported thought or proposition by this author. Althought his average number of daily posts easily top 5, we can unfortunately not say the same thing about the number of lines he is using to support his ideas!


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (13 years 7 months 22 hours ago) and read 1541 times:

HB-IWC:


Opps. Sorry but you are wrong as I think you will never see an A 380 in UAL's livery, as UAL is committed to an ALL Boeing fleet for planes that are larger than the B 757.

Anyway, save your breath as I will not stop posting.  Smile


Best Regards:
Des


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4503 posts, RR: 72
Reply 13, posted (13 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 1525 times:


Please go on posting, I didn't expect you to do anything else. You won't of course be offended by me going on pointing to any stupidities or unnecessary posts.

Once again, when asking a question, please make sure first that you really cannot find the answer yourself executing an elementary search on the web. We have seen too many posts of you asking elementary questions, that could have been easily looked up.

Furthermore, when introducing yet one of your fabulous ideas, please come up with some support of your ideas as well. That what it's in real life will all be about as well, sir!

Otherwise, one would be forced to think that you are just an empty bucket to whom quantity is indeed more important than quality. I am sure you wouldn't want that to happen...

Finally, if you don't want to become more ridiculous than you already are, please remove that stupid remark from you bio in which you proudly announce your number of previous posts. I makes you look like a schoolboy.


User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (13 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 1525 times:

HB-IWC...

Gotta love the comment about "it's the quality of the posts"!

LOL!

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User currently offlineG-KIRAN From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2000, 736 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (13 years 7 months 18 hours ago) and read 1512 times:

I dont think that UA will fly to KUL direct.Its easier to codeshare with THAI or SIA then to risk a direct service.From LAX MAS will be to much compotion for them because their product is better and they fly daily.I can never see UA flying daily to KUL.But UA have the advantage of having their large domestic network which has a major hub in LAX,so thats their only card.A 777 via Tokyo,KIK or HKG will be the probable choice.
The Northwest route to New York La Guardia is flown via Osaka,Seattle and Detroit using DC10s.Buts its a real milk run!


User currently offlineSailorOrion From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 2058 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (13 years 7 months 14 hours ago) and read 1497 times:

I guess it's a range problem, I know that SIA will start SIN-ORD service in August. (SIN is very close to KUL). But due insuffient range the flight will stop in MUC, as well as SIN-JFK stops at FRA.

User currently offlineWorldVoyager From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (13 years 7 months 12 hours ago) and read 1476 times:

Why does MAS operate its EWR flight via DXB rather than Europe?

User currently offlineBoeing747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (13 years 7 months 4 hours ago) and read 1464 times:

What's wrong with you? United Airline has every right to post as you do, so shutup about that. Don't expect to see an A380 in UAL, they are commited to Boeing for planes larger than the 757, UA is right.

User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4781 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (13 years 7 months ago) and read 1450 times:

Keep it up, HB-IWC.

User currently offlinePhileo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (13 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1430 times:

MAS is the first carrier who operate direct flight from DXB to EWR and EK was codesharing with MAS on this flight.
Well, the actual reasons? I'm not sure, maybe due to less competition by flying from DXB.


User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6216 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (13 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1427 times:

Accoding to an article I read on MAS . They said they chose to fly to DXB because it's the only nonstop at the moment from the US to Dubai . Which is a booming trade center that they think that could be supported by both passengers and cargo . They were supposed to go daily on the route but I have no clue what happened . The route in my opinion makes scence .
Chepos
Puerto Rico



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User currently offlineMas777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2935 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (13 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1412 times:

The amount of bickering on this post! Let's set a few things straight...

UAL had at some stage in the early 1990s planned to begin flights into Kuala Lumpur but on evaluation did not. UAL currently has no plans to serve Kuala Lumpur.

Northwest's DC10 service is due to be upgraded to a 747 later this year. This is in-line with the new code-share between MAS and NWA.

Malaysia and the USA actually have an open-skies policy which allows any carrier from either country to operate any route they wish between any airport located within both countries.

MAS chose to operate into EWR due to lower costs (and let's be honest - EWR is much more pleasant than JFK anyhow...) and there was initial support from Continental Airlines to code-share on the EWR-DXB-KUL route until CO, NW and KL fell out.

MAS, NWA and KLM are in fact in talks about tri-code sharing on certain Trans-Atlantic routes via Amsterdam so the whole KUL-Eastern USA route map may well change in the next few years.

MAS and NWA are also going to develop Narita and Kansai into mini-hibs to coordinate Trans-Pacific services. There are also plans to develop Nagoya as their next hub.

GO 'WINGS'!


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