I could see the emergency lights out the window at D-7. The only flight I know that went off the runway was 624 CLE-EWR. The airport had been put on a Ground Stop for arrivals for snow removal, then the snow turned to freezing rain, and the runways and taxiways quickly became extremely slick, and very quickly, all the inbounds that were in the air, began to divert to places like CMH, DTW, ORD, etc.
At about1930, ExpressJet Ops offcially cancelled all flights in/out of CLE for the remainder of the evening. CO, Chautauqua and CommutAir were all still trying to run at least a flights in/out of CLE. As I write this, it's 2052 local, and Concourses C and D are clearing out, as no arrivals are coming in still. ATC Ground Stop update at 2100.
DeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 8 Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 19596 times:
"Cleveland Hopkins International Airport closed around 6:30 tonight after three planes slid off of icy runways while taxiing."
In that case, they weren't runways, they were taxiways. If they were taxiing.
I find it hard to believe that three planes skid off...
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Corey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2519 posts, RR: 5 Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 19596 times:
Unless I'm missing something, it seems like all three planes were taxiing and slid off the taxiway... Typical drama saying three planes 'skid off the runway' which is a completely different story.
Falcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 19523 times:
Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 2): Unless I'm missing something, it seems like all three planes were taxiing and slid off the taxiway... Typical drama saying three planes 'skid off the runway' which is a completely different story.
One was definitely out on the runway. I believe that was 624 CLE-EWR.
PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 6867 posts, RR: 29 Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 19512 times:
Agreed.
There is a big difference between 3 aircraft slidding off at a low speed while taxing versus a high-speed overrun when attempting to stop a landing roll.
Falcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 19492 times:
Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 4): There is a big difference between 3 aircraft slidding off at a low speed while taxing versus a high-speed overrun when attempting to stop a landing roll.
Jesus, but you guys nit pick to death. That isn't the story here.
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21025 posts, RR: 60 Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 19396 times:
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 5): Jesus, but you guys nit pick to death
You are kidding right?
I read the topic and wondered how in the hell 3 planes could have a landing/takeoff incident at one airport in one day? Even in snow. I was scared for the lives of people. A plane slipping off a taxi-way or even a plane slipping off the end of a runway as it tried to line up is NOT the same thing as being "off runway."
It is not a nit pick. It's a very, very, very different thing!
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FlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2260 posts, RR: 11 Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 19310 times:
I was working a flight here in CMH when I noticed an unusually large amount of Continental aircraft coming in. When all was said and done, there were 10 Continental aircraft parked on the east ramp:
1 737-800
3 Dash-8s
1 CRJ-200
5 ERJ-145s
There were also 3 aircraft parked at Continental's gates, though I'm not sure if they were supposed to be there or if they were diverted aircraft also. In addition, USAirways diverted an ERJ-170 and an A319 into CMH.
FWA2500 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 98 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 19175 times:
we have a good bit of ice build up down here in the southern part of the state too...here at OXD we closed early due to the ice and also because the University closed due to the weather. im not sure what the winds were as our wind gauge was frozen solid, but they weren't strong, just alot of freezing rain on top of snow.
thos photo doesnt really do a good job of showing the ice, but its all i have from today...im assuming that CLE also had a similar amount of snow and ice, but a bit more since they are a good bit farther north than us:
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21025 posts, RR: 60 Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 19018 times:
N766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 7976 posts, RR: 27 Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 18814 times:
That's the story I see! I assumed a jet went off the left, a jet went off the right, a jet went off 28/10, and CLE was a mess! Fortunately it's not quite that dramatic.
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21025 posts, RR: 60 Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 18812 times:
Quoting Mnevans (Reply 12): As fate would have it, I'm on US tomorrow, not CO like usual. I think it'll be ok.
As long as the plane wasn't RONing tonight and it's clear tomorrow, you should be fine. Considering it's a late morning flight, I doubt it was a RON.
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OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 18574 times:
Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 1): I find it hard to believe that three planes skid off...
I've never seen three, but have seen two. Back in around 1992 or 1993, UA and CO each had flights slide of taxiways at OKC. Had OKC been as busy as CLE, it could have easily been more. About an hour later, someone else went sliding off just up the road at ICT. The NWS had just recently changed over from human weather observers to the mechanical ASOS systems, and we later came to learn that the freezing rain sensor has to shed accumulated ice every so often, and when it goes into this 10-15 minute defrost mode, the freezing drizzle/rain sensor is not available to the system, so you won't get any mention of any freezing drizzle/rain, even if it's falling. Operations can be conducted in LIGHT freezing drizzle or LIGHT freezing rain, but not in moderate or heavy conditions. It's entirely plausible, if not likely, that the light freezing drizzle that had been falling before any of the OKC aircraft slid off went to a moderate or heavy condition temporarily (while the ASOS sensor was offline) and slicked things up such that one's first inkling that prohibited conditions had occurred was demonstrated via the two aircraft sliding off. There's a good reason operations in moderate or heavy freezing drizzle/freezing rain are prohibited--they can quickly turn an airport into a skating rink.
Scramjetter From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 82 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 17297 times:
Another botched formation takeoff of 737s. I knew this would happen some day.
Asteriskceo From United States of America, joined May 2004, 410 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 16937 times:
Seeing as how the media tries to make things so much more dramatic, especially with us airline nuts, makes things scary to think about how many unrelated articles are over played and dramatized.
Yeah it is because the 6R was instantly closed and 6L was not clear of snow which forced the initial diversions. Up till then they had been landing just fine.
It certainly took the city long enough to get 6L up and running. You would have thought they would have been alternately cleaning both runways just in case of an event.
Cancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 13 Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days ago) and read 7692 times:
a freind of mine (dispatcher) had an airplane stuck in CLE for three hours because it simply got stuck. they had to get towed off the taxiway and back to the terminal.
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AirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days ago) and read 7308 times:
Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 2): Typical drama saying three planes 'skid off the runway' which is a completely different story.
I really don't see where you're getting 'drama' from. Whilst the article did admitedly say runways, it also clearly stated runway approaches.....to all non-'experts' out there there is really no difference.
Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 4): There is a big difference between 3 aircraft slidding off at a low speed while taxing versus a high-speed overrun when attempting to stop a landing roll.
There is indeed, yes. However, nowhere in the article does it even remotely either suggest, claim or imply that "a high-speed overrun when attempting to stop a landing roll" took place!!! So thus why add 'drama' when there was none originally there?
Threepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2091 posts, RR: 8 Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6653 times:
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 5): Jesus, but you guys nit pick to death. That isn't the story here.
I agree with you. It was a factual account with none of the melodrama injected after the fact by some sensationalist-prone members of this site.
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6): I was scared for the lives of people. A plane slipping off a taxi-way or even a plane slipping off the end of a runway as it tried to line up is NOT the same thing as being "off runway."
Well, um...yes it is. If a plane goes 'off the runway', then it's clearly 'off-runway'. Not sure how you're justifying your point here, unless you're inventing some speed or damage quantification that the rest of us aren't aware of.
Taxiway or runway or apron, the point remains that it was very icy and planes clearly had issues maintaining the desired speed or direction. You and some others are the ones who read the added drama that simply didn't exist. Before you get frightened for the lives of people, perhaps in future obtain the facts before passing rash judgement?
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