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3 Planes Off Runway At CLE: CLE Shut Down  
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 20685 times:

And I was right smack dab in the middle of it, working a BOS flight at D-7.

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008...cleveland_hopkins_internation.html

I could see the emergency lights out the window at D-7. The only flight I know that went off the runway was 624 CLE-EWR. The airport had been put on a Ground Stop for arrivals for snow removal, then the snow turned to freezing rain, and the runways and taxiways quickly became extremely slick, and very quickly, all the inbounds that were in the air, began to divert to places like CMH, DTW, ORD, etc.

At about1930, ExpressJet Ops offcially cancelled all flights in/out of CLE for the remainder of the evening. CO, Chautauqua and CommutAir were all still trying to run at least a flights in/out of CLE. As I write this, it's 2052 local, and Concourses C and D are clearing out, as no arrivals are coming in still. ATC Ground Stop update at 2100.

What loads of fun.  Yeah sure

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User currently offlineDeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 20664 times:

"Cleveland Hopkins International Airport closed around 6:30 tonight after three planes slid off of icy runways while taxiing."

In that case, they weren't runways, they were taxiways. If they were taxiing.

I find it hard to believe that three planes skid off...



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User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2527 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 20664 times:

Unless I'm missing something, it seems like all three planes were taxiing and slid off the taxiway... Typical drama saying three planes 'skid off the runway' which is a completely different story.

User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 20591 times:



Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 2):
Unless I'm missing something, it seems like all three planes were taxiing and slid off the taxiway... Typical drama saying three planes 'skid off the runway' which is a completely different story.

One was definitely out on the runway. I believe that was 624 CLE-EWR.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7590 posts, RR: 27
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 20580 times:

Agreed.

There is a big difference between 3 aircraft slidding off at a low speed while taxing versus a high-speed overrun when attempting to stop a landing roll.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 20560 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 4):
There is a big difference between 3 aircraft slidding off at a low speed while taxing versus a high-speed overrun when attempting to stop a landing roll.

Jesus, but you guys nit pick to death. That isn't the story here.  Yeah sure


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21528 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 20464 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 5):
Jesus, but you guys nit pick to death

You are kidding right?

I read the topic and wondered how in the hell 3 planes could have a landing/takeoff incident at one airport in one day? Even in snow. I was scared for the lives of people. A plane slipping off a taxi-way or even a plane slipping off the end of a runway as it tried to line up is NOT the same thing as being "off runway."

It is not a nit pick. It's a very, very, very different thing!



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User currently offlineFlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 20378 times:

I was working a flight here in CMH when I noticed an unusually large amount of Continental aircraft coming in. When all was said and done, there were 10 Continental aircraft parked on the east ramp:

1 737-800
3 Dash-8s
1 CRJ-200
5 ERJ-145s

There were also 3 aircraft parked at Continental's gates, though I'm not sure if they were supposed to be there or if they were diverted aircraft also. In addition, USAirways diverted an ERJ-170 and an A319 into CMH.

[Edited 2008-02-12 18:20:05]

User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 20356 times:

Anyone know the flight numbers of the other two run-offs?

User currently offlineFWA2500 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 20243 times:

we have a good bit of ice build up down here in the southern part of the state too...here at OXD we closed early due to the ice and also because the University closed due to the weather. im not sure what the winds were as our wind gauge was frozen solid, but they weren't strong, just alot of freezing rain on top of snow.

thos photo doesnt really do a good job of showing the ice, but its all i have from today...im assuming that CLE also had a similar amount of snow and ice, but a bit more since they are a good bit farther north than us:



also check out the grass 

[Edited 2008-02-12 18:32:04]


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User currently offlineMnevans From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 20211 times:

Great... Does anyone think this will still be a problem tomorrow morning? I have a flight out at 1035

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21528 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 20086 times:



Quoting Mnevans (Reply 10):
I have a flight out at 1035

It might cause EROPS for your flight where the aircraft aren't where they should be. But CO will notify you in advance.



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User currently offlineMnevans From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 19961 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 11):

It might cause EROPS for your flight where the aircraft aren't where they should be.

As fate would have it, I'm on US tomorrow, not CO like usual. I think it'll be ok.


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8268 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 19882 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 5):
That isn't the story here.

That's the story I see! I assumed a jet went off the left, a jet went off the right, a jet went off 28/10, and CLE was a mess! Fortunately it's not quite that dramatic.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21528 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 19880 times:



Quoting Mnevans (Reply 12):
As fate would have it, I'm on US tomorrow, not CO like usual. I think it'll be ok.

As long as the plane wasn't RONing tonight and it's clear tomorrow, you should be fine. Considering it's a late morning flight, I doubt it was a RON.  Smile



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 19642 times:



Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 1):
I find it hard to believe that three planes skid off...

I've never seen three, but have seen two. Back in around 1992 or 1993, UA and CO each had flights slide of taxiways at OKC. Had OKC been as busy as CLE, it could have easily been more. About an hour later, someone else went sliding off just up the road at ICT. The NWS had just recently changed over from human weather observers to the mechanical ASOS systems, and we later came to learn that the freezing rain sensor has to shed accumulated ice every so often, and when it goes into this 10-15 minute defrost mode, the freezing drizzle/rain sensor is not available to the system, so you won't get any mention of any freezing drizzle/rain, even if it's falling. Operations can be conducted in LIGHT freezing drizzle or LIGHT freezing rain, but not in moderate or heavy conditions. It's entirely plausible, if not likely, that the light freezing drizzle that had been falling before any of the OKC aircraft slid off went to a moderate or heavy condition temporarily (while the ASOS sensor was offline) and slicked things up such that one's first inkling that prohibited conditions had occurred was demonstrated via the two aircraft sliding off. There's a good reason operations in moderate or heavy freezing drizzle/freezing rain are prohibited--they can quickly turn an airport into a skating rink.


User currently offlineScramjetter From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 18365 times:

Another botched formation takeoff of 737s. I knew this would happen some day.  cold 

User currently offlineAsteriskceo From United States of America, joined May 2004, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 18005 times:

Seeing as how the media tries to make things so much more dramatic, especially with us airline nuts, makes things scary to think about how many unrelated articles are over played and dramatized.

User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 14412 times:



Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 1):
In that case, they weren't runways, they were taxiways. If they were taxiing.

No, in at least one of them it was a slide off the runway while attempting to get lined up to take off.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):
It is not a nit pick.

Yeah it is because the 6R was instantly closed and 6L was not clear of snow which forced the initial diversions. Up till then they had been landing just fine.

It certainly took the city long enough to get 6L up and running. You would have thought they would have been alternately cleaning both runways just in case of an event.


User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 8760 times:

a freind of mine (dispatcher) had an airplane stuck in CLE for three hours because it simply got stuck. they had to get towed off the taxiway and back to the terminal.


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User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 8376 times:



Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 2):
Typical drama saying three planes 'skid off the runway' which is a completely different story.

I really don't see where you're getting 'drama' from. Whilst the article did admitedly say runways, it also clearly stated runway approaches.....to all non-'experts' out there there is really no difference.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 4):
There is a big difference between 3 aircraft slidding off at a low speed while taxing versus a high-speed overrun when attempting to stop a landing roll.

There is indeed, yes. However, nowhere in the article does it even remotely either suggest, claim or imply that "a high-speed overrun when attempting to stop a landing roll" took place!!! So thus why add 'drama' when there was none originally there?


User currently offlineThreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2135 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 7721 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 5):
Jesus, but you guys nit pick to death. That isn't the story here.

I agree with you. It was a factual account with none of the melodrama injected after the fact by some sensationalist-prone members of this site.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):
I was scared for the lives of people. A plane slipping off a taxi-way or even a plane slipping off the end of a runway as it tried to line up is NOT the same thing as being "off runway."

Well, um...yes it is. If a plane goes 'off the runway', then it's clearly 'off-runway'. Not sure how you're justifying your point here, unless you're inventing some speed or damage quantification that the rest of us aren't aware of.
Taxiway or runway or apron, the point remains that it was very icy and planes clearly had issues maintaining the desired speed or direction. You and some others are the ones who read the added drama that simply didn't exist. Before you get frightened for the lives of people, perhaps in future obtain the facts before passing rash judgement?



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