Flying-tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4115 posts, RR: 39 Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4574 times:
Quote: Synergy Aerospace, the Latin-American consortium, has signed a Memorandum of Understanding for ten A350-800s and ten options, Airbus said Wednesday.
This further commitment comes in addition to the 47 A320 Family aircraft and ten A330-200s that its subsidiaries already have on order, making it a key customer for Airbus in Latin America, Airbus said.
Synergy Aerospace, is a shareholder of Avianca and SAM in Colombia, Oceanair in Brazil and VIP in Ecuador.
CHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 63 Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4528 times:
Quoting Flying-tiger (Reply 2): Interesting order as they already have B787-800s on order.
The A350, particularly the -9 dovetails pretty nicely with the 788 - remember they are about to take a bunch of A332s so methinks this is re-commencement of services to Europe and West Coast US. Great news.
What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
Scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 11447 posts, RR: 50 Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4334 times:
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 3): The A350, particularly the -9 dovetails pretty nicely with the 788 - remember they are about to take a bunch of A332s so methinks this is re-commencement of services to Europe and West Coast US. Great news.
In theory yes. However, the linked article says they've selected the A350-800.
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Synergy Aerospace, the Latin-American consortium, has signed a Memorandum of Understanding for ten A350-800s and ten options, Airbus said Wednesday.
This further commitment comes in addition to the 47 A320 Family aircraft and ten A330-200s that its subsidiaries already have on order, making it a key customer for Airbus in Latin America, Airbus said.
Synergy Aerospace, is a shareholder of Avianca and SAM in Colombia, Oceanair in Brazil and VIP in Ecuador.
Interesting order as they already have B787-800s on order.
It truly amazes me to see how well Airbus has been doing in the South American market these past few years.
I'm not surprised to see an A350XWB order from them, but surprised to see that they have opted for the A350-800, which competes to some degree with the 787-8.
But still nice to see yet another A350 customer, and yet another customer that have opted for a combo fleet of 787's/A350's.
Summa767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2388 posts, RR: 7 Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4076 times:
Quoting WINGS (Reply 5): I'm not surprised to see an A350XWB order from them, but surprised to see that they have opted for the A350-800, which competes to some degree with the 787-8.
They ordered 10 firm and 10 options for 787s. I just hope that this A350-800 order, for exactly 10 + 10, does not mean that the 787s order is getting cancelled.
The A350-800 has higher capacity than the 787s (at about 300 as opposed to 250 pax in two classes). So I hope, and trust, that there will be room in Avianca and OceanAir (once it consolidates) to have both types of new generation of widebodies.
Scouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3267 posts, RR: 10 Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4019 times:
Quoting Summa767 (Reply 7): They ordered 10 firm and 10 options for 787s. I just hope that this A350-800 order, for exactly 10 + 10, does not mean that the 787s order is getting cancelled.
I agree, if it did lead to a cancellation - would it be the first for the 787?
Atnight From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 590 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4019 times:
Wow... looks like Avianca may become the 2nd largest Airbus operator in Latin America after TAM... Who would of thought so? After being a Boeing operator for decades...
Now, Ordering the A350-800 does seem a little odd when you already have 787-8s on order and it would have seem that the logical move, if they wanted a bigger option would have been the 787-9, but I guess you may never know... Also, aren't they ordering too many aircraft? they are looking at 30wb fleet: 10 A330s, 10 B787-8s, 10 A350-800s.... Could they be thinking of selling their B787s slots to someone else or just adding aircraft? Anyways, makes you wonder...
BTW, are they the first airline to order both B787-8s and A350-800s?
I also hope that they indeed keep both B787s and A350XWBs... would be sweet to see both aircrafts in their livery! Anyways, congrats to Avianca (Synergie Group) and Airbus!
Scouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3267 posts, RR: 10 Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3927 times:
"Neither Airbus nor Synergy has indicated for which carriers the A350s are destined. Synergy is linked not only with Avianca but several other carriers in South America including Colombia’s SAM, Brazil’s Ocean Air and Ecuador’s VIPSA."
This extract from the article raises the possibility that these may not be for Avianca but for one of the other airlines in the family.
Moo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3615 posts, RR: 4 Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3780 times:
Quoting Tavong (Reply 13): I don´t understand a MoU already is a firmed order?
Quoting 777jaah (Reply 14):
I think it is. What is really different is a LoI, AFAIK.
No, and MoU (Memorandum of Understanding) and LoI (Letter of Intent) are essentially very similar in what they mean - which is nothing other than the signers have an intention to do business on a certain matter. Neither of them is a firm order, which is either signed in place of an MoU/LoI or at some point afterward.
Summa767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2388 posts, RR: 7 Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3759 times:
Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 12): This extract from the article raises the possibility that these may not be for Avianca but for one of the other airlines in the family
It will be Avianca and/or what is currently OceanAir (which will change name to Avianca anyway).
At the moment OceanAir is scheduled to receive 7 A330s, and Avianca 3 to complement its 767s. But I guess that this should change according to market conditions at the time of delivery. I presume that the A350s will boost the long haul operation of the denser routes once they are delivered.
VIP is only a small regional airline, but given Ecuador's potential, it's conceivable that they might operate long haul routes in the future. I would guess that A330s or 787s would be more likely, however.
SAM is esentially Avianca (its planes carry the AV livery and name), but it only operates domestic and the odd short haul international route)
HawkerCamm From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 401 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3330 times:
In terms of payload range the A350-8 is nearer to the B787-9 than the -8.
It could just be that the A350-8 and B787-8 combo provided the best numbers on the routes they are set to be deployed on. Perhaps the airline will fly the B787-8 in a dense 2-class configuration for <4000nm (South American/North America) and fly the A350-8 in a medium density 2-class configuration 5000nm+ to europe.
The fact Airbus and Boeing have some degree of overlap between the A350 and B787 allows the airline to pick and mix the best platform for each mission should they so choose. One of the big selling points of the B787 & now the A350XWB are their reduced maintaince schedules. It therefore holds that it is less costly to have a mixed A350/B787 fleet than A330/B767/B777.
I expect more and more airlines will fly both A350 & B787. (Watch BA, QF, VS, LH, KLM-AF?, GF, AC?, NZ?, OZ, & (CX, EK B787-10 capability dependant).
Another factor is that only so many A350 & B787 will be produced each year and the order books are filling. Therefore if an airline needs aircraft quickly (for growth to fend off a competitor, etc) they may be forced to order both, or A330+A350, or A330+A350+B787 or A350+A330+B777, etc. Better to use a less efficient fleet/fleet combination than have your competitor encroach.
RICARIZA From Colombia, joined Apr 2005, 2356 posts, RR: 29 Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3200 times:
Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 12): Synergy is linked not only with Avianca but several other carriers in South America including Colombia%u2019s SAM, Brazil%u2019s Ocean Air and Ecuador%u2019s VIPSA."
SAM is basicaly AV as Summa said, and VIP is too small and Oceanair has been announced to become Avianca. All points that the fleet or the majority of the flee would go to Avianca and Oceanair....
Quoting Kaitak (Reply 21): Isn't Ocean Air a Brazilian airline; I'd be surprised if they changed their name to Avianca? Do they have a better name in Brazil?
Avianca do Brasil or Avianca Brasil has been around in the forums, I am not sure if it is a good source.
Now, Avianca states for: Airways of the American Continent (In Spanish: Aerovias del Continente Americano), so why not?
I miss ACES, I am proud of AVIANCA & I am loyal to AMERICAN
TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4114 posts, RR: 13 Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3171 times:
Quoting PW100 (Reply 6): Would you be so kind to explain to non-native-english speaker, what this actually means . . . ?
Thanks!
I think he means both types will fit nicely, 350-900 and the 787-800 in the same fleet.
wikipedia puts it as "dovetail is a woodworking joinery technique", where you see two pieces of wood fit together with a zigzag looking joint. We also have dovetail fittings on motion picture cameras.
Plairbus From Germany, joined Feb 2008, 311 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2351 times:
Personally i think that the 350 is going to be even more successful than the 787 think about that there is still 5 years before the 350 is starting to be ready and this is only the case if nothing special is happen...
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