TOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3320 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7804 times:
There has been no announced decision of which hubs will stay or go. to commit to closing a hub or two before the deal is complete would be suicidal.
Lets get hypothetical.
WARNING - THE FOLLOWING IS PURELY HYPOTHETICAL>>>>>>>>
Conventional wisdom leans towards CVG and MEM as consolidation targets. Lets say that DL and NW hold a press conference tomorrow, announcing a deal to merge the companies. At the press conference, they announce that MEM and CVG will not be part of the hub structure in the future. What does that do? It turns the entire community against the merger. It gives employees who will lose jobs or be forced to move a reason to oppose the merger. It gives local politicians a whipping boy. It gives local media a chance to warn against the merger, and how "bad" it will be for local communities to not have 100's of daily flights operated by a monopoly hub carrier.
Therefore, ANY talk of hub closures or job cuts will not happen until after the deal is complete. Of course it is going to happen, thats the point of the merger. If it happens.
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21636 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7781 times:
Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 1): Looks to me like that was just a statement by the reporter of the current hubs.
Yep, I cannot believe they will have hubs in DTW, JFK, CVG and MSP. I think CVG will be downgraded to focus (it's already half way there). It will no longer be connection airport, but instead DL/NW would be the "hometown airport." To me, this might actually benefit the people of the region, because prices will drop! Right now, flying out of CVG is expensive because of DL's weird hub pricing algorithms, but if it's an O&D city instead, it won't be that way.
I also wonder what happens with the west coast. Will the combined DL/NW look to hub LAX for pacific travel? Would it make sense for a combined NW/DL to look to create a T2/T3 operation (remodeling both, of course), and trade T5 in return? SLC would remain a regional hub, but what becomes of the northwest?
I think the only real givens are ATL and DTW as super hubs, and JFK and MSP as smaller hubs, and LGA and MCO as major focus cities like they are now.
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Flavio340 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7731 times:
The real question should be what will happen with the current focus cities such as: IND, BDL, MCO, DCA. I see MEM and CVG becoming regional flying hubs simple because both carriers face no major competition at either hub. NW is already having Compass take over some of the major flying at MEM, with the start of SAN. That mans that Compass flies coast to coast out of MEM. I think CVG would do well if Republic increased 175 flying out of there, it would make a nice option of not having to go through DTW. MEM would be a good alternative to ATL if they only would keep the international flights. Which I think will be the deciding factor for CVG and MEM staying hubs.
Meta From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7633 times:
Not sure if this has been discussed before or not, but what would happen to NW's AMS hub if DL and NW merge? Would it get kicked out by better US hubs, or would the merged airline feel it good enough to keep?
BAKJet From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 744 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7622 times:
Quoting Flavio340 (Reply 4): The real question should be what will happen with the current focus cities such as: IND, BDL, MCO, DCA
I think most, if not all, of them will stay. (You should add CMH to the list of focus cities)
Super80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1704 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7212 times:
Quoting Meta (Reply 5): Not sure if this has been discussed before or not, but what would happen to NW's AMS hub if DL and NW merge? Would it get kicked out by better US hubs, or would the merged airline feel it good enough to keep?
Hell yeah! They wouldn't drop that hub. AMS will have flights to the U.S. from: BOS, JFK, BDL, DTW, ATL, MSP, CVG, SEA, and many more if this happens. It would allow Delta Airlines connections to KLM and fly all over the world! I don't know if CDG or ORY would turn out to be DL/NW's next AMS or not, but AMS will definitely stay.
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Runway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2244 posts, RR: 34
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7098 times:
Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 13): Hell yeah! They wouldn't drop that hub. AMS will have flights to the U.S. from: BOS, JFK, BDL, DTW, ATL, MSP, CVG, SEA, and many more if this happens. It would allow Delta Airlines connections to KLM and fly all over the world! I don't know if CDG or ORY would turn out to be DL/NW's next AMS or not, but AMS will definitely stay.
It won't matter. DL currently feeds into AF whilst NW into KL. AF/KL are already one company, DL/NW will very shortly be one. NW has already been beefing up their presence in CDG and expanded their codeshare agreement with AF.
Remember that after the merger and Anti-trust immunity (which in all fairness if one passes the other one will) will mean that not only AF/DL or NW/KL are one airline over the transatlantic but that will also bring in AZ [which by the time all is done should be within the AF-KL group] and OK [not that they make any difference] into the mix. You're looking at an incredibly powerful proposition in itself for not only the airlines but the passengers who will gain in choice and convenience.
Hjulicher From Liechtenstein, joined Feb 2005, 905 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6929 times:
Quoting Runway23 (Reply 16): passengers who will gain in choice and convenience.
Yes, code-sharing and mergers give consumers flexibility and choice, but I will guarantee that because of less competition, the prices on TATL will undoubtedly go up, as DL/NW/AF/KL will have probably at least 40% of that market. I can't decide whether I'm a proponent of this merger. It has its benefits and losses.
It's said to see such an iconic carrier disappear as Northwest. Despite their recent troubles, I really wish that they would pursue a merger more similar to the AF/KL agreement which leaves the airlines with some identity.
SNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1524 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6628 times:
Quoting Hjulicher (Reply 17): It's said to see such an iconic carrier disappear as Northwest. Despite their recent troubles, I really wish that they would pursue a merger more similar to the AF/KL agreement which leaves the airlines with some identity.
I dont get what the hell everyone is talking about. We should really wait until the merger, if it happens, when it happens, before we make any conclusions.
Dont rely on galley gossip and sources close to the merger...
Bucky707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1029 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6179 times:
Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 2): ANY talk of hub closures or job cuts will not happen until after the deal is complete. Of course it is going to happen, thats the point of the merger. If it happens.
If DL/NW announce a soon, it will still be a long time before they are operating as one airline. Figure 6-8 months to get government approval, then another 12 months before they can operationally merge the airline. It could be up to two years before they are operating as a single carrier. Nothing much will happen in that time. No hubs will be cut, no airplanes will be parked.
KYAir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 362 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5147 times:
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 25): Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 23):
Latest that an internal source I heard it from is that no hubs would be closing.
In year 1. I would agree, as it would hurt the merger chances. But in the future, there are redundancies.
Agreed, and those redundancies will be eliminated. Otherwise, why merge? If you think jobs/hubs will not be reduced, you are sadly mistaken. The "synergies" often talked about with mergers is really just the cost savings realized by combining two companies and eliminating the overlap - be that back office or front line.
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SLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4171 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4775 times:
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 25): In year 1. I would agree, as it would hurt the merger chances. But in the future, there are redundancies.
More than likely. I fully expect to see MEM eliminated over the next 2-3 years, if not sooner, and CVG will likewise follow, but to a lesser extent. Keep in mind it wasn't until late last year that HP+US pulled the final de-hub of PIT. I think MEM and CVG will hang around, but will become less important in the connection game.
What is the future for SLC in a combined DL/NW?
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: NW's MSP hub is larger than DTW, in terms of passengers, destinations and mainline flights. Jeremy
: I hope they grow it. Would like to see both AMS as well as the CDG service from Salt Lake.
: Combined NW/DL Hubs Decided? Decided....? Has either company made any OFFICIAL announcement yet? Nope....
: I still believe in what I wrote, that DTW will expand because it will take up the slack from CVG and MEM (as will ATL).
: Correct on both counts. One of the articles that I read today dealing with the merger stated that the combined airline would, initially, maintain all
: Actually, you're wrong. There is another thread, and apparently DL and NW have gotten married today. On Valentine's day. How lovely.
: IMO I think the following will stay as or become hubs: DL-ATL- US & Latin American Gateway DL-JFK- Transatlantic Gateway DL-LAX- Transpacific Gateway
: Disagree with a lot of this. ATL will stay the preeminent hub and will only expand to Asia while keeping Europe and South America. JFK will stay basi
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: I respect your opinion, but I will offer mine in saying there is no way in HELL that LGA and BOS are going anywhere. DL is number one in BOS and a ve
: I think that DL might dismantle their ATL HQ if this happens. HA! Sorry, this thread has bogged down a bit so I thought I would toss that out there. I
: Well something has to fly the 772LR pilots home when those planes are scrapped. And thus why the politics have to be played very carefully. But think
: Wow, I had no Idea that was the case. I thought that DTW had by far most of the 747 work, A330-300 flights, and 757 TATL. But perhaps MSP has more of