MOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 5 Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2283 times:
The B6 thing would definitely be nice and help make it a viable alternative to the three majors, but just about every airport has "talks" with B6 each year. But ISP has a good chance.
Seem's like they have quite a NIMBY problem, though!
LONGisland89 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 634 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2159 times:
For a while I have felt that Allegiant or USA3000 could take advantage of ISP, but I guess the thought of competing with Southwest is too scary
JetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 4 Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2150 times:
Well I'd like to see B6 at ISP but I dont know about it with WN there because they would compete on every route so I don't know if it would be B6.
KcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3629 posts, RR: 7 Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1989 times:
Quoting A318 (Reply 4): Perhaps B6 could start ISP-RDU and PHX. There is definitely enough traffic to support it.
2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4 Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1946 times:
With a propper F.I.S. facility, ISP could try to woo an international airline to use it as an alternative to busy and expensive to operate JFK and EWR.
GECMD11 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 111 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1908 times:
i dont think ISP has the runway to handle any long haul intl. traffic maybe AC to Canada or AM to Mexico might work out......
KcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3629 posts, RR: 7 Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1859 times:
Quoting A318 (Reply 8): With about 140 people flying ISP-RDU daily, B6 would do great with an EMB-190 once or twice daily.
Thats an airfare battle that WN wins all day long, even with a stop in BWI. B6 would have much bigger fish to fry if they went to ISP. They're not too big on starting routes with just enough existing O&D for one flight.
With ISP, B6 would probably just fly to the Florida markets and call it a day.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21245 posts, RR: 19 Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1826 times:
Quoting LONGisland89 (Reply 2): For a while I have felt that Allegiant or USA3000 could take advantage of ISP,
G4 would have a tough time with ISP-Florida without overwater equipped aircraft.
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SXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2013 posts, RR: 19 Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1683 times:
What a/c does NK plan on sending to ISP - the A319? or A321? How many flights will there be there a day?
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Spinkid From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1001 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1583 times:
Skybus to Columbus or Greensboro would certainly be a good fit. SWF is nowhere near ISP.
ATCRick From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 770 posts, RR: 14 Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1565 times:
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 10): G4 would have a tough time with ISP-Florida without overwater equipped aircraft.
Who told you G4 doesn't have overwater equipped aircraft? They don't have many, but they try to keep the ones they do in Florida.
CLE757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1017 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1558 times:
ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6626 posts, RR: 19 Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1555 times:
I wonder why WN hasn't done more P2P out of ISP as they could? I"m sure they could support 1x daily service to a lot of their east coast stations.. hmmm..
ThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2274 posts, RR: 3 Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1439 times:
KcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3629 posts, RR: 7 Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1387 times:
Quoting ATCRick (Reply 16): Who told you G4 doesn't have overwater equipped aircraft? They don't have many, but they try to keep the ones they do in Florida.
Havent seen you around for a while Rick!
Even with a non over water aircraft, couldn't they still file a flightplan that keeps them over land? Its not like theyd get a straight shot to begin with.
Quoting A318 (Reply 17): Well, the fact that ISP is offering such cheap fees to any new airline might spark some interest in Skybus and their money-saving business plan.
Thats true, it could interest them some. They'd probably have to say they fly to East and West New York City though.
Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 19): I wonder why WN hasn't done more P2P out of ISP as they could? I"m sure they could support 1x daily service to a lot of their east coast stations.. hmmm..
I dont think WN is too big on shorter routes they can only fly 1x.
Atcrick From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 770 posts, RR: 14 Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1368 times:
Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 21): Havent seen you around for a while Rick!
Nice to hear from you Crwflyer. Yes, routing the aircraft over land is no problem. As a matter of fact, the overwater routes would probably only be filed when it would escape ATC flow control programs. Mainly because of the new Airspace Flow Control programs.
KcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3629 posts, RR: 7 Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1358 times:
Quoting Atcrick (Reply 22): Mainly because of the new Airspace Flow Control programs.
Are they doing anything to make approaches into the smaller airports around NYC a little more reasonable? I've seen some wild routings into ISP, SWF and HPN trying to keep planes out of the way of the main flows into the big 3.
ATCRick From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 770 posts, RR: 14 Reply 24, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1352 times:
Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 23): Are they doing anything to make approaches into the smaller airports around NYC a little more reasonable? I've seen some wild routings into ISP, SWF and HPN trying to keep planes out of the way of the main flows into the big 3.
Unfortunately no. When G4 was flying tp PSM there were occasional ATC delays up to 3 hours due to flow control even though G4 was the only carrier flying in there. But if you can avoid certain centers airspace by going over water, you may be spared.
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25 Cubsrule: Nobody; I should have been more clear (sorry). With only a subfleet of them, G4 can't just start routes that really need overwater hapharzardly, and
28 Cubsrule: It looks like WN almost always files BEADS EMJAY J174 ORF (from there it varies based on destination); it's darn close to, if not requiring, an overw
30 Art at ISP: US currently flies 3 r/t to PHL from ISP if I am not mistaken--and the schedule varies by day. It used to be as high as 7 trips a day, but they claim
31 WingnutMN: NW should go in there with 2 daily to MSP with Compass, 1 daily MEM with Compass and 1 maybe 2 daily to DTW with a CRJ. Great connections in DTW and M
32 Riddle274: Looks like it is close to that, they actually have Piedmont and Air Wisconsin both operating flights between ISP and PHL. Can anyone explain that to
33 MKE22: Not exactly true. They use them for charters sometimes. I flew a G4 MadDog from MKE to PUJ and back.
34 Val: Southwest cut 6 flights out of ISP last November because of lagging demand. City Officials are certainly getting creative to entice airlines to go the
35 ATCRick: During the Apple flying season they do use an overwater a/c for PUJ. During the off season, most are kept in florida for charters, overwater routes,
36 ATCRick: During the Apple flying season they do use an overwater a/c for PUJ. During the off season, most are kept in florida for charters, overwater routes,
37 KcrwFlyer: It happens because its not a big deal. The route is short enough that ISP is going to get whatever is convenient for US to schedule, be it a DH3, DH8
38 Tsnamm: with Florida, B6 would have to compete head on with WN as they already have most of Florida covered. With NK returning as well to FLL it seems the IS
39 AAJFKSJUBKLYN: AA used to have service out of ISP to ORD and BOS, both pulled over the past 4 years. AA abondoned ISP.
40 Cubsrule: Again, is it possible? Yes. Is it ideal? Certainly not. That's all I'm saying.
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