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Iraqi Airways To Place Major Boeing Order  
User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 15263 times:



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The Iraqi Transport Ministry will soon sign a contract with Boeing Co. worth $6 billion to buy 40 aircraft in what appears to be a step to facilitate increasing traffic to and from Iraq, the official al-Sabaah newspaper reported Thursday.

"The ministry will sign in the nearest future a contract with the U.S. Boeing Co. to purchase 40 aircraft of different sizes to be added to the Iraqi Airways fleet," the paper quoted deputy transport minister, Bankin Rikani, as saying.

The national carrier will receive the new planes in 2013 and 2014, he said.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/stor...4E5-2D9F-4528-8293-D4E819D7E11C%7D

Let´s see if the deal will go trough this time. Well, plent of time for the situation in Iraq to imrpove.


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User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1512 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 15201 times:

Well 40 aircraft... I'll say 20 737-700/800, 10 787's and maybe a few 777's

User currently offlineShankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1540 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 15207 times:

Nice to see the Iraqi Govt has a spend priority list for a sum such as $6bn:

Security - Nope
Sewage Treatment - Nope
Electricity - Nope
Housing - Nope
Airliners - Yes!

One suspects fleets of Mercedes Benz and bling 4x4's are also a top priority



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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3374 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 15189 times:

I wonder if this spells the end of the outstanding order that they have for the A310 (which obviously cannot be delivered anymore) or will there be an equivalent order placed with Airbus?

User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 15162 times:



Quoting Shankly (Reply 2):
Nice to see the Iraqi Govt has a spend priority list for a sum such as $6bn:

Security - Nope
Sewage Treatment - Nope
Electricity - Nope
Housing - Nope
Airliners - Yes!

One suspects fleets of Mercedes Benz and bling 4x4's are also a top priority

Whilst this is not a political forum I agree with you - IMO the government should have other priorities than investing 6 bn USD in planes which will only be delivered 5-6 years from now. That´s what I would call a useless capital commitment at this point. Building up the infrastrucutre is far more important for the country - and leasing planes might be a good idea as well.

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 3):
I wonder if this spells the end of the outstanding order that they have for the A310 (which obviously cannot be delivered anymore) or will there be an equivalent order placed with Airbus?

I would doubt it - even though I could imagine a small A330-200F order being an interesting consideration with the target market being the O&G business in Iraq.



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User currently offlinePa747sp From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 15134 times:



Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 3):
will there be an equivalent order placed with Airbus?

I would be very surprised to see an Airbus order. I can't help but think there was, at least to some extent, a political slant to this announcement



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User currently offlineOzair From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 843 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 15079 times:

I wonder if the consideration is given to fit any of the aircraft with a DIRCM?

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 1):
Well 40 aircraft... I'll say 20 737-700/800, 10 787's and maybe a few 777's

I don't think you'll see any 777s, it's regional traffic they're really interested in and the 777 will be too much of a leap this early.

It won't exactly be on an international tourists preferences for places to visit for a number of years.


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3374 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 15068 times:



Quoting Pa747sp (Reply 5):
I would be very surprised to see an Airbus order. I can't help but think there was, at least to some extent, a political slant to this announcement

True - I haven't seen many contracts in Iraq going to French companies! We'd better stop talking about this sort of thing or the topic will be deleted!


User currently offlinePs76 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 15057 times:

Hi,

Well it's not like they're going to order Airbus or Tupolev.  Smile  

But I hope they keep the livery (although maybe from a business perspective it's a bad idea!) and manage to do business. Would be good for Iraq to be known for something other than war and destruction.

P.

[Edited 2008-02-14 01:42:53]

User currently onlineNZA320 From New Zealand, joined May 2007, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks ago) and read 14813 times:



Quoting Shankly (Reply 2):
Nice to see the Iraqi Govt has a spend priority list for a sum such as $6bn:

I'm sure its heavily discounted. Air services is very important for a country and this should be a good thing for Iraq. But 40 planes, are they going to be able to fill them up? Even though they are coming in 5 years that's still being very optimistic about Iraq's future.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26848 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks ago) and read 14811 times:



Quoting Ps76 (Reply 8):
But I hope they keep the livery

Yeah I like the livery so hope they keep it. I wonder how secure all these AC would be in Baghdad at the moment ??


User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks ago) and read 14676 times:

Will soon? Well, we´ll see, are they going to park them in Amman as their main base?

User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks ago) and read 14677 times:

Some weeks ago , IA was on the verge to receive second hand A320s.Is it cancelled ?

User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks ago) and read 14664 times:

"Hey our people have no jobs and little to eat. Why don't we splash out on 40 aeroplanes?"


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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13035 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks ago) and read 14632 times:

I am quite sure the Iraq government had no say if they wanted to consider buying Airbus and the USA government told them they had to buy Boeings. It would be a nice 'payment' for the liberation of their country from Saddam  duck 
I would think there will be a need for Iraqi airlines to help in the 'rebuilding', of transportation in, out and around the country of materials, contract workers, citizens, UN and other diplomats and so on. We have seen how hostile the locals have been to US Military aircraft, DHL livery a/c and others so it would be much safer to have a real Iraqi airline. It would also boost the pride of the country, encourage unificaion and so on.


User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 14547 times:



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 14):
I am quite sure the Iraq government had no say if they wanted to consider buying Airbus and the USA government told them they had to buy Boeings.

Indeed, is there such a thing as the Iraqi Government?  Wink


User currently offlineDragon6172 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 14547 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 10):
I wonder how secure all these AC would be in Baghdad at the moment ??

One would guess the aircraft are not going to actually show up in Iraq for a while. Baghdad International is one of the main bases for US forces, so actually getting to the terminals would be a rather lengthy security process (one would think). So I would say that its securing the landing and take off corridors that may be the concern. We flew in and out of BIAP rather regularly in helicopters, and the Air Force had C-130s and C-17s in and out of there.
They will have to spend some money on some of the airport infrastructure as well, because as I recall the lights did not work, and some of the concrete was in bad shape.

I know there are a lot of pressing issues over there, but a good transportation network is needed. A secure one would be even better. A lot of the roads and highways from the borders are clogged with military convoys and check points, so getting some air travel capability will be good I think.



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User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 14352 times:

Quoting Ozair (Reply 6):
the 777 will be too much of a leap this early.

But your assuming that they are talking about passenger versions. I have to think that they will order some cargo aircraft. There is a cargo demand or DHL wouldn't risk flying in after their plane was almost shot down.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 10):
I wonder how secure all these AC would be in Baghdad at the moment ??

your assuming that they will be using Baghdad as the base. Erbil is pretty safe and OS will be starting service very soon (april maybe? I cannot find the press release now).

I found the thread about it!

looks like it started already Feb1!

http://www.airliners.net/discussions....ad.main/3720779/?threadid=3720779

-m



[Edited 2008-02-14 04:33:27]

[Edited 2008-02-14 04:34:56]

User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 14240 times:

As if there are no other problems in this country. Where are they intending to fly those aircrafts and who is going to book them?

As for the safety, Erbil should be in OS program from summer timetable on again and there is Mesopotamia Air flying VIE to Suleymania as well.


User currently offlineCyba From Cape Verde, joined Nov 2005, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 14190 times:



Quoting Pa747sp (Reply 5):
I can't help but think there was, at least to some extent, a political slant to this announcement

You think?


User currently offlineAgill From Sweden, joined Feb 2004, 1007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 14045 times:



Quoting OHLHD (Reply 18):
As if there are no other problems in this country. Where are they intending to fly those aircrafts and who is going to book them?

Maybe they think that things will get better since there are quite a few years to go before they get the planes. I mean things seem to have stabilized lately, so why not think ahead.


User currently offlineSh0rtybr0wn From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 528 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 13995 times:

This is a great idea to get Baghdad International Airport running with service to everywhere possible. Its good to order the planes now, and in 5 years when they start to arrive the situation in Iraq will be less tense.

I would think the A320 would be a better choice than the 737 because it can carry more cargo and Iraq is in need of imported everything. They should order a few 748-F and 77F too.

Quoting Ozair (Reply 6):
I don't think you'll see any 777s, it's regional traffic they're really interested in and the 777 will be too much of a leap this early.

"This early" will be 2013, and thats not too soon. 777 is perfect plane for Iraq to reach Asia and the Americas. But the A330 would be a good fit for European routes.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30565 posts, RR: 84
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 13757 times:
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Regardless of the politics behind the order, Iraq needs the ability to bring in people and product to help build that infrastructure. Depending on US and EU airlines to do that is not the best long-term policy, especially with the current (lack of) security situation.

Just make sure that the flight and cabin crew is half-Sunni and half-Shiite (alternating the senior positions between the two across the fleet) and that should make them a bit safer.  duck 


User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 13663 times:



Quoting Agill (Reply 20):
Maybe they think that things will get better since there are quite a few years to go before they get the planes. I mean things seem to have stabilized lately, so why not think ahead.

Fully agree with you but 6bn for 40 A/C is way to much. Start slow rebuilt the country and the airline. If it goes hand in hand Iraq could go back where it once was.  Smile


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4750 posts, RR: 43
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 13589 times:

I would hope for a few B 772LR freighters being ordered to tap the huge untapped growth in Iraq's reconstruction + future development.

I will not be surprised if many B 738Xs (with winglets) are ordered.


25 Post contains images Khobar : Meanwhile, in Baghdad, life goes on. People are going to the cinema, swimming pools, pet markets (yeah, it's so dangerous there that people have time
26 Post contains images DavidkunzVIE : Q: How did Airbus lose the Middle East? A: Europe didn't start a war there.
27 Manfredj : I think you both need to stop watching CNN and come to the realization that Iraq isn't the death bed it's made out to be. While I'd be the first to a
28 Isitsafenow : Where do you American kiddies think the 6 billion dollars is coming from? I'll give you a hint. Go look in the mirror. Your tax $$ and mine. That's on
29 OHLHD : ... and still there are serious problems all around the country. That is a little part of their long journey of living a normal life but to generalis
30 Codeshare : Why am I not surprised that the order is going to one company... :-| KS/codeshare
31 Post contains images Max999 : Watch out...this could be ammunition to those who argue that Boeing receives illegal government subsidies. Anyways, this order would never, ever go t
32 Post contains images Ps76 : Hi, I'm sure the tax dollars are pouring into Iraq but I also don't believe the US government is stupid and Bush & co. definitely play hardball. For e
33 AA757200 : I doubt seriously that the Iraqi government will actually pay for any of these aircraft. I am sure in the end that we (read as the US taxpayers) will
34 Isitsafenow : No they are not stupid. That's why 6 billion of the unpteen billion of US money is coming back via a sale to Boeing, an American company. Politcs in
35 ERAUgrad02 : I wonder if they'll buy some 747-8i's to replace the old 747's. I'm assuming if theyre all SP's then 777 will work but i'm not sure.
36 Glareskin : Doesn't exist. (although the F has similarities with LR version) Does it exist without winglets? Doesn't exist. Whow! I am amazed by the creativity i
37 JAL : Is the airline in any position to order new aircraft??
38 Post contains images Ps76 : Though I'm sure if unpteen is going in overall, 2xumpteen will be planned to come out. That's the kickback of this war (not just for the US but it's
39 Carls : I agree this is not a political forum. But since the thing have been already mixed up I will add some more mix. You must remember that USA invaded Ir
40 Manchesteruk : wouldnt be surprised if oil had anthing to do with it,all that oil im sure there must be some kind of agreement,aswell as boeing being an american bas
41 CARST : Perhaps you should stop thinking in that typical german narrow-minded way. Just because our goverment from 2003 (the worst one of the last 60 years)
42 Flighty : Iraq's economy is really very small now. It is an incredibly poor country now. Many of the customers who would have ridden Iraqi Airways have either m
43 DrExotica : Funny statement. Getting rid of a horrific despot and trying to establish democracy. Invasion. Hmmm. Curious perspective. Give it a few more years; t
44 Flighty : That's because you are afraid to be judged as wrong now. Anyway, we are off topic. Relating the destruction of a great nation to the A-B war is just
45 CARST : Simple answer: OIL. They have fu##in huge amounts of oil. And they will be one of the big players in 10 years. Just wait and see yourself... p.s. And
46 Chgoflyer : I am shit full of my fellow airline enthusist (mainly those in Europe) placing an anti U.S. spin this sort of thing. I would bet that this order is pa
47 Jetdude : Wow, where have you been. Can I assume you will vote for Mcain? He estimates a 100 year war and US occupation in Iraq. If only they had freedom. The
48 Xtoler : Chgoflyer, I don't really want to get too political on this either, but you know we all have our differences of opinion. IMO it makes sense for Iraqi
49 Ps76 : This sounds like someone foaming at the mouth to exploit the situation for his own personal profit! Iraq's reconstruction should not be thought of as
50 CARST : What you are talking about? The whole iraqi nation, all citizens will benefit of feature growth of the iraqi economy. That has nothing to to with exp
51 Xtoler : Sorry, dude, seems right for the pickin' to me. Not that anyone but the US would think that way, nor would BP back in the day with Iran. Okay, invade
52 Chgoflyer : Sorry for the typo there, I get a full head of steam and my spelling suffers. I think he is talking about the application of a 777 freighter not expl
53 Agill : It is more than 5 years before they get the planes, and if the progress continues and the situation stabilizes it most likely will be a great need fo
54 Shankly : CNN. Dear boy we watch the BBC over on this side of the pond Manfred, given US tourist bottled out of travelling to Europe because of the incidents i
55 Srbmod : Due to a few users wanting to make this a political thread (which is better suited for Non-Av), it is now being locked.
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