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NO AA To HKG?  
User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5083 posts, RR: 8
Posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6370 times:

Just curious, why doesn't AA fly to Hong Kong, it is after all the main hub of it's OneWorld member CX?


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User currently offlineAntonovman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6357 times:

Youve answered your own question, they pax are funnelled thru to Cathay or via BA then on to cathay

User currently offlineAirScoot From United States of America, joined May 2005, 688 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6335 times:

I would think it's a matter of aircraft resources. Why fly it yourself when you have a carrier like CX that flies into the US or offers connection points elsewhere that will perform the same service?

User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6288 times:

AA has flown proving flights from both ORD and DFW to HKG

User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11405 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6266 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 3):
AA has flown proving flights from both ORD and DFW to HKG

I could be wrong, but as far as I know, AA has never flown a proving mission DFW-HKG, only ORD-HKG.


User currently offlineAnetter123 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6217 times:



Quoting Commavia (Reply 4):
AA has never flown a proving mission DFW-HKG

Would AA's current T7's even have the range to fly this route from DFW?


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11405 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6176 times:



Quoting Anetter123 (Reply 5):
Would AA's current T7's even have the range to fly this route from DFW?

Yes, a 777-200IGW should be able to make DFW-HKG nonstop.


User currently offlineAAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3465 posts, RR: 47
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6103 times:

The current AA-APA pilot contract does not cover this long of a flight. AA tried to get an "exception" to the contract based upon the ORD-DEL exception, but APA was unwilling (APA wanted 2-3 Captains per flight). That was a couple of years ago and now they are in full contract negotiations....there won't be anything settled anytime soon.


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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6097 times:



Quoting Commavia (Reply 4):
I could be wrong, but as far as I know, AA has never flown a proving mission DFW-HKG, only ORD-HKG.

In 2001 the flight was ORD-HKG-DFW


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7529 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6015 times:

DL, AA, and US all don't serve Hong Kong, just Continental, Northwest, and United.


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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5952 times:

American did apply at one time to fly ORD-HKG sometime in the 90's. In their application they stated that they were going to lease some 744's from Canadian. Needless to say they didn't get the authority.

User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5657 times:



Quoting AirCop (Reply 10):
American did apply at one time to fly ORD-HKG sometime in the 90's. In their application they stated that they were going to lease some 744's from Canadian. Needless to say they didn't get the authority.

No that was ORD-NRT back in like 1995 or so.


User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1452 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5566 times:



Quoting AAR90 (Reply 7):
The current AA-APA pilot contract does not cover this long of a flight. AA tried to get an "exception" to the contract based upon the ORD-DEL exception, but APA was unwilling (APA wanted 2-3 Captains per flight). That was a couple of years ago and now they are in full contract negotiations....there won't be anything settled anytime soon.

Yep, thankfully for AA's competitors, their pilots were too greedy when they were the front runners for DFW-PEK. I wonder if that has stopped them from launching other ultra-long haul flights...



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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6439 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5508 times:



Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 12):
Yep, thankfully for AA's competitors, their pilots were too greedy when they were the front runners for DFW-PEK. I wonder if that has stopped them from launching other ultra-long haul flights...

I don't think they were the front runners for DFW-PEK in the China route awards. Why do you think that?


User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2343 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5480 times:

I thought the real reason was that HKG is under a separate bilateral than the rest of China.


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User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7181 posts, RR: 86
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5416 times:
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Quoting AAR90 (Reply 7):
The current AA-APA pilot contract does not cover this long of a flight.

This was is and has been the current problem facing AA for these types of routes.

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 12):
wonder if that has stopped them from launching other ultra-long haul flights...

Scuttled DFW-PEK among others.


User currently offlineAAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3465 posts, RR: 47
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5268 times:



Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 12):
Yep, thankfully for AA's competitors, their pilots were too greedy when they were the front runners for DFW-PEK.

It isn't "the pilots" but rather "the union." Unfortunately for AA pilots, the union hasn't been representing their (the pilots') interests very well since.... 1990.  crying 

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I wonder if that has stopped them from launching other ultra-long haul flights...

Yes.... a bunch. crying  Of couse, those in union "leadership" positions see things differently, but then they work under different "rules" --kinda like Congress, make rules for everyone then create the loopholes so those rules don't necessarily apply to yourself.



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User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1452 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5229 times:



Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 13):
I don't think they were the front runners for DFW-PEK in the China route awards.

That was the consensus among the pundits. Obviously things changed when they couldn't come to an agreement. AA attempted to change their application to fly DFW-ORD-PEK, but N/S PEK-DFW on the return. I can't recall, but I don't think their application "adjustment" was even accepted.



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User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7985 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5045 times:

Since AA doesn't fly to HKG, doesn't CX flights between the USA and Hong Kong have AA codeshare flight numbers due to the Oneworld alliance? I believe that QF flights between LAX/SFO and Australia have AA codeshare flight numbers for this reason.

User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1686 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5013 times:

This is just a perfect example of AA's lack of acceptable Asia flying. DFW-HKG and or DFW-PEK need to be the next new Asia flights for AA. If not, CX needs to give DFW a try.


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User currently offlineSFOHORIZON From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4908 times:

I really wish AA would fly to HKG, they're my favorite airline, although I hardly ever fly them anymore since I moved from Chicago to San Francisco.

That being said, I certainly have heard no HKG rumors lately regarding AA.

What I have heard is that CX is evaluating ORD. I think this has been going on for a long time, but CX wants to expand and ORD is a very logical place to do so.


User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4646 times:



Quoting AAR90 (Reply 16):
It isn't "the pilots" but rather "the union." Unfortunately for AA pilots, the union hasn't been representing their (the pilots') interests very well since.... 1990.

If the union is that bad, why dont they dump them and get another one?

ORD-HKG is a cash cow for UA, hence why at one stage before LAX-HKG was reintroduced they went double daily, three times a week.

Not sure why AA have not seriously looked at starting the route, I would have thought it would have been up the top of "must" flights, especially if they could code share on that route with CX.


User currently offlineWarren747sp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4602 times:

AA does not have enough T7s plus am sure the code sure with CX is lucrative enough for them not to utilise their own equipment.


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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6439 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4279 times:



Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 21):
If the union is that bad, why dont they dump them and get another one?

Because the pilots are happy with their union. They do not agree with AAR90.

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 17):
That was the consensus among the pundits. Obviously things changed when they couldn't come to an agreement. AA attempted to change their application to fly DFW-ORD-PEK, but N/S PEK-DFW on the return. I can't recall, but I don't think their application "adjustment" was even accepted.

By pundits, do you mean A. netters? Hardly a reliable source.


User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5083 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4056 times:

It would be logical for AA to launch a HKG route, from there they could transfer their connecting PAX to either CX or DrsgonAir.

I find it surprising that they are letting their competitors cash in on the route.



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25 ElmoTheHobo : They did both. To Hong Kong from O'Hare, back to Dallas. They had to do it this way because of the winds. With a full load of... feathers. DFW-HKG wo
26 Anetter123 : If AA would get authority or would start HKG service, would many of you speculate it would be from DFW or ORD? If from DFW, how long would this flight
27 FlyboyOz : I would love to see a polish aircraft in HKG! I wish i could see it in the Kai tak airport. What a bummer it's too late already
28 AirCop : DFW (32°53'49"N 97°02'17"W) HKG (22°18'32"N 113°54'53"E) 327° (NW) 8123 mi Its shorter than LAX-BKK ..whats that about 17hrs.
29 Super80DFW : Could AA's T7's fly the route nonstop, or would an ANC fuel stop be in order? If they did have to do a fuel stop, would it make the flight less desir
30 Albird87 : it is a shame that AAs Asia service is poor but with CX there having sometimes a way better product to fly and also codesharing, why would you choose
31 JAL : Couldn't AA fly to HKG from LAX?
32 RDUDDJI : Apparently, you weren't reading the news during the lobbying efforts. Has nothing to do with a.net.
33 Bobnwa : Yes I did read the news reports, and the "pundits" predictions were all over the board. In actuality none of them had the slightest idea, just like t
34 AA717driver : AA management admits they didn't have a competitive plan for the PEK competition. Playing hardball with the pilots was a way to "gracefully" bow out.
35 Viscount724 : USA-Hong Kong has had an Open Skies agreement since 1995 and as far as I know any U.S. or HKG-based carriers can operate between any U.S.points and H
36 LAXdude1023 : I dont know if DFW-PEK was the number one favored for that set of routes, but they did have a damn good chance of getting it until the Union Steped i
37 JAL : You maybe right on this point but HKG is not only a major hub for CX but it's one of the biggest market in the world. AA could beef up their presence
38 Super80DFW : It's true that AA shouldn't waste their own metal at HKG when one of their largest partners has a mega-hub there. AA would just route people like this
39 Bobnwa : Being a Captain vs a FO depends on one thing only, SENIORITY. I'm sure some FO are better than others just as there are some Captains better than oth
40 A380US : Ive actually been to HKG twice both times it was with AA. Both times was through NRT.
41 Legacyins : You flew to NRT on AA and connected with another airline. AA does not fly their own aircraft into HKG.
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