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Several AA A300 Goes Tech?  
User currently offlineJAM747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 550 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 10378 times:

A friend of mine who works at AA just told me that about 7 AA A300 have gone tech or broke down and have resulted in a few cancelled flights. Does anyone knows any details about this? Is it that these birds really went tech at the same time or are some of the flight cancelled because of other reasons such as weather?

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User currently offlineA300 American From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10321 times:

Excuse my ignorance, what does going "tech" mean? Thanks

User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5930 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10309 times:



Quoting JAM747 (Thread starter):
tech

broken down



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User currently offlineCaspritz78 From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 518 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10311 times:

Means they have techincal problems which prevented them from flying.

User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11432 posts, RR: 61
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10284 times:

No real news here. AA A300s go tech on a fairly regular basis - if you fly in or out of MIA or JFK on any given day, there's a pretty good chance you'll see at least a handful of A300s at each sitting over by the hangar getting work done. They have very poor dispatch reliability, but they carry immense amounts of cargo - which is why AA tolerates them.

User currently offlineMGASJO From Nicaragua, joined Feb 2005, 463 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9873 times:

From time to time airplanes go out of service due to several reasons. As of right now out the 34 A300's we have, 7 are out of service; some in JFK and some in TUL. Now, that does not mean they are broken, some maybe going through schedule checks.


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User currently offlineA300 American From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9875 times:

The buses at AA reminds me of my Jeep ZJ, it's a POS, but man is it useful. And like AMR, can't really afford (for the time being) a new SUV. Gotta love the bus, though!!

A300 American


User currently offlineSKY1 From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9839 times:

I wonder if AA will buy the 787-3.

Anyway I do believe AB6 is doing a very good job for AA. I'm persuaded about it.



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User currently offlineFleet Service From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 622 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9787 times:

I don't miss working the RepairBus,thing was always a gamble if it would leave the gate on schedule or go out of service.

Inplane systems never worked, always up there pushing 3,000lb LD-3's and pallets around.

The sooner they transition to their next life hauling boxes for UPS or FedEx the better.



Yes, I actually *do* work for an airline,how about you?
User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11432 posts, RR: 61
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9679 times:



Quoting SKY1 (Reply 7):
I wonder if AA will buy the 787-3.

I regard that as a matter of when, not if. AA will be flying 787s in due time, though still probably not for several years.


User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6832 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9572 times:

Just out of curiosity, how does the dispatch reliability of AA's A300's compare with NW's DC-9's?


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User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7191 posts, RR: 86
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9563 times:
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A lot of AA a/c are in heavy D check right now.

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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22726 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9320 times:



Quoting SEPilot (Reply 10):
Just out of curiosity, how does the dispatch reliability of AA's A300's compare with NW's DC-9's?

Just anecdotally, I think the AB6s are quite a bit worse. The -9s actually don't go tech all that much (not noticeably more than other NW narrowbody types).



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User currently offlinePlairbus From Germany, joined Feb 2008, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9252 times:

AA story with the A-300 is just love and hate togehter, the plane works very well for them specfic on the cargo routes, but there are from Airbus and thats like a mental problem for them. The A-300 is a very good plane and i think if 7 planes go tech on the same time perhaps the problem is in the mainteance base not with the plane.

User currently offlineA300AA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9171 times:

Theres one A 300 in BOG, cancelled and flight 915 MIA BOG, on A300 also cancelled.


They said that no t enough Pilots, was the reason for one cancellation.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7521 posts, RR: 28
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9157 times:

How many of them are SCHEDULED to be out of service right now i.e., during the slower season?

(Before we start jumping to conclusions on this)


As Cubsrule said, the NW DC-9's have the same dispatch reliability of their A319/A320's. It is actually better than their 757's.


User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3007 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9150 times:



Quoting FXramper (Reply 11):
A lot of AA a/c are in heavy D check right now.

January and February is a good time for that.



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User currently offlineCALPilot From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 998 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9139 times:

I flew the A300-B4 for a number of years at CO, I enjoyed the aircraft. But, if you have 3 Buses lined up and two are on jacks, do you know whats wrong?

Drum roll,,,,,


You ran out of jacks...


User currently offlineJAM747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 550 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9034 times:



Quoting A300AA (Reply 14):
Theres one A 300 in BOG, cancelled and flight 915 MIA BOG, on A300 also cancelled.


They said that no t enough Pilots, was the reason for one cancellation.

I was wondering about this as there was thread not long ago about a large number of AA pilots retiring at the same time.
Maybe the A300s are having a pilot shortage problem at AA ?


User currently offlineA380US From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8962 times:

these things break every day.


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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8899 times:

Its very suspect that the A300-600R is one of the most reliable planes on Earth, except for American's.

NS


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8862 times:



Quoting Gigneil (Reply 20):
Its very suspect that the A300-600R is one of the most reliable planes on Earth

AA has the largest fleet. If they routinely have problems, it is impossible for the plane to be "the most reliable" on earth because AA's problems can't be ignored.

And frankly, it just isn't one of the most reliable. It's just not a POS like some like to say. But AA has had problems since the beginning with them. First ever flight I had on an AA A300 in 92 was delayed, delayed, then postponed until the next day. We had 5 cats in the hold (moving to Florida) had to take them all home, return the next day and put them back downstairs. But they all got to EYW safe and sound. Just pretty pissed off...  Smile



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User currently offlineFleet Service From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 622 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8811 times:

The A300 has the highest per block hour maintenance cost of any aircraft in the fleet.


Yes, I actually *do* work for an airline,how about you?
User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8743 times:



Quoting Plairbus (Reply 13):
The A-300 is a very good plane and i think if 7 planes go tech on the same time perhaps the problem is in the mainteance base not with the plane.

Too true. Also those planes must be about 7,000 years old by now. Time for AA to get with it and get more modern and up-to-date Airbuses! Or if AA likes old aircraft maybe there's some 707's still knocking around or some VC10's!


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8716 times:



Quoting SKY1 (Reply 7):
I wonder if AA will buy the 787-3.

I think you can count on that.

Quoting CALPilot (Reply 17):
But, if you have 3 Buses lined up and two are on jacks, do you know whats wrong?

Drum roll,,,,,


You ran out of jacks...

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 20):
Its very suspect that the A300-600R is one of the most reliable planes on Earth, except for American's.

NS

It seems that UPS also has some trouble with them, too. The UPS A-300-600Fs are some of the last ones off the line.

Quoting Babybus (Reply 23):
Quoting Plairbus (Reply 13):
The A-300 is a very good plane and i think if 7 planes go tech on the same time perhaps the problem is in the mainteance base not with the plane.

Too true. Also those planes must be about 7,000 years old by now. Time for AA to get with it and get more modern and up-to-date Airbuses! Or if AA likes old aircraft maybe there's some 707's still knocking around or some VC10's!

No, those A-300-605Rs are coming up on 20 years old. If AA had 7000 year old airplanes still flying, they would be Boeings.

Maybe you are right, replace those troublesome A-300s with reliable B-707s.  bigthumbsup 

But, having 7 out of a fleet of 34 airplanes (of one type) OTS/AOG at the same time is unusual and unacceptable. That is over 20% of the (A-300) fleet. If AA had 20% of their MD-80 series, B-737-800s, or B-767-200ER/-300ERs AOG, they would be out of business as an airline.  hissyfit   hissyfit   hissyfit 


25 Jonathan-l : Don't forget the freighters. FedEx has the biggest fleet, then UPS.[Edited 2008-02-14 23:57:05]
26 Post contains images Babybus : Correct. Time to move on to more modern aircraft.
27 KC135TopBoom : Correct. IIRC LH actually has more A-300-600Rs than AA does.
28 Jonathan-l : The biggest fleets are the following: FedEx: 66 (including 24 P2F) UPS: 53 American: 34 JAL: 22 Thai: 19 Lufthansa: 14 Korean: 10
29 LHR777 : But it's perfectly acceptable if they're on scheduled 'C' or 'D' checks. I'd reckon that maybe 3 or 4 are on planned heavy maintenance. The others? W
30 Warren747sp : The A300 series is some of the most unreliable plane on the planet. Airlines can't wait to get rid of it fast enough to do cargo. Airbus practically b
31 UAL777UK : Not sure about that but having flown LH and AA's A300's its like comparing chalk and cheese, LH's fleet looks fresh and new. AA's are a joke and yes
32 Post contains images KC135TopBoom : That would put about 10% of the fleet in for scheduled heavy maintenance, perfectly acceptable. But the other 10% of the A-300 fleet AOG..... well. N
33 Jonathan-l : Can you even quote the reliability figures for any of the airlines that operate A300-600? UPS and FedEx are probably the two airlines in the world wi
34 Burkhard : There must be something wrong in the relation between the Busses and AA, not that we didn't know beforehand. Since the A306 work perfectly and reliabl
35 Carls : Try MIA-MAR, that is a really S..T aircraft and poor customer service (which is not new at AA). BTW they always are late due to a mechanical problems
36 PRAirbus : AA A300s are a maintenance nightmare and there are not enough pilots either...they should be replaced soon, there are types out of there (A330) that c
37 LTBEWR : AA, like all other USA based airliners cannot afford to buy new a/c to replace them and could do the same job economically even with the poor dispatch
38 Post contains links and images QQflyboy : Not for nothing, but there has been a lot of study on how the routes AA uses the busses on could affect their reliability. First off, AA operates thei
39 ReidYYZ : These two statements contradict each other. Sure, cargo (a box) will not bitch about meals, seats, IFE out of service, no leg room....etc. The people
40 Post contains images DAYflyer :
41 Post contains images Lightsaber : Really? I think the 788 is a given, but I wonder if the 783's economics is worth the purchase. The only point in favor for AA is a slightly smaller w
42 LHR777 : That is the funniest thing i've read all day. Thanks for the laughs!
43 Bennett123 : I have only flown the A300-600 twice, OA in 2002 and MS in 2006 but both seemed OK. The problem does not seem to be the A300, but the AA A300. Unless
44 CygnusChicago : Dispatch reliability statistics, please? Source? I would wager there is absolutely nothing wrong between the 'busses and AA. It's more a case of betw
45 Commavia : That is proprietary. But it is reality. Any AA mechanic in MIA or JFK could tell you: those things break down a lot. (QQ is right, however: the 763s
46 Viscount724 : Not correct. AA has more than twice as many as LH....34 to 14.
47 Post contains images AutoThrust : On the other side 2 mins google Flug Revue I know that LH is happy with the A300 dispatch reliablity. Could the problem be AA maintenance?
48 Scorpio : Source? Proof? If the A300 is so bad, how come that whenever A300 reliability comes up here on a.net, it is ALWAYS about AA? Never about, say, LH, or
49 Plairbus : i can not belive what some of you guys rode down here!!! The A-300 is an excellent aircraft, its a workhorse and the real problem here is the relashio
50 AirNZ : I would say that both of the above comments have a great validity of truth. It is indeed "the reality simply is that the A300s that AA flies are unre
51 QQflyboy : FedEx is a cargo carrier. Their dispatch reliability is not publicly reported via the DOT, so there's no reason we'd here about it here, and there ar
52 Post contains images Swissy : Yep, as usual Agree, IF they are such a p... in the a.. for AA they would have left a long time ago, it appears they are just neglecting them more th
53 Scorpio : We used to have a member here who worked maintenace for FedEx (dc10guy). He was very clear, on more than a few occasions, that the A300 was the most
54 WAH64D : Source Please!!! Source Please!!! Source Please!!! I think you might just have something there.
55 Post contains images SKAirbus : This in no way is any reason for the aircraft having such a bad dispatch rate for AA... AA operate the AB6 on much longer sectors than LH... For Luft
56 JAM747 : I will try to find out about the 767s as I am curious too about the dispatch reliability between the 2 aircraft. I believe that AA has alot more 767s
57 QQflyboy :
58 Warren747sp : CO can't wait to get rid of them either when they had the A300B4. It was nicknamed the 360 because it would get pushed off and find out something isn'
59 Post contains images TrijetsRMissed : While neither aircraft are staples for reliability, the A300 to AA is like the MD-90 to DL. Both carriers have more tech problems with these types th
60 CrAAzy : I don't quite understand this logic since aircraft are exposed to far more extreme temperatures in flight than on any destination on the groud.
61 Post contains links PlaneInsomniac : "The A300 has served us well for many years, especially from a reliability perspective" said James R. Parker, senior vice president of air operations
62 KC135TopBoom : You can just forget about the A-330 as an AA A-300 replacement, those aircraft are in vastly different classes and ranges. AA will replace the A-300s
63 Scorpio : Let's see you provide a source that says Asian carriers are getting rid of them because they're 'unreliable'. They're getting rid of them for the sam
64 Post contains images PlaneHunter : Sure, that must be the reason why one of the most successful and profitable carrier on earth continues to operate a fleet of 14 aircraft mostly on sh
65 QQflyboy : When I mentioned "much colder temps" in my post, I was referring to the -40F temps at altitude. You don't have to believe it. I find it strange as we
66 ReidYYZ : Did this not happen to EA also? Not that it is a steadfast source of info, but according to Wikipedia, the A300's are on lease until 2012. That would
67 Revelation : Really? I thought a lot of AA's A300s flew Caribbean routes, which are in high demand at this time of year. Probably not: most frieghters spend many
68 Post contains images CygnusChicago : The convenient line, as always. The old line of "I can't tell you why, you just have to believe me". If you had real insight into the deal or reliabi
69 Commavia : I've never flown on a Tupolev before, which must mean they don't exist. Good logic.
70 Plairbus : Why 98% of the people here are talking about that the plane is just not good enough for AA ot that the A-300 has so much trouble all over the world, i
71 Cubsrule : It's interesting, though, as in addition to breaking more than other AB6s, AA's also break more than other AA aircraft. It seems like that indicates
72 Halls120 : While I can't speak to the MD-80, I fly AA frequently IAD-MIA and then on to South America. And when my MIA outbound is on an A300, I'd say that cons
73 Plairbus : AA should think about thsi strange relationshio with there A-300, not only because of there coustomers that fly every day with them, ist just bad repu
74 AirNZ : Excellent post, and with great validity regarding actual reality.
75 QQflyboy : This has been exactly my point all along (and well written, BTW). I know it's hard to imagine high humidity and -40F temps at altitude, between four
76 Breiz : Yeah, right. You may have noticed that these two organizations are working together to define the rules and certifications. Yeah, right. The revised
77 Cubsrule : It would be very interesting to see if someone has any idea about the dispatch reliability for JL or NH's long-haul 777s versus their short-haul bird
78 Post contains images WAH64D : A brilliant factual post that really brought to light, a peddling of blatant misinformation in this thread. Agenda exposed, well done sir. Funnily en
79 Post contains images MGASJO : We all love/hate the A300 in AA! Let's see, let's take one particular A300 today: A/C spent the night in SDQ, supposed to leave at 0745am bound for M
80 Post contains links and images TrijetsRMissed : Airbus gave EA four A300's for a no-cost trial run for evaluation. The rest is history. Airbus A300B1, B2/K, B4, -600/R, from 1972-1987. That's four
81 Breiz : QQflyboy, you mentioned last year, in yet another heated post about the AA A300s, that AA would start to withdraw them from service in 2008, the last
82 Post contains images QQflyboy : I was thinking again about this the other day when this thread came up. I haven't heard anything more about the retirement schedule for the A300. At
83 MGASJO : Good for you! But that wasnt as bad as 432-969-970 for today the 17th!
84 Jonathan-l : Acqusition costs are definitely very important since you're amortizing the investment on 1000 hours per year (sometimes less). But reliability is sti
85 Jonathan-l : All of FedEx A300s are A300-600 and A300-600R. None are A300B4, unless you refer to an A300-600 by its very official name, A300B4-600R. What we refer
86 Summa767 : Apart from isolated cancellations, and as had been mentioned not so long ago, AA has now made official its dropping of a third flight between MIA and
87 AADC10 : Does anyone have some kind of apples-to-apples reliability information? Is the A300 significantly less reliable than other 20 year old widebodies? How
88 A300AA : You are absolutely right. They have cancelled the morning flight 9 times this month. Yes loads are better than expected. Specially the morning flight
89 TrijetsRMissed : I doubt it. AA has a significantly larger 763ER fleet, which is also a lot younger. It is going to take time to replace them. Furthermore, I believe
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