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LAN Argentina Will Start COR-LIM And More Changes.  
User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 12
Posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4451 times:

Seeking new strategies to make more profitable its operations LAN Argentina will open Cordoba - Lima route from April 6 2008. LAN Argentina will open COR-LIM three times per week using an A320 (with LV-registration).

With its new route LAN Airlines offers more alternative of flights for interior of Argentina to the rest of region with two options for connect with the rest of flight: SCL and LIM increasing its Latin American Network.

Also we must consider that today LAN is studying how to make more profitable the operations of its subsidiary LAN Argentina increase the utilization of its aircrafts (actually 6 A320 and 2 B763)specially because the LAN Argentina planes has lower aircraft utilization compared to the rest of the LAN fleet.

By the way LAN has transferred again one B763 from LAN Argentina for maintenance and retrofit and to fly in LA/LP/XL routes. Now the ex LV-BFU has been registered as CC-CRV to increase the rest of LAN's routes inside the Americas.

And yesterday the LV-BFY returned to AEP with new interiors and configuration (168Y) as the same of its brother LV-BET.

Saludos,
RJ_Delta.

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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4407 times:

No wonder CM has a LIM-COR fare for USD329 + taxes
After CM added the - for PTY - unusual destinations MVD and COR, 1st TA opened LIM-MVD and now Lan Argentina is to start COR-LIM..



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User currently offlineEMB170 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 646 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4398 times:

Great to hear 4M expanding. Plus, with AR's labor and financial woes, it's got to be good for 4M's business! I was really impressed with 4M (and the LA brand) when I flew them in March. Keep up the great work!!!


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User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4384 times:



Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 1):
No wonder CM has a LIM-COR fare for USD329 + taxes
After CM added the - for PTY - unusual destinations MVD and COR, 1st TA opened LIM-MVD and now Lan Argentina is to start COR-LIM..

Is possible that this new route are consequences after the entrance of CM into COR market. Although LAN has not defined yet its schedule for its flight they could offer more options to travel for people inside Argentina offering to options to connect with the rest of LAN flights: SCL (for longhaul routes to Europe, North America and Oceania) and LIM to fly to other destinations within Americas.


User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2992 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4362 times:

Will this flight be timed to connect to the LIM-MIA/JFK/LAX flights? This would be a more direct routing than backtracking through EZE or SCL.


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User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4344 times:



Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 4):
Will this flight be timed to connect to the LIM-MIA/JFK/LAX flights? This would be a more direct routing than backtracking through EZE or SCL

Is strong possibility, leaving from COR late in the afternoon for arrive to LIM closer to midnight and connect with the rest of LAN flights, returning after midnight to arrive early morning to COR and then the plane could be used in a domestic flight COR-AEP.


User currently offlineAtnight From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 606 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4296 times:

Interesting news.... one question, how many of the B767s have being retrofitted with the new interior and how many are left with the 2 older interiors? Thanks RJ_Delta!


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User currently offlineSKY1 From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4283 times:

Is LAN already an alternative for domestic flights within Argentina?


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User currently offlinePU752 From Uruguay, joined Mar 2005, 584 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4224 times:



Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 1):
After CM added the - for PTY - unusual destinations MVD and COR, 1st TA opened LIM-MVD and now Lan Argentina is to start COR-LIM..

fares from MVD to PTY as final destination are around 1000usd, incredible but its been at this price for months now....Im not sure but what do you mean by unusual destionations? AFAIK most CM routes are unusual since theres barely no O&D between most of their network and PTY.... and COR-LIM its different market than MVD-LIM.


User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4213 times:



Quoting Atnight (Reply 6):
Interesting news.... one question, how many of the B767s have being retrofitted with the new interior and how many are left with the 2 older interiors? Thanks RJ_Delta!


At February 22 19 Boeing 767-300ER has the new interior Premium Business and new Economy Class. Only the CC-CDP, CC-CRG and CC-CRH has older interiors. The CC-CRV (ex LV-BFU) is now in hangar nº1 of LAN Maintenance Base here in SCL for retrofit and Check.

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 7):
Is LAN already an alternative for domestic flights within Argentina?

Yes, specially to avoid the regulated fares and increase its profits.


User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4182 times:



Quoting PU752 (Reply 8):
what do you mean by unusual destionations?

Maybe 2travel2know refers as unusual destination to the small markets in the continent.

Saludos!


User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4146 times:



Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 10):
Maybe 2travel2know refers as unusual destination to the small markets in the continent.

That and the fact that the O/D PTY traffic in all CM routes except MIA, KIN, PAP tend to be between medium to very low.
When flying from MVD or COR, CM Flight attendants still have to ask more than one time to the passengers who say they're to disembark in PTY and need Panama immigration and customs documents.

CM tried MVD and COR and has proven the PTY route works, so the questions are:
After COR gets 1-2 more frequencies, would ROS be ready for CM (or CM for ROS)? and
For the Argentine market, would it be better to fly PTY-SLA/TUC instead of PTY-ROS?



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22726 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4131 times:



Quoting RJ_Delta (Thread starter):
LAN Argentina will open COR-LIM three times per week using an A320 (with LV-registration).

Would it be possible for LP to run the route (with a CC- registered aircraft)? Or would that create a regulatory problem?



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User currently offlinePU752 From Uruguay, joined Mar 2005, 584 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4126 times:



Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 11):
When flying from MVD or COR, CM Flight attendants still have to ask more than one time to the passengers who say they're to disembark in PTY and need Panama immigration and customs documents.

Same with GIG,GRU,EZE,SCL,LIM,UIO,GYE,BAQ,CTG,MAO and others..


User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4094 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 12):
Would it be possible for LP to run the route (with a CC- registered aircraft)? Or would that create a regulatory problem?

Would create a regulatory problem if it is a LAN Argentina flight but operate by LAN Peru with a CC-registered aircraft. However LAN Peru can request the permission to fly to COR, but remember that LAN wants to increase the utilization of LAN Argentina planes to make more profitable the operations.


User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3146 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4083 times:



Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 14):

Would create a regulatory problem if it is a LAN Argentina flight but operate by LAN Peru with a CC-registered aircraft. However LAN Peru can request the permission to fly to COR, but remember that LAN wants to increase the utilization of LAN Argentina planes to make more profitable the operations.

It's a great move by 4M. Showing AR something they don't have - vision for a country that exists outside General Paz.



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User currently offlineTBCITDG From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 921 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4074 times:

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Definately true MD!!

COR passengers will no longer have to go via AEP and EZE to get to international destinations!

LA is almost using EK methods to deter passengers away. They go via the secondary markets available to them. A perfect example is Mendoza!


User currently offlineUSADreamliner From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3964 times:

Quoting TBCITDG (Reply 16):
COR passengers will no longer have to go via AEP and EZE to get to international destinations!

Pluna will start COR too, connecting to MAD.

[Edited 2008-02-15 05:58:25]

User currently offlinePU752 From Uruguay, joined Mar 2005, 584 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3910 times:

Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 17):
Pluna will start COR too, connecting to MAD.

They already have, the flight its been operating since December.... and yes, COR flight allows connection with PU flight to MAD and GRU.

[Edited 2008-02-15 08:10:58]

User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3908 times:



Quoting TBCITDG (Reply 16):
They go via the secondary markets available to them. A perfect example is Mendoza!

Yes at the same that Córdoba, Rosario, Bariloche and Ushuaia.


User currently onlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3870 times:
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Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 15):
It's a great move by 4M. Showing AR something they don't have - vision for a country that exists outside General Paz.

Which is really a very nice and smart move. Day after day foreign airlines are showing to Brazil and Argentina how they are not smart while developing markets.
TP in Brazil, now LA group, CM in some markets of South America, they are showing how markets can be developed.

Quoting TBCITDG (Reply 16):
COR passengers will no longer have to go via AEP and EZE to get to international destinations!

South America is changing ! COR, CNF, BSB... secondary cities which in fact has a market and size for international flights, are finally become serviced.

Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 19):
Yes at the same that Córdoba, Rosario, Bariloche and Ushuaia.

Which probably will be a matter of time after the first successful approach.

Felipe



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User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3818 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 20):
South America is changing ! COR, CNF, BSB... secondary cities which in fact has a market and size for international flights, are finally become serviced.

Yes is a combination of new technologies more economics and efficients, the develop of new alternatives of business has brought the possibility to offers lower fares. Also in general terms most of Latin American countries have a better economic situation compared with the past.


User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3816 times:



Quoting TBCITDG (Reply 16):
COR passengers will no longer have to go via AEP and EZE to get to international destinations!

COR passengers already don't have to go via AEP/EZE to get to international destinations. They already got LA and CM flying to COR.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 20):
South America is changing ! COR, CNF, BSB... secondary cities which in fact has a market and size for international flights, are finally become serviced.

Very true, but one should notice that the Latinamerican airline with more at risk to serve those is CM. Just compare how much CM has to fly its planes in order to serve COR compared to Lan Chile/Argentina and PU.
COR (31°19'25"S 64°12'29"W) SCL (33°23'35"S 70°47'09"W) 247° (W) 356 nm
COR (31°19'25"S 64°12'29"W) LIM (12°01'19"S 77°06'52"W) 325° (NW) 1358 nm
COR (31°19'25"S 64°12'29"W) MVD (34°50'18"S 56°01'51"W) 119° (SE) 463 nm
COR (31°19'25"S 64°12'29"W) PTY (09°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) 337° (N) 2567 nm
(From Great Circle Mapper)



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User currently offlinePU752 From Uruguay, joined Mar 2005, 584 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3808 times:



Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 22):
COR passengers already don't have to go via AEP/EZE to get to international destinations. They already got LA and CM flying to COR.

G3, PU, PZ already operate in COR.


User currently onlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3719 times:
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Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 22):
Very true, but one should notice that the Latinamerican airline with more at risk to serve those is CM. Just compare how much CM has to fly its planes in order to serve COR compared to Lan Chile/Argentina and PU.

Yes, you're true, but i just tried to pointed out that some airlines are looking to serve secondary city's. The main reason is that many people in this forum use to say there is no good yields on places outside markets like Bs Aires and S.Paulo.
And seems that airlines are now looking for those destinations with other "eyes" and their results are just amazing. FOR is the best example, BSB is another one, and now CNF and COR.

Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
25 SJOtoLIR : Hello, all ! . CM PTY-COR has certainly discovered an untapped market there, offering services from a place out of their neighboring countries. I wond
26 Post contains images EZEIZA : Cubana also passes through COR, or am I really mistaken?? btw, Will 4M ever start EZE-MAD? With AR on the edge, they should really look into the poss
27 2travel2know : Yes CU does COR, but as charters?
28 PHKLM : AFAIK, yes. I tried to book that flight once at the Cubana website (for the sake of trying to book it) but it did not work. The fare is also not quot
29 PU752 : Of course, O&D traffic since TA started last year (OCT) is reaching 69%...quite above than expected.... flights are full and fares are very high.....
30 RJ_Delta : Yes, CU operates a weekly seasonal flight HAV-ROS-COR. Actually is difficult to say an estimate for a new route: LAN is reducing its growth plans for
31 USADreamliner : don't you think going via GRU is more convenient?
32 LipeGIG : No. There is no non-stop service to GRU. To go to AMS thru GRU you will need to fly COR-EZE, EZE-GRU, GRU-AMS. Better to fly COR-PTY / PTY-AMS or COR
33 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : LIM is serving both the O&D traffic as well as the sizeable traffic coming from connections on TA and LAN System. IMHO, LIM can exploit better its ge
34 2travel2know : Yes, for those SkyTeam miles..
35 RJ_Delta : Also from March 3 LAN Argentina will increase the operations of its fleet resuming one of its frequency in AEP-MDZ route dropped a couple of months ag
36 Hardiwv : If you are FB member, the most convenient way to fly AMS-COR is with AF via EZE and then connect to COR with AR. If you fly KLM via GRU you will need
37 PHKLM : Sorry I disagree, the most convenient way is now AMS-CDG-GRU-COR with AMS-GRU on AF and GRU-COR on G3. Leave AMS at 08h00 arrive COR 03h00 +1
38 Hardiwv : You are right, AF to GRU and then connect G3 to COR is indeed the most convenient way. But I was exploring the possibility of flying KL nonstop to GR
39 Post contains links 2travel2know : Of course if one is looking to earn SkyTeam miles compare: 2 segment path: 7130 mi AMS (52°18'31"N 04°45'50"E) CDG (49°00'35"N 02°32'52"E) 203°
40 LipeGIG : G3 flight to COR is a GIG-POA-COR service, you need to connect thru GIG or POA (change plane). So better to fly AMS-CDG-GIG-COR using AF daylight ser
41 Post contains images PHKLM : Felipe, you are right. I was throwing it into Amadeus and did not bother to look close enough to what it produced, but indeed the optimal routing is
42 Hardiwv : 100% correct. In case of GIG you can connect from AF to G3 and flights are conveniently timed. You arrived in GIG with AF (daylight) at 18h05 and G3
43 LipeGIG : No problem, and furthermore, AF has interline agreement with G3 which means also waiting on AF lounge and on International Area without the need to c
44 Hardiwv : Not to mention that KL operates its "horrible" MD-11 to PTY....I would not recommend anyone to fly this long route with KL MD-11.... This is very int
45 PHKLM : You are absolutely right Felipe. Just look at the position of GIG and GRU, you can serve all secondary (and even primary) markets in Argentina, Chile
46 Hardiwv : This because JJ does not care of KL connections to EZE. In TAM magazine KL is not even mentioned as a partner. Just look at how JJ perfectly times it
47 LipeGIG : Hardi, yes you can wait on the international area without clear immigration and collect bags if your bag has been tagged to the final destination, ev
48 Hardiwv : Thanks for this important clarification, Felipe. Now, in case of arriving in a different terminal in GRU I assume it is still possible to transit fro
49 LipeGIG : Yes, there is a conector between both terminals but i believe someone from the airline need to open a door to grant you acess to such conector. Felip
50 SJOtoLIR : AR flies AEP-COR Ground transfer between EZE and AEP shall be taken into account. . Let me quote another choice that allows the commonality into the
51 RJ_Delta : There is a good service to connect EZE and AEP with Manuel Tienda Leon company (buses and minivan) it takes 45 minutes aprox and cost 40 pesos. There
52 Hardiwv : This is a very ad hoc arrangement, Lipe. You touched on an interesting matter, the problem of easy transfer from T1 to T2 or vice-versa. In AMS they
53 LipeGIG : The problem of the conector is that it allows access to lounges as well as to... the exit ! This is why i believe it demands supervision. A minor chan
54 Hardiwv : But if GIG is to become a connecting airport they need to tackle this issue. Even if they introduce buses which run between the terminals. I remember
55 RJ_Delta : LAN Airlines has transferred the sixth Airbus A320 to LAN Argentina The aircraft is the CC-COG and will be registered as LV-BOI. The plane has the new
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