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Luton Exceeds 10 Million Passengers A Year!  
User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2985 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2089 times:

Over a 12 month rolling period (London) Luton Airport has today confirmed it has exceeded 10 million passengers a year for the first time in the airports long history...

Not bad going considering the airport only had about 1 million passengers a year passing through the terminal 15yr ago!

Also taking into account it is the "Cinderella" airport for the London area, and regularly gets knocked by people for its "Tin-minal" Building. Like all airports, it is far from perfect, but for the airlines that serve the airport it offers the facilities they want and need.

It also has several major advantages... I flew from there 2 weeks ago, and checked in online for my flight as had no hold baggage to check in. It took me four minutes from entering the terminal to being in the Departure Lounge, having passed security and this was at 5.30am when it is the airports rush hour. Also upon my return, about 11pm, which is again the airports busy time (as all the aircrafts based at the airport are returning for the day), it took me 15 mins from landing, passing through immigration and being on the bus to the car park.

They really seem to be getting their act together...

Congratualtion to Luton!

http://www.london-luton.co.uk/en/new...illion-pasengers'-in-the-air.html

[Edited 2008-02-14 15:06:56]

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User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2016 times:

I flew from there for the first time in October last year and I was very impressed by LTN. You're right about the Tin-minal and it was all a bit like a coach station rather than an international airport.

I was surprised at how friendly and accommodating the staff were. There was a great happy, holiday feeling about the place. Security wasn't the hostile, heavy-brow affair like LHR or LGW. LTN was a laugh.

Loved it and I'd fly from there any day.  thumbsup 


User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12418 posts, RR: 100
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2004 times:
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Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Over a 12 month rolling period (London) Luton Airport has today confirmed it has exceeded 10 million passengers a year for the first time in the airports long history...

Not bad going considering the airport only had about 1 million passengers a year passing through the terminal 15yr ago!

 wideeyed  Wow! I'm surprised. Well done.

Now when do they start the 2nd runway?  Wink  duck   flamed 

I'm impressed. But seriously, will they go forward with any plans to add another runway? Is there any master plan online? (Thanks in advance.)

Good to see such healthy growth.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1944 times:



Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 2):
Now when do they start the 2nd runway?

I'm impressed. But seriously, will they go forward with any plans to add another runway? Is there any master plan online? (Thanks in advance.)

They originally planned to add a second runway - but they decided to drop the idea last year.



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User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2985 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1873 times:

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 2):
I'm impressed. But seriously, will they go forward with any plans to add another runway? Is there any master plan online? (Thanks in advance.)

This is a long drawn out saga...

Basically the airport is owned by Luton Borough Council, but every aspect of the airport is managed and operated by Abertis a Spanish company which bought out the TBI group in about 2004. This company has a 15 year operating license, for the airport which runs from 1997 to 2012.

Abertis want to release the full potential of the airport, by either extending the current runway or realigning the runway to be about 10,000ft long and to open the airport up to larger aircrafts and directly compete with the likes of LHR and LGW. They also wanted to complete redevelop the airport to the south of the runway as all the airports development is currently to the north. The condition of Abertis carrying out this huge expansion is that they have the operating license extended for a minimum of 12 more years to take them to 2024, to ensure they see a return on their investment...

Luton Borough Council, are refusing to extend the Operating Licence until the licence comes up for renewal and wants it to go out to tender in the normal way.

With only four years remaining on the license, it is unlikely the airport is going to see any major investment in that time unless the local council and Abertis reach some agreement. With the current facility running close to capacity at peak times, growth at the airport is going to slow. We maybe lucky to see a full parallel taxiway, as this has been promised for some time.

Critisism has come from both sides saying the Council are being very narrow minded and other people are saying Abertis' plans are "Pie in the Sky".

[Edited 2008-02-15 04:18:12]

User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days ago) and read 1855 times:



Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 4):
We maybe lucky to see a full parallel taxiway, as this has been promised for some time.

It definately needs that parallel taxiway. I was surprised to see that aircraft have to completely turn around at the end of the runway. It would be a shame to over develop the airport as it has tons of character the way it is.


User currently offlineGCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1323 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days ago) and read 1828 times:

The other London problem (which is not just Luton's problem - but it is a contributor) is the lack of capacity for business jets.

With LTN now joining the other large airports in implementing slot restrictions at certain times (ever been in the 0800 queue for departure at LTN?) and Farnborough and Notholt reaching their artificial movement limits, the number of slots available for business jets is becoming quite tight.

However, it seems pretty unlikely that business jet movements will ever be a justification for another London area runway.



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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12418 posts, RR: 100
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1731 times:
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Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 4):

With only four years remaining on the license, it is unlikely the airport is going to see any major investment in that time unless the local council and Abertis reach some agreement. With the current facility running close to capacity at peak times, growth at the airport is going to slow. We maybe lucky to see a full parallel taxiway, as this has been promised for some time.

Thank you for the detailed perspective. I didn't even know there was a LTN plan to re-align the runway for larger aircraft ops. That makes sense.

Quoting Babybus (Reply 5):
It definately needs that parallel taxiway.

Looking at the airport on Google earth, I see what you're saying!  wideeyed 

Quoting GCT64 (Reply 6):
With LTN now joining the other large airports in implementing slot restrictions at certain times (ever been in the 0800 queue for departure at LTN?) and Farnborough and Notholt reaching their artificial movement limits, the number of slots available for business jets is becoming quite tight.

Good point. I agree that business jets on their own wouldn't push the case for a new runway. However, if it was combined with a business jet maintenance center at LTN, it just might.  spin 

From my perspective London has the greatest 'hunger' for a new runway. Except for NYC and Tokyo (which is getting two new converted from military airports), I cannot think of any city that would fill the seats as fast as London. While Ideally the new runway would be built at LHR quickly, I see no reason not to build it where it would be more welcome (ok, splitting hairs there...). If LTN were to 're-align' the main runway and build a ~2500m 2nd runway, it could service quite a bit of London demand. Unfortunately, London's airports are becoming the hubs that must be bypassed (due to lack of capacity). I'd rather see the city grab the business.

Thanks,
Neil



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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1722 times:



Quoting GCT64 (Reply 6):
and Farnborough and Notholt reaching their artificial movement limits, the number of slots available for business jets is becoming quite tight.

Which is why Farnborough are applying to raise their movement limits as they can handle much more than the current figure.

If LHR's 3rd runway comes along of course, then Northolt will be no more.

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 7):
From my perspective London has the greatest 'hunger' for a new runway

Oh definitely. The problem is currently the next runway is due to be a second one at STN where no one wants it. The real need is for a 3rd at LHR and a 2nd at LGW (the busiest dual and single runway airports in the world remember).

A second runway at LTN is now definitely a non-starter.



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User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2152 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1703 times:
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Is LTN attractive to non-UK airlines? I understand that the rush hours are the result of aircraft based there that flies out in the morning and returns 3-4 times during the day. In between there is apparently quite a few slots available...?

Is LTN a longer journey away from central London than STN?



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User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2985 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1654 times:



Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 9):
Is LTN attractive to non-UK airlines? I understand that the rush hours are the result of aircraft based there that flies out in the morning and returns 3-4 times during the day. In between there is apparently quite a few slots available...?

In terms of the facilites that Luton can offer to airlines, it is quite basic... There are no jetways, and lacks facilities that business and first class passengers may demand, I think the new pier that was built about 2 yrars ago is capable of having Jetways added if airlines demanded this.

Also Luton Airpot has carried a certain stigma over the past few decasdes as being a "Holiday" airport and premium traffic at the airport is lacking and this is what the legacy carriers demand... Even airport like Gatwick and Stansted struggle attracting premium traffic and is why Heathrow is always first choice for these airlines.

Luton's "bread and butter" business is low cost carriers and this is what they do well attracting, as the airport tends to be quieter than the other London airports and usually less prone to delays. Landing charges tend to be lower than the three main BAA airports and hence why they managed to attracted SkyEurope away from Stansted as their London hub. Turnaround times for the LCC's is another reason why they are attacted, as 20-25min turnarounds realistic.

The 7000ft runway, does also restrict the mrkets the airport can serve...

At busy times without the parallel taxiway, the runway can become congested as aircraft have to back track down the runway and turnaround. But I have noticed recently if runway 26 is use, it is becoming more and more common for aircraft to turn straight on to the runway and take off without the back track. This is only giving them about 5000ft of runway, I have seen this with easyJet, Wizzair and more commonly with Ryanair - even on their longer sectors to like Malta.

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 9):
Is LTN a longer journey away from central London than STN?

Luton is actually closer to London than Stansted (32 miles) and similar distance as Gatwick (26 miles) is to Central London.

But where the other London airports boast their railway stations, LTN's station is about 1.5 miles from the terminal and have to take the dedicated bus shuttle to the station. This is considered by many an extra inconvenience... Once at the station, there are about 8-10 trains an hour into London taking between 20-40mins.

The roads around the airport at present are a mess! The M1 motorway from London is currently being upgraded to 4 lanes and work is not due to end until 2009, at the same time they are also building a dual carrage way taking you from the motorway straight to the terminal complex. Once these are in place, the airport will be great to get to by car and bus. But right now at peak times it can be a nightmare!


User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2152 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1641 times:
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Gilesdavies: thanks a bunch, great info that is always nice to know  Smile


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User currently offlineSAAB900 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1621 times:



Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):

I've never had any problems with Luton apart from the long line at immigration at around 23.00! Which seems to be the opposite to you! It wasn't just a one off as I came back through at this time about 3 times and it was always a long Que! Normally I pass back through earlier in the evening around 18.30-19.30 with no problems & I use Luton at least a dozen times each year if not more! As for the "Tin-minal" yes its a bit small but it does its job! They even seem to be attracting new airlines with Sky Europe moving in from Stansted. Which is a lot easier for me as I use the Slovakian flights a lot to visit my fiancees parents. If I would have to depart from Stansted I would be looking at about another 30 minutes onto my journey from Yorkshire. When you think what Luton was like in the early days of Easyjet etc they really have come a long way!

Dave(SAAB900)


User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1568 times:

That paralell taxiway is a must, Im not aware of any major work required to do it? Of course, all the land to the south and west is farmers fields, so plenty of room for extending the runway & expansion but when I left, all the locals were strongly objecting to any expansion in this direction.

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 7):
However, if it was combined with a business jet maintenance center at LTN

I believe there is a Gulfstream facility. And theres Signature, what do they do Giles? When I left, there was quite a bit of gen/av too - Britannia Flying School, G-LAZL was a regular and so on - are all these single engine aircraft still around? If so, it may make sense to ban them and transfer to Elstree or Denham - though it was great for spotting to have a PA28 come in behind a 767.



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User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2985 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1563 times:

Hello YVRLTN

I know very little about the Business Jet operations at LTN, Harrods Aviation and SIgnature are however very big at the airport. Outside the Signature hangar has anything from 20-40 aircrafts parked up nose to tail and that does not take into account the other BJ operators!

You barely see any single engine aircrafts there these day, and the Britannia Flying School does not seem to be about either. I think these all transferred to Cranfield.


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