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French Working Law Against Ryanair/EasyJet/Cityjet  
User currently offlineFrenchPilot From France, joined Aug 2004, 84 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4336 times:

Hi everyone,

I was just wondering if anyone knows anything about the current case that is underway from Ryanair suing France over the decree that came out in 2006 that stated that employees based in France needed to have a French contract instead of Irish or English contract? I know that the Easyjet cabin crew based out of Paris have french contract since december 2007, but what about Ryanair and Cityjet, wich are both Irish? I have heard that the fact that they have an irish AOC obliges them to have Irish contract? Apparently Cityjet is trying to get rid of its paris base because of that decree?
Any news or interesting facts about this very interesting chapter of aviation in france??

http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/news....r=07&month=oct&story=gen-en-101007

http://www.france-info.com/spip.php?...ticle53138&theme=81&sous_theme=184 (french only)


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User currently offlineFrenchPilot From France, joined Aug 2004, 84 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4072 times:

And anyone had heard how Cityjet is trying to move their flight attendants and pilots to the UK or Ireland not to pay for the french contracts?? I've heard a lot of rumors of lots of turmoil in the company, anyone can comment?


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User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1837 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3896 times:

it's true (has been announced in several newspapers). But I heard that AF is may be moving back as it is clearly a scandal and it can be pretty bad for its image in France. But I don't know if these rumors are founded.

User currently offlineMcr From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3868 times:
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I'm flying LCY-ORY-LCY tomorrow with AF/Cityjet... if they aren't too busy I'll ask the crew if they can comment!

User currently offlineEI320 From Ireland, joined Dec 2007, 1436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3858 times:

It's hard to believe that Cityjet would to get rid of it's CDG base, since most of their routes are to/from CDG and that their main objective is to feed passengers onto AF's CDG network. It would be much more complicated to base crews at individual airports like SNN, BHX etc..

User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13985 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3668 times:

A few years ago some FR F/A's based in Charleroix sued FR for unfair dismissal and won in the Belgian labour court, the Belgian court stated that FR's labour laws would be illegal in Belgium (especially since Belgium limits probation periods to 6 months instead of the one year FR demands) and that for Belgium based crew Belgium labour law applies.
Also, I have heard that an Italian court of law decided that FR had to talk to the Italian unions as per Italian law.

Jan


User currently offlineFrenchPilot From France, joined Aug 2004, 84 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3619 times:

Cityjet is not closing their CDG base apparently, but they want to base the crews as far from France as possible to avoid having to give french contracts.
I invite you guys to read one of the letter that Cityjet apparently sent to their employees on nov 9th (other options are available apparently as to stay in france with irish contracts but paying french social charges, wich is still illegal)

http://www.ulcgtroissy.fr/IMG/pdf/City-2.pdf

From what I read online the employees are put under tremendous pressure from the management to give address of residency outside of france, wich is again totaly illegal.

My question is why does a company with Air France written all over it is trying to hard to avoid the french laws, while Easyjet decided to obey by them?

Does anyone know the laws of Irish Aviation?



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User currently offlineVarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1594 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3542 times:

I think all this is very "progressive"

since we're in the EU why don't we have Bulgarian contracts while working in France or Germany

would be cool to receive 300 euros per month, with 100 euros as a pension from 65 y.o, and a maximum health benefit of 50 euros per month of spending allowed

can't wait for it



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User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 37
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3325 times:

On the subject of Cityjet, I have a query:

I'm trying to book online a BIQ-ORY-LCY one-way flight in March, with the last leg operated by Cityjet. However, AF's (French) site systematically replies:

Nous ne pouvons répondre en ligne à votre demande. Veuillez modifier vos dates de voyage.

Is this because of the Cityjet flight? If so, is this something new (because I don't recall having the same problem in 2006)?

Merci and excuse my ignorance!

Saludos,

ZXV



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User currently offlineVarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1594 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3287 times:

Hola ZXV

maybe amadeus understands you want to fly directly from ORY to LCY which is not possible.
do you ask the system a BIQ-LCY or specifically a BIQ-ORY-LCY??

if you need absolutely to go thru ORY, buy a BIQ-ORY and then a CDG-LCY

my 2 cents



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User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 37
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3227 times:

Hola Varig MD-11,

Thanks for your input. On AF's website I tried selecting the combination of AF7483/5024 for 25MAR, since it is the only (and cheapest) option of going through Paris without changing airport. I suppose I could do a BIQ-ORY/CDG-LHR (since all BIQ-CDG flights have been lifted), but if the extra hassle can be avoided, that would be great. Why would AF present such an option if at the next step it says otherwise?

Saludos,

ZXV



How do you say "12 months" in Estonian?
User currently offlineVarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1594 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3204 times:

I am lost

I tried to check your options, now it gives me systematically BIQ-ORY-SXB(!!!)-LCY
and indeed, impossible to book an ORY-CDG!!!!
this is really stupid: what if you need to fly from BIQ to anywhere with a connection at CDG??

obvious solution is to buy a BIQ-ORY and then a ticket to LCY from CDG
I am afraid you will have to endure a nice RER B transit from ORY to CDG in that case.....



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User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 37
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3177 times:

That's strange...did you try www.airfrance.fr ? The AF7483/5024 option is the 2nd displayed in the list, with a neat connection.

I think AF switched it's 2 CDG-BIQ flights to ORY when EasyJet announced that it was start ORY-BIQ 2 x daily from 07FEB, but in the event, it looks like EasyJet is operating the route from CDG instead and is thus the only carrier to do so. Since it's topical, anyone know why EasyJet changed?

Quoting Varig md-11 (Reply 11):
this is really stupid: what if you need to fly from BIQ to anywhere with a connection at CDG??

My thoughts exactly. All very well with the Navettes, but the CDG flights were necessary for the connections (and higher yielding I think).

Saludos,

ZXV



How do you say "12 months" in Estonian?
User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1837 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3140 times:



Quoting Varig md-11 (Reply 9):
maybe amadeus understands you want to fly directly from ORY to LCY which is not possible.

Dear Varig md-11, what are you talking about  Wink ? ORY-LCY is served by 6 or 7 daily flights by cityjet on behalf of AF. There's only one daily CDG-LCY

Quoting LVZXV (Reply 8):
I'm trying to book online a BIQ-ORY-LCY one-way flight in March, with the last leg operated by Cityjet. However, AF's (French) site systematically replies:

Nous ne pouvons répondre en ligne à votre demande. Veuillez modifier vos dates de voyage.

Is this because of the Cityjet flight? If so, is this something new (because I don't recall having the same problem in 2006)?

I just tried to do it for 26/02 and it works well on AF web site. May be your problem is due to the fact you requested a reduced Y fare and these fares are not sold on the ORY-LCY flights which are sold only at full Y fare (S booking class = tempo challenge) and C fare (some flights are eben entirely sold at C fare)


User currently offlineVarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1594 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3137 times:

si, I tried with www.airfrance.fr but I wonder now if the flight is not overbooked already
there's something wrong as it seems you can't book a seat on this one: they sell a connection thru SXB now....
or maybe a bug with amadeus, no lo se

Quoting LVZXV (Reply 12):
EasyJet is operating the route from CDG instead and is thus the only carrier to do so. Since it's topical, anyone know why EasyJet changed?

exactly!
Easyjet even abandoned CDG3 to move to CDG 2A
peculiar to see AF not serving CDG from BIQ and Easyjet serving it twice a day

I don't know the details, but Easyjet anounced the BIQ route was part of its new French base at CDG 2A
the other routes at ORY remains but it seems the new developments will be done at CDG 2A, which I find perfect since I hate ORY south and the RER+Val to go there



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