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User currently offlineDennys From France, joined May 2001, 902 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6917 times:

dear all of you- would you know whether this rumor is true- while KINGFISHER has not yet any traffic rights to fly the Statesq???

best regards

dennys

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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31440 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6910 times:
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I believe IT will reach their minimum five year operating period in August of this year and will therefore be able to start international services per Indian aviation regulations.

Prior to that date, they will wet-lease some of their long-haul planes and crews - including the A340-500 - to AI.


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12900 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6624 times:
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
I believe IT will reach their minimum five year operating period in August of this year and will therefore be able to start international services per Indian aviation regulations.

I think they can operate international routes now by virtue of their takeover of Air Deccan. Without inheriting DN's ability, they wouldn't be able to operate international routes before next year (unless the Indian Government changed the rules).

AFAIK, they haven't yet taken delivery of any long-haul aircraft, although they must be getting their first A330 and A345 very soon.



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User currently offlineMoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 4091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6591 times:



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 2):
I think they can operate international routes now by virtue of their takeover of Air Deccan.

I am almost certain I read something from an Indian official to that effect - Kingfisher can fly international under their Air Deccan acquisition.


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3403 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6480 times:



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 2):
AFAIK, they haven't yet taken delivery of any long-haul aircraft, although they must be getting their first A330 and A345 very soon.

Can't be long now for the first A345

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Kingf...irlines/Airbus-A340-541/1326449/M/

it's a stunner in the IT livery


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12900 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6462 times:
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Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 4):
it's a stunner in the IT livery

Frankly, I think any plane looks good in those colours!

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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6440 times:



Quoting Moo (Reply 3):
I am almost certain I read something from an Indian official to that effect - Kingfisher can fly international under their Air Deccan acquisition.

That is indeed correct.

Bangalore-San Fran is the dream route for the boss, but the reality is they'll most likely develop routes out of BOM and DEL first.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31440 posts, RR: 85
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5994 times:
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Then perhaps it is August when the AI wet-leases take effect and that is what I am remembering.

User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2972 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5921 times:



Quoting Cornish (Reply 6):
That is indeed correct.

Bangalore-San Fran is the dream route for the boss, but the reality is they'll most likely develop routes out of BOM and DEL first.

First route will be on the 332's BOM-LHR followed by BLR-LHR and then BLR-SFO, or so we hear!



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User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2296 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5857 times:

The A345 looks great in that colour scheme. Very handsome. Maybe some of the pundits and rumours will be true and it will fly to YVR some day.

User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5591 times:



Quoting Pnwtraveler (Reply 9):
The A345 looks great in that colour scheme. Very handsome. Maybe some of the pundits and rumours will be true and it will fly to YVR some day.

 checkmark  I agree!

I have no idea why IT would buy 345s, then wet lease them to AI, when AI has more efficient/capable 77Ls??? Does AI need the extra widebody lift that bad??



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User currently offlineMk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4674 times:



Quoting Cricket (Reply 8):
First route will be on the 332's BOM-LHR

Now won't there be overcapacity on this route if IT joins in?? Already there are 6 daily flights to LHR from BOM and sometimes the BOM-ORD flight flies via LHR as well (3 or 4 times a week). Can they fill a 7th or 8th plane to LHR from BOM??? Even DEL-LHR has 5 to 6 flights daily, if am not mistaken.

BLR-LHR and BLR-SFO sound the perfect 2 routes for them to start.

if IT is smart, they should link ORD, IAD and LAX before 9W to compete with them, but knowing how the trend is, IT will fly to JFK or EWR or both (which is what most airlines do when allowed to fly internationally)....inspite of this region having overcapacity...

Lets see what happens...



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User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2185 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4559 times:



Quoting EA772LR (Reply 10):
I have no idea why IT would buy 345s, then wet lease them to AI, when AI has more efficient/capable 77Ls??? Does AI need the extra widebody lift that bad??

If i understand correctly they bought the 345 for themselves, but can't fly them yet. And seeing how the Indian airlines are booming, AI probably does not mind an extra frame on a temporary basis. Remember fleet non-commonality is not a real issue as it's wet lease and IT is taking care of the 345, not AI.



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User currently offlineOldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3607 posts, RR: 66
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4525 times:



Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 12):
AI probably does not mind an extra frame on a temporary basis. Remember fleet non-commonality is not a real issue as it's wet lease and IT is taking care of the 345, not AI.

And it's a great training opportunity for IT.



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User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1743 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2965 times:

IT supposedly will start JFK later this year, does anyone know from what city?


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User currently offlineJlk From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2559 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
I believe IT will reach their minimum five year operating period in August of this year and will therefore be able to start international services per Indian aviation regulations.

What about permission from the US DOT? They do not have it yet. Is DGCA permission to fly out a mandatory requirement before DOT takes up their case?


User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2374 times:

Has anyone heard where Air India plans to fly the A340-500 during the lease period? Could it possibly be put on one of the DEL-JFK or BOM-JFK nonstop flights or will it go to LHR or other European destinations?

Quoting Flyguy1 (Reply 14):
IT supposedly will start JFK later this year, does anyone know from what city?

I believe they were hoping to start a DEL-JFK nonstop flight.



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User currently offlinePHX Flyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 606 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2310 times:



Quoting Jlk (Reply 15):
What about permission from the US DOT? They do not have it yet. Is DGCA permission to fly out a mandatory requirement before DOT takes up their case?

Kingfisher applied for an exemption to engage in foreign air transportation with the US Department of Transportation in August of last year.
The application won't be processed until the airline is certified as an international carrier by its own government.
In any case, Kingfisher applied for the broadest possible blanket authority: from India and beyond to the US and beyond, nonstop and via intermediate points. The press recently mentioned potential stopover/connecting cities in Europe: they were Rome or Milan in Italy or Dusseldorf or Cologne in Germany, IIRC.


User currently offlineCyvr From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 13 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2201 times:

A bit off topic but I've heard rumors about a nonstop flight from YVR to Amritsar (because of the large Punjabi community in Vancouver). I think a YVR - DEL route is more realistic but who knows.

[Edited 2008-02-16 00:50:10]

User currently offlinePlobax From France, joined Jan 2008, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2177 times:



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 5):
Frankly, I think any plane looks good in those colours!

Some planes are later on transformed in beer cans, others start already as flying beer cans!


User currently offlineKLMD11L From New Zealand, joined Dec 2007, 123 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2109 times:

Any plans for IT to fly Down Under? Such service is guaranteed to succeed since AI & 9W have no plans to enter this market soon, I think the traffic volume between Australia and India can support more than the current QF one daily non-stop flight.


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User currently offlineParapente From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1664 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2056 times:

Something that puzzles me. My understanding is that the Emirates plan is to become a Global hub due to its strategic location. If (as it seems) Pakistan has choosen the 777-200lr to "leapfrog" this stop to the US and India has chosen the 340-500 to do the same - then where does that leave "x" 380's and 6 runways?

User currently offlineBoogyJay From France, joined May 2005, 490 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2011 times:



Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 12):
AI probably does not mind an extra frame on a temporary basis.

Exactly, AI really lacks aircraft. Apparently, the retrofit of the -much needed- cabin retrofits for the 5 remaining B744 are on hold due to a/c shortage... the 777s delivery pace is not enough. Only VT-EVA has been modified.


User currently offlineSM777 From India, joined Nov 2003, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1910 times:

All's well but IT will be hard-pressed to fill their seats given :

a. 3 airlines already flying nonstop to the US ie AI, DL and CO

b. 9W's already well-established ops to JFK EWR and YYZ, with SFO looming via SHA soon

c. An inferior aircraft in the 345 v/s 77LR and 77W in terms of pax comfort (wider body of the 777, more spacious etc) plus higher operating costs of the 345

But, VJM is a fighter and who knows he may offer "free Thai massage" to all F class pax, which will fill up the seats pretty quick!


User currently offlineJoeCattoli From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 570 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1651 times:



Quoting SM777 (Reply 23):
c. An inferior aircraft in the 345 v/s 77LR and 77W in terms of pax comfort (wider body of the 777, more spacious etc) plus higher operating costs of the 345

You're lucky to get me to answer this remark Big grin Others would like very much to flame you for this remark.
The A345 is by no means inferior in terms of pax comfort that depends on the configuration and noise (I have yet to find someone claiming EK A345 are inferior in comfort to their 777. The A345 is quite a bit more silent than 777s, has not "underpowered" engines and every economy passenger loves its 2-4-2 configuration (especially if compared with 3-3-3 or 3-4-3 on the 777). And the A345 is more gentle on touching ground as well for my small experience (I know it could depend even on different odds).
You're quite right on the operating costs though, that's why I have quite an hard time understanding what Kingfisher has up to its sleeve.

Ciao
Joe


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12900 posts, RR: 46
Reply 25, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1489 times:
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Quoting Parapente (Reply 21):
My understanding is that the Emirates plan is to become a Global hub due to its strategic location. If (as it seems) Pakistan has choosen the 777-200lr to "leapfrog" this stop to the US and India has chosen the 340-500 to do the same - then where does that leave "x" 380's and 6 runways?

The point is, from how many destinations can PK provide direct service to Pakistan? EK can connect a lot more pax from all over the World to Pakistan than PK can. The UK is a good example - how many cities does PK serve vs. how many does EK serve?



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