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User currently offlineBAGoldEx From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 311 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 10820 times:

I guess I'll start this again. The much discussed centerfield taxiway at Logan appears to finally be getting under way with JF White Construction of Framingham submitting the low bid of just under $33.5m.

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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1972 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 10813 times:

Good to see a brand new thread. The other one took forever to scroll to the bottom at 463 (464 when the moderators come to lock it) posts. A lot is going in in New England still. BOS is getting the new taxiway, PVD is getting the new transportation center, PWM is getting a new garage, PSM is being looked at for a future Skybus focus city, BED may lose scheduled airline service, and as for the others (MHT, BGR, BDL, BTV, RUT, HYA, EWB, ACK, MYY, etc.) the rest of you can fill us in as to what's going on.


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User currently offlinePWM2TXLHopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1302 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 10804 times:

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 1):
A lot is going in in New England still. BOS is getting the new taxiway, PVD is getting the new transportation center, PWM is getting a new garage


Oh, PWM is getting more then a new garage and gates with the expanded terminal. Everything started three of four years ago when they re-constructed the main runway. Lengthening it another 500 feet, upgrading the ILS system, and adding in-pavement centerline lighting. Supposedly, one of the next projects in line, along with the garage and terminal expansion is to construct a new GA/Corporate ramp with another FBO and some hangers. This is suppose to be located across the field from the main terminal. Located off to the left of RWY36 and short of 11/29. In 1999 Business Express had planned to build a maintenance facility at this area of the airport, but the plan fell through before construction began and AA bought them out shortly thereafter.

Over the next few years the air freight building adjacent to the main terminal is suppose to be torn down and replaced by a single facility to handle all air freight (with the exception of Fedex) and also hold a new airport facility for the U.S. Postal Service. The current USPS facility at PWM is fairly small, and located on the opposite end of the airport, on the far end of the GA ramp.

Also, the secondary runway 18-36 is due to be re-constructed shortly. It's only about 5,000 feet long, with no room to extend it. However,it's suppose to be resurfaced and have ILS capability installed. Previously, it's always been utilized for Visual approaches only.


View the short/longterm Master Plan for PWM here... Also, some nice photo overviews here

http://www.portlandjetport.org/documents/PortlandSumm.Brochure.pdf

http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/story.php?id=169023&ac=PHnws



Not as much happening at BGR these days in concerns to passenger growth. In fact, I believe their passenger numbers have decreased? The only flight I know of that they've gained is an Allegiant flight to SFB. I think it's either x7 or 5x per week on MD-83's. However, aside from scheduled activity, BGR has been seeing it's share heavy equipment coming through regularly. World brings MD-11's and ex-NW DC-10-30's through here almost daily from U.S. military bases to the middle east via SNN and Frankfurt-Hahn. ATA L-1011's, Omni DC-10's, North American 757's and occasional Miami Air 737-800's to KEF, all operating military charters, are also regulars up there. Along with these passenger flights, I don't think there's been a day since November that BGR hasn't seen AN-124's headed from CHS to the middle east transit through here. There's been at least one per day, and sometimes two (like today) for months now! I got curious and did a little research to see what was being lifted, and it turns out the U.S. Air Force signed a contract in October for two Russian Antonov operators to fly heavy armored vehicles between the U.S. and Iraq with AN-124's. This is suppose to last several more months and most of them come thru BGR, with a few stopping or diverting to Halifax.

John Travolta's 707 N707JT has visited BGR a couple of times over the last couple months as well. His (G-III or IV?) came up here from Greystone, FL a couple weeks ago too. He has a home on the ocean fairly close to BGR, and the neighbors have complained in the past when he's buzzed the property in his 707 to impress his then young son!

[Edited 2008-02-14 21:56:51]

[Edited 2008-02-14 22:20:31]

User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12060 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 10789 times:



Quoting BAGoldEx (Thread starter):
The much discussed centerfield taxiway at Logan appears to finally be getting under way with JF White Construction of Framingham submitting the low bid of just under $33.5m.

That seems like a very high price for the scope of work needed for the centerfield taxiway at BOS. Here at DFW, the entire SE perimeter Twy (also called the end around taxiways), is more than 3 times the lenght of the BOS taxiway, includes moving some (landside) roads, intersections, and the Founders Plaza will only cost about $66M


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7871 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 10754 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 3):
That seems like a very high price for the scope of work needed for the centerfield taxiway at BOS. Here at DFW,

You wanna compare prices in Texas vs. Massachusetts? Let me ask you this, how much for a 2,000sqf home on 1/4 acre, 30 miles outside of Dallas? Here you'd pay minimum $350k. 'nuff said  Smile I suspect the compact nature of BOS also drives up costs. It's not like they have 5 runways to chose from while construction is going on in one corner of the airfield.
Here's the FAA study: http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff...h2_Operations_report_30May2006.pdf

On a different note, the issue of new non-stop international destinations from BOS has come up again. It appears that Massport is ready to give a rebate to airlines wanting to offer new non-stop destinations.
http://www.boston.com/business/artic...nding_fee_for_new_nonstop_flights/

On a tangential note, yesterday I read a comment by TAP's top executive, Mr. Fernando Pinto, saying that they still have some wiggle room with their A330 fleet and new "long haul" routes could be expected this year. Although he specificaly referenced Brazil and New York as 2 places that could see this additional service. I'm left hoping that the Massport rebates would be enough to entice them to come back to BOS.


User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 10719 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 3):
That seems like a very high price for the scope of work needed for the centerfield taxiway at BOS. Here at DFW, the entire SE perimeter Twy (also called the end around taxiways), is more than 3 times the lenght of the BOS taxiway, includes moving some (landside) roads, intersections, and the Founders Plaza will only cost about $66M

There are some person or persons in this thread that believe runway extension could cost $1 Billion!!! So 33.5 for a centerfield taxiway is pocket change.

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 4):
On a tangential note, yesterday I read a comment by TAP's top executive, Mr. Fernando Pinto, saying that they still have some wiggle room with their A330 fleet and new "long haul" routes could be expected this year. Although he specificaly referenced Brazil and New York as 2 places that could see this additional service. I'm left hoping that the Massport rebates would be enough to entice them to come back to BOS.

Could it be possible for TP to send some 319s across trhe pond. SATA already serves BOS-LIS on a seasonal basis and I am wondering if the market could sustain 330 service.


User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 10719 times:

Nice to see the New England thread make it to a 4th thread

User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4011 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 10718 times:

There’s a very interesting article in today’s Boston Globe noting how Massport will subsidize new international service. One way will be through landing-fee rebates; another will be through free use by airlines of Massport billboards to promote new routes and flights. Clearly, the message is that Massport will have to fight for new flights. The whole Hainan Airlines thing to China—trumpeted a couple years ago by Mayor Menino—may not even happen now. No other airlines seem to banging on the doors to come into Logan, either, preferring instead to focus (as they did years ago) on JFK.

So, with Massport and Logan getting a plan in place to fight for new international service (‘Open Skies’ or otherwise), MHT and PVD ought to recognize that their chances at landing new international service just got a whole lot slimmer. PVD obviously has the upper hand, with existing charters and the necessary infrastructure. Our new Director here at MHT—formerly of PVD—ought to be reading today’s article and recognizing that he can’t just sit in his rocking chair awaiting Ryanair 787s or A350s in 2010-2011 (or whenever). That service has a better chance now of going to Logan than to either of our regional airports.

[Edited 2008-02-15 06:53:22]

[Edited 2008-02-15 06:53:59]

User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 10701 times:



Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 7):
There’s a very interesting article in today’s Boston Globe noting how Massport will subsidize new international service. One way will be through landing-fee rebates; another will be through free use by airlines of Massport billboards to promote new routes and flights. Clearly, the message is that Massport will have to fight for new flights. The whole Hainan Airlines thing to China—trumpeted a couple years ago by Mayor Menino—may not even happen now. No other airlines seem to banging on the doors to come into Logan, either, preferring instead to focus (as they did years ago) on JFK.

So, with Massport and Logan getting a plan in place to fight for new international service (‘Open Skies’ or otherwise), MHT and PVD ought to recognize that their chances at landing new international service just got a whole lot slimmer. PVD obviously has the upper hand, with existing charters and the necessary infrastructure. Our new Director here at MHT—formerly of PVD—ought to be reading today’s article and recognizing that he can’t just sit in his rocking chair awaiting Ryanair 787s or A350s in 2010-2011 (or whenever). That service has a better chance now of going to Logan than to either of our regional airports.

With JFK being restricted and already have pretty much every major international airline in the world flying to either EWR and JFK and both airports being controlled, BOS is a decent option. Remember, BOS is # in the U.S. for O&D to Europe so BOS does offer a lot for potential new airlines. The only new service I think BOS really needs, aside from non-stop to Asia, would be MAN, BRU, MXP and perhaps ATH. BOS is what it is, an airport that relies on poassengers starting or ending their trips in BOS and for that purpose, BOS has a large amount of European service.

Like it or not, for those of you who hate when I say this, but we (Mass, RI, NH, ME, VT, CT) are a region and when BOS gets service to international destinations, the other cities benefits. Just like when ATL was campaigning for China service and how it would benefit the whole southeast, the same could be said up here. There are smaller cities in the south, Birmingham, Columbia for instance, that could support LCC European service and are roughly the same size as Manchester or Providence that lose out on service thanks to ATL.


User currently offlineN801NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 744 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 10692 times:

I did not this this question was worthy of its own thread so here goes: Did CO ever serve PWM with mainline equipment?

XJET currently handles CO and NW here. I wondered if it has always been express of did they do a DL/Comair type switcheroo on us.


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4630 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 10675 times:



Quoting N801NW (Reply 9):
Did CO ever serve PWM with mainline equipment?

I want to say the morning PWM-EWR flight used to be mainline back in the late 90's back when the rest of the flights were on ATRs



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User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 10671 times:



Quoting B752OS (Reply 6):
Nice to see the New England thread make it to a 4th thread

Indeed!

Quoting B752OS (Reply 5):
SATA already serves BOS-LIS on a seasonal basis and I am wondering if the market could sustain 330 service.

SATA operates almost entirely on O&D between New England and the Azores/Portugal. TP would be able to "tap" (pardon the pun) into the market for connections elsewhere in southern Europe and Africa. Also, as part of Star Alliance, would be able to get minimal feed through BOS on US (for sure US has better feed through BOS than EWR, TP's only US destination) and, to a lesser extent, UA, and AC from YUL and YYZ (two other important Portuguese centres in North America).

I think TP wouldn't have a problem filling an A330 a few times a week (maybe 5x weekly during the Summer, 3x weekly during the Winter). Also, with a good advertising blitz highlighting the sights of Lisbon (one of Europe's underrated cities) and the tourist areas like the Algarve, you could see a spike in American tourism to Portugal that could help fill seats.

LH423



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User currently offlineN801NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 744 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 10662 times:



Quoting N801NW (Reply 9):
I want to say the morning PWM-EWR flight used to be mainline back in the late 90's

Hmm. That sounds like what was the situation at MHT until about a year ago. EWR-MHT (PM) and MHT-EWR (AM) were 733's or 735's. It is all ERJ for the time being, just like PWM.


User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4011 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 10661 times:



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 10):
I want to say the morning PWM-EWR flight used to be mainline back in the late 90's back when the rest of the flights were on ATRs

I agree. That was the recipe for MHT as well: one mainliner in the early morning and ATRs the rest of the day. I cringe when I recall that we (MHT) had mainliner service to CLE as well!!! Talk about Those were the days!...


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7871 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 10622 times:



Quoting B752OS (Reply 5):
Could it be possible for TP to send some 319s across trhe pond. SATA already serves BOS-LIS on a seasonal basis and I am wondering if the market could sustain 330 service.

An A319, no way. They fly to EWR twice daily with A330 and EWR has virtually no *A feed. Ok, The tri-state area is huge but so is the competition. TP has finally learned the benefits of their LIS hub. More than 50% of all their traffic is connecting passengers.

Quoting LH423 (Reply 11):
I think TP wouldn't have a problem filling an A330 a few times a week

No doubt. There's virtually zero business connections between New England and Spain and IB seem to be doing OK in their first year. Don't underestimate the potential of connecting traffic too. More options and more competition always creates more demand.

Currently however, I see one big obstacle to TP ever coming back to BOS and that is a possible CO/UA merger, and CO joining *A. If that were to happen, TP would be better off beefing up their EWR routes and use CO as a feeder. If that falls through, then I think we'll see TP back in BOS sooner than later.


User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 10606 times:



Quoting Airbazar (Reply 14):
An A319, no way. They fly to EWR twice daily with A330 and EWR has virtually no *A feed. Ok, The tri-state area is huge but so is the competition. TP has finally learned the benefits of their LIS hub. More than 50% of all their traffic is connecting passengers.

I didn't realize TP had 2 x daily flights, are they operated by a 332 or 333? Another thread recently mentioned that CO is going to add a second daily EWR-LIS flight and does DL fly JFK-LIS? Why wouldn't a 319 work? UA sometimes sends a 319 on SFO-BOS and that has to be the same, if not slightly longer than LIS-BOS. Aren't some 319 ETOPS?

What is Sata's LIS schedule? I know that it is seasonal, but how long does it run for and is it daily?

The Herald went into a little more detail than the Globe about the incentives, it has to be a new carrier on a new route and the carrier has to make a comitment to do the route year round for at least a year and offer at least 3 weekly frequencies.

Even though it has its own thread already, this pertains to this thread, FL is starting BTV-BWI service. That now makes 3 nNew England stations for FL PWM, BOS and BTV. I wonder how long it takes them to come to PVD and challenge DL on ATL. If they were to come, would they start BWI and fight with WN?


User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3406 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10594 times:

Not to compare taxiway projects, but I've heard that PVD will have a "center field" taxiway project this summer too. The long needed connection of taxiways M and S to create a full length parallel to runway 5-23 is slated to be done by the fall.

User currently offlinePWM2TXLHopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1302 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10595 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 10):

Quoting N801NW (Reply 9):

Did CO ever serve PWM with mainline equipment?



Yes, for over ten years. From roughly 1987-1998. Originally, during the 1980's service to EWR was with Peoples Express. Then when CO purchased them, PWM started seeing mainline CO metal. Over the years PWM-EWR was operated on 737-100's, 737-200's, 727-200's, and MD-80's for CO. Then in the mid 1990's some of the flights started getting replaced with ATR-42's. By 1998 or early 1999, all flights became Continental Express. In 2000, the flights transitioned to all EMB-145 service.


However, three or four years ago during the summer season, one flight per day was operated by a 737-500. This was the last time PWM had a mainline CO flight.

[Edited 2008-02-15 12:19:56]

[Edited 2008-02-15 12:21:53]

User currently offlineRKDflier From United States of America, joined May 2004, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10566 times:

Delta just announced BGR-JFK and an additional flight BGR-BOS according to today's Bangor Daily News and the BGR website.


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User currently offlineJawake From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10482 times:

So I was wondering..... The Red Sox are beginning Spring Training down in Fort Myers, FL and news reporters, staff and obviously players are making their way down to Florida. Any ideas how they are doing it? Would they fly into MIA, or FLL or TPA? What route would folks use to get down there?

User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7871 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 10477 times:



Quoting B752OS (Reply 15):
Why wouldn't a 319 work?

For one I think there would be a lot more demand than an A319 can handle. Then they would lose all the high yield customers to other carriers operating widebody aircraft with propper F/J class. And third but not least, they would not be able to carry any cargo. Due to the large Portuguese community here, a ton of cargo travels between Portugal and NE. If all that is not enough, I suspect adding something like an A319 to "long haul" would cause some unnecessary operational issues, especially amongst Union contracts. I also think that the 319 is far more valuable for intra-Europe service. Despite their success in Brazil, Europe is still TP's bread and butter. Long-haul yield are never as good as short haul. I think I just went a very wide tangent to the original topic here  Smile

Quoting B752OS (Reply 15):
The Herald went into a little more detail than the Globe about the incentives, it has to be a new carrier on a new route and the carrier has to make a comitment to do the route year round for at least a year and offer at least 3 weekly frequencies.

So did the Globe article  Smile 75% off on the first year, and 25% off on the second year. It says that they expect to make up that money in about 5 years. Sounds like a good risk sharing plan. There's always the risk that the airline will leave after 2 years if the route doesn't perform well enough. But as the article points out, the airline is also risking a lot just by starting the route. But you're right. Since SATA already operates to LIS I wonder if TP would qualify for the rebate. SATA is not year-round and is not a regularly scheduled airline. They operate as a seasonal charter carrier. Maybe the case could be made that BOS-LIS by TP would be a new destination by a new carrier. One thing we can take from this article, Massport is working hard to attract new international business.

On that note, of all the potential cities they listed - "Beijing, Shanghai, Tokyo, Mexico City, Tel Aviv, and Mumbai" - I see NRT as the most likely canditate in the near term. 89,000 passengers per year between BOS and Tokyo doesn't sound like a lot but it leaves out all the potential people that travel between New England and Asia via various connecting points of the World.


User currently offlineRcardinale From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 10466 times:

This year is going to be a very interesting year for intl ops at BOS. We lost Flyglobespan this year as well as MAN and we haven't have BRU service since around 2000. Maybe DL can add a MAN and BRU flight but there is also a chance that Jet could add something like BOS-BRU-BOM which would be awesome.

User currently offlineGeorgiabill From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 572 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 10451 times:
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Congrats to PWM and BTV for their success in 2007. I think PWM and BTV will continue to see their passenger numbers rise. BTV will definitely get a boost from the new FL service to BWI. MHT'S new airport manager has started here. Hopefully we will see new service or a few rj's replaced with mainline service. DL from MHT to ATL could support atleast 1 daily mainline service and with CO building it's CLE hub perhaps 1 daily MHT to CLE mainline. But with the prices of fuel, I think MHT will be lucky not to see a significant drop in service. BOS would like to see new international services. TAP to LIS or Jet to BOM via BRU could be possible within the next few years.

User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6344 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 10443 times:



Quoting Jawake (Reply 19):
So I was wondering..... The Red Sox are beginning Spring Training down in Fort Myers, FL and news reporters, staff and obviously players are making their way down to Florida. Any ideas how they are doing it? Would they fly into MIA, or FLL or TPA? What route would folks use to get down there?

Why wouldn't they fly non-stop to RSW?


User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days ago) and read 10424 times:



Quoting Georgiabill (Reply 22):
Congrats to PWM and BTV for their success in 2007. I think PWM and BTV will continue to see their passenger numbers rise. BTV will definitely get a boost from the new FL service to BWI. MHT'S new airport manager has started here. Hopefully we will see new service or a few rj's replaced with mainline service. DL from MHT to ATL could support atleast 1 daily mainline service and with CO building it's CLE hub perhaps 1 daily MHT to CLE mainline. But with the prices of fuel, I think MHT will be lucky not to see a significant drop in service. BOS would like to see new international services. TAP to LIS or Jet to BOM via BRU could be possible within the next few years.

BOM was mentioned as one of the targest for Massport in their incentive package, 9W could kill 2 birds with one stone by operating 4-5 x weekly BOS-BRU-BOM service. A 332 would be a good sized aircraft and that way they could sell tickets on BOS-BRU and BOS-BOM. With open skies and BA showing their willingness to start TATL service from other European cities besides LHR, albeit all of the service is focused at JFK, I wonder if they could start 752 BOS-MAN service.

Quoting Jawake (Reply 19):
So I was wondering..... The Red Sox are beginning Spring Training down in Fort Myers, FL and news reporters, staff and obviously players are making their way down to Florida. Any ideas how they are doing it? Would they fly into MIA, or FLL or TPA? What route would folks use to get down there?

The players all report from different areas, wherever they spend their offseasons so they are responsible for arriving to City of Palms at a specific date. Of course they would fly into RSW, flying into MIA or FLL would make no sense as that is about a 4 hour ride to Ft. Myers. RSW is a HUGE destination from BOS to begin with and for the month and a half The Sox are down there, airlines are full (DL, B6, FL) go out full or near full everyday.

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 20):
For one I think there would be a lot more demand than an A319 can handle. Then they would lose all the high yield customers to other carriers operating widebody aircraft with propper F/J class. And third but not least, they would not be able to carry any cargo. Due to the large Portuguese community here, a ton of cargo travels between Portugal and NE. If all that is not enough, I suspect adding something like an A319 to "long haul" would cause some unnecessary operational issues, especially amongst Union contracts. I also think that the 319 is far more valuable for intra-Europe service. Despite their success in Brazil, Europe is still TP's bread and butter. Long-haul yield are never as good as short haul. I think I just went a very wide tangent to the original topic here

How about a 321, they are ETOPS and TP has them in there fleet. It would be nice to see regular scheduled service to LIS.


25 Jawake : So I am an idiot, not totally thinking there is an airport in Ft Meyers. RSW is the obvious choice.
26 Post contains images AirPortugal310 : Only 2000 lbs?! (joking buddy) Range....2500nm thereabouts, and when the winds pick up over the Atlantic expect that number to go down.
27 BOStonsox : If DL and NW merge I think BOS-NRT is guaranteed, as DL flies more routes from BOS to Quebec City and Fredericton in the summer, even some cities they
28 WarRI1 : One person, me, and the 1 billion estimate is for the whole project, runway extension, land aquisition, taking of houses, road closing, highway reloc
29 WarRI1 : I could not agree more and certainly agree with the term regional airport in regards to PVD. as with everything, time will tell, all the forcasts in
30 Afitch7881 : TWA flew BDL-PWM-BDL up until a year or two before their merger. The flight was mainly a continuation to/from STL. I don't think many people actually
31 WarRI1 : Has that project started yet? that looks like a fairly long connection to tie M to S taxiway, it has to be over a thousand feet or so, I know it does
32 PWM2TXLHopper : This flight started in 1999 and was operated on MD-80 equipment. The PWM-BDL-STL flight left in the early morning, and the return ELP-STL-BDL-PWM fli
33 ChrisNH : With this talk of 'new' MHT-BOS service, and possible intra-New England service, does it not feel like we're going back to the future? Like, why not s
34 Jawake : We could start LEB-BOS & PWM-BOS. I don't think anyone is hitting those routes, I could be wrong. I have always thought NE could use a shuttle servic
35 Post contains images RL757PVD : Not PROJECT but rather 10-15 year development plan a list of all the notable projects can be found in thread # 3. Many smaller projects are also incl
36 ChrisNH : That is a good point. Massport may have this plan to put a wonderful marketing engine in place to attract and entice international carriers to Logan.
37 RL757PVD : Well i havent seen details of their plan but usually it is for either new airlines or new destinations. Airports would not want to waste their momey
38 ChrisNH : True enough. But if Terminal E is chock-full of planes, who do you send packing...the 'new guy' or the airline that's been a 'good soldier' through t
39 RL757PVD : Asia, Middle east and India typically dont have the same departure times as europe. theres also plenty of charters that can be sent packing first.
40 WarRI1 : If taxiway M is connected to S and is built to runway specs, is there enough safety separation to later call this a parallel runway? It looks close,
41 RL757PVD : Tecnically yes... though the separtation is so close that they wouldnt be able to do independant operations (see CLE) and also they would have to dem
42 RL757PVD : delete... double post[Edited 2008-02-18 09:19:05]
43 WarRI1 : Thanks for the information, I forgot to mention that about the width of the taxiway versus the runway.
44 RL757PVD : Actually come to think of it... i believe they will be too close... minimum parallel runway separation is 700 ft, and i want to say this separation w
45 BOStonsox : It would be great if they did like in Europe and sent a bus over to the plane. I wish they would let DL put a FIS in Terminal A so AF, NW, and AZ cou
46 RL757PVD : Its been mentioned in some threads on here that it was designed without room for an FIS meaning that its not even possible... while i do find that so
47 B752OS : I agree....I don't see there being enough space for large widebodies. Yes there is space, bu gates would have to be blocked off in order to fit them.
48 WarRI1 : I wonder, what is the main problem at Logan, is it a lack of gates, or is it runway congestion? Will the centerfield taxiway project relieve runway i
49 RL757PVD : BOS has excess gate capacity now, but the ability to construct additional gates in the future is extremely limited. The mid field taxiway will help i
50 LH423 : Depending on the time of day, it's both. Terminal E from 16:00 until 19:00 is effectively maxed out. As soon as a gate becomes available, there's som
51 B752OS : I believe the centerfield taxiway is to make for easier movements, thus less incursions. I don't believe Logan is near capacity as far as slots go, a
52 RL757PVD : Looks like currently only 6 landings can be accomplished without requiring an aircraft to cross the runway. Meaning that a 7th plane cannot land unti
53 MAH4546 : Look for Virgin America at Boston by year's end. The rest of 2008 calls for Chicago, Miami, and Boston, in no particular order. However, given that Bo
54 RL757PVD : They can have fun being the 5th airline to that party.....
55 BOStonsox : That will explain the new B6 BOS-LAX flight. When they announced it I saw the thread here that said "B6 announces LAX" and I thought to myself, "Let m
56 MAH4546 : It don't think it explains it entirely. JetBlue doesn't know that VX will be flying Boston, though I'm sure they might have been anticipating it. In
57 Airbazar : But I'd have to question the yields on this route. A lot of the BOS-India traffic is not to Bombay but to Bangalore or some other city in India. BOS-
58 B752OS : What market are you referrign to with near rock bottom yields. Boston-California is a HUGE market and has room for 4 or 5 carriers. Remember, Boston
59 MAH4546 : Boston-California yields have suffered tremendously since JetBlue came to town. In 2002/03 Boston-California was a crown jewel for airlines - a great
60 NBGSkyGod : A few years ago there was a LEB BOS route, however at the time Logan wasn't very little guy friendly, so they went to LGA. I have spoken with the OPS
61 Post contains images RL757PVD : Theres a market 60 miles south that had 500+ daily socal O&D before BOS-socal boomed.. that market would be more than happy to take one of the LAX fl
62 ChrisNH : This only tangentially involves New England, but there's another thread here on airliners.net wondering why a Northwest 747-200 flew from MSP to Toron
63 WarRI1 : If PVD stayed in their fence and went to 8300 ft, where in California could be reached with todays aircraft, non-stop from PVD?
64 BOStonsox : I love those movies that take place in Boston where the city you see is clearly not Boston. War of the Worlds is another example. NW announced BDL-ME
65 RL757PVD : Depends on the aircraft payloand and temperature. 8,300 might get all 737-700 and A319, but would probably still not allow for unrestricted, full, 73
66 Bobnwa : How is it you know something that no one at NWA knows. Have you been sitting in in on the merger meetings? Neither DL or NW have ever said any hub wo
67 ChrisNH : First, you need a merger. And the way things are going this week, it won't happen. So, talk all you like about 'de-hubbing.' Pilot seniority is going
68 B752OS : Or how about Boston being used to double as another city? The new Pink Panther movie which "set" in Paris, but was filmed in Boston. There has been q
69 BOStonsox : I don't know if MEM will be dehubbed, but that is what the speculation is. I think there may be a focus city there IF the merger goes through.
70 B752OS : Just looking at some numbers for domestic O&D and Combining BOS, MHT and PVD comes out to about 29.28 million pax, not too shabby.
71 RL757PVD : MEM is VERY weak on the O&D side, essentially i think CVG would be about BOS sized and MEM would be a CMH sized focus city post merger. CVG/MEM to: B
72 LH423 : Well, the good thing about 9W is that they operate a 'scissor hub' at BRU while the flight number might operate BOS-BRU-BOM, someone could get off in
73 BOStonsox : If 9W had a codeshare partner in BRU that would be even better. It would plug two holes up just like that: BOS-BRU and BOS-India.
74 LH423 : I'm not sure to what extent they cooperate but 9W and SN have some sort of agreement. Which would make sense because you could get some of the traffi
75 Jawake : Could I get some terms defined? What does O&D stand for? What is a "scissor hub"?
76 B752OS : O&D stands for originating and destination passengers. For examples, BOS domestically has about 20.7 million O&D passengers meaning that about 20.7 m
77 WarRI1 : Who rates an aircraft as far as it's performance and range, is it the aircraft manufacturer and then the FAA? Does someone certify that it will do th
78 Post contains images Airbazar : Since no one has answered I'll take a stab at this A scissor hub is really like any hub except it's not the terminating point for any flight. It's ju
79 Dvincent : Not the first time Toronto was used as a fill-in for Boston, Fever pitch did the same thing.
80 Bobnwa : Other than this thread, who uses the term scissor hub?
81 Airbazar : I've read it in different places and other threads here on a.net. EK for example is building a scissor hub in HAM. AI is building a scissor hub in MU
82 RL757PVD : Its pretty much just like a car, where there is a performance "range" based on hows its "driven", only that its more precise. Flight computers these
83 Airbazar : The point being that a slight difference in your car will amount to a measly difference of only a few cents at the pump while a slight difference on
84 Post contains images RL757PVD : That goes for the acquisition costs of the car/plane too! Just add 3-4 0's to end ot he number to get the airplane figure
85 BOStonsox : I think the scenes where Drew Barrymore's character goes to Paris were filmed at Logan. The plane shown is a mainline AA jet, which makes sense becau
86 WarRI1 : In the thread (Short Runway Wide Body Service). Reply 29 says that from NCL (Newcastle UK) Runway is 7641 ft. EK A330 daily to Dubai. Some 747's with
87 Post contains images RL757PVD : Nothing that an 18,000 ft runway cant fix with a 13,000 ft secondary to go with it! as for New Castle, 747s for charter A) carry little to no cargo a
88 Airbazar : I've always wondered about that myself. They serve the Anderson Transportation Center in Woburn which makes no sense at all because parking there cos
89 WarRI1 : Now that is a set of runways alright. I will have to look that up. I guess when you have alot of sand, space is not at a premium like in Warwick.
90 Nbgskygod : I talked to a buddy of mine down at Westover. He says that Skybus is doing really well and is looking to add more routes in the near future.
91 ChrisNH : Today's snow sent several Boston-bound flights to other cities. Syracuse got a UA 757 coming in from Los Angeles and a Northwest A330-300 from Amsterd
92 Jawake : Thanks! I have seen O&D many times, I decided to finally ask what exactly does that mean. The scissor hub makes sense, I just never heard of it. This
93 ChrisNH : A JetBlue A320 going from Nassau, Bahamas to Boston went instead to Burlington, VT...where it still sits as of this writing (1930 EST Friday).
94 LH423 : I've heard some nightmare stories about buses crossing the border taking extreme amounts of time. So, I'm not too sure that a bus could be feasible s
95 Bobnwa : What does your buddy do at Westover that he would be in the know about Skybus?
96 Nbgskygod : He's a controller down at Westover.
97 WarRI1 : I was looking for a non-stop flight from BOS to San Diego, and I have not been able to find one. Is there such a flight? and that brings up a question
98 B752OS : BOS does have non-stop flights to SAN. AA and B6 offer daily non-stop flights. BOS-SFO has AA, UA and B6 offering a total of 8 daily non-stop flights
99 Post contains images BOStonsox : Where did you look? AA goes to SFO, LAX, and SAN. DL goes to LAX. UA goes to SFO and LAX. B6 goes to SFO, OAK, SJC, LGB, SAN, and as of May, LAX. Che
100 WarRI1 : Thanks for that information, I did not try AA and B6. I will check more thoroughly.
101 Post contains images Dvincent : Well, not Toronto's airport, but many shots for Fever Pitch were shot in Toronto. Listen to the director's commentary. I should have clarified a bit.
102 BAGoldEx : More thoroughly? Just curious, where did you actually look in the first place?
103 WarRI1 : I checked United, Continental and Delta. I knew there was nothing direct from PVD, so I went to Logan. I was looking for a direct flight to San Diago
104 Post contains links B752OS : http://www.projo.com/business/conten..._02-26-08_T693RV9_v16.2a43b67.html I was just looking on projo.com and came across this article about Kevin Dil
105 Bobnwa : How does a controller at Westover have any knowledge of the financial matters of any airline flying into the airport. The controls, control air traff
106 ChrisNH : The article said the speedy lengthening of the runway. I think he will have earned his salary and then some if he can (A) define speedy and (B) get i
107 BOStonsox : Is the runway what is supposed to be what brings West Coast flights to PVD? That would be cool. I wonder why WN hasn't jumped on that yet. How are BD
108 WarRI1 : [quote=BOStonsox,reply=107]Is the runway what is supposed to be what brings West Coast flights to PVD? That would be cool. I wonder why WN hasn't jump
109 WarRI1 : I agree with your point, what is speedy? and how to get it done in a speedy fashion. I think there maybe some hurdles yet to jump. I do know that War
110 B752OS : Are you kidding me? With the way fuel prices are and the little demand there would be between those cities, the flights would never last. Yes there i
111 Nbgskygod : I never claimed it was "official" information. We do, from time to time, especially when new service is introduced at an airport that has very little
112 ChrisNH : The SkyBus operation is, so far, the lasting achievement at what either was (or still is) called Pease Tradeport. Folks there have seen idea after ide
113 BOStonsox : I don't know what they're business model is. Cheap fares, sure. Making some money with in-flight sales. But aside from the PSM-Florida flights the on
114 ChrisNH : Well, to be fair the article pointed out one restaurant (Bonfire)...not the whole airport.
115 Ordfrbdl : Shifting gears, does anyone know how the NW97/NW98 AMS - BDL flight is doing overall? I know people who just took it and said there was ample room to
116 ChrisNH : Well, I think you can find flights from Boston this time of year with ample room to spare. I hope the flight is doing well, because it's a good way t
117 Dvincent : It was doing great over the summer but now the load factors are down a bit during the winter (not surprising as Amsterdam isn't much more fun in the
118 Airbazar : Just bought tickets for myself and the family for our ski vacation in the Alps, on NW, BOS-AMS-MUC, for 2 weeks from now, $465RT all taxes and fees i
119 LH423 : Awesome. Have a great time! No kidding. It probably costs about that to fly CO to Mont Tremblant. Why have faux Europe when you can have the real thi
120 ChrisNH : I wonder if Europeans who ski would see a financial incentive (because of the exchange rate) to come here to New England rather than simply 'stay' in
121 Post contains images Airbazar : The problem is, even though the Euro is at $1.5+, it's still cheaper to ski in the Alps. That is why I'm doing my second ski vacation there, this sea
122 RL757PVD : If you can be sure to try and stop over in INN, cool little city and be sure to try and check out the airport there. Increduble views (as seen by man
123 B752OS : Well that is an interesting thought. However to go from the Mountains in the Alps to the smaller mountains on Vermont, Maine and New Hampshire would
124 Post contains images Airbazar : I've been to Innesbruck on my way to a 3 day visit to the Alberg region. Fun fun fun This time I'm visiting Herman Meyer's hometown of Flachau. SZG h
125 LH423 : They do. Me and Airbazar had this debate once before, even though we ultimately agree. But Virgin Holidays sells pretty attractive packages out of th
126 Ordfrbdl : Completely agree.... and if I were still in the BDL area I'd only book transatlantic travel on the NW 752s. The extra cost would be well invested com
127 BOStonsox : Wow. BOS-MUC for $465. And I hear prices to Europe are skyrocketing! Where are Zoom UK and Ryanair when you need them? I paid $549 before taxes and fe
128 Post contains images Airbazar : It's the off-season. The key is to know when to buy or to be flexible to go when the prices are low. I never planned to go in March but when we saw t
129 Post contains images LH423 : Interesting to know. Because often the people I would be checking in would be larger families or two large families of 3+ kids of varying ages. So, y
130 WarRI1 : Is there any source of information to go to that gives any information about different aircraft and the runways needed to operate them? I did not have
131 RL757PVD : Boeings site has everything on there, very easy to use. Search for Airplane/Aircraft characteristics for airport planning under their airport technol
132 WarRI1 : Ok, thanks , I will check that info again, I overlooked it somehow.
133 BOStonsox : I saw that "Pan Am" is gone. That leaves BED without any service and PSM with only Skybus. I wonder if anyone will fill their void, even though the NI
134 DALMD88 : I just heard Colgan has picked up BOS-ALB.
135 Cadet57 : Coming late to the party here, (being in the cooler will do that) But I have a small update from CEF. Skybus, love it or hate it, is doing well here,
136 RL757PVD : Im suprised they havent doen any CEF-Florida yet... FLL PGD and SGJ
137 Cadet57 : Likewise. FWIW being a resident most folks I talk to would LOVE if they had FL flights or connection possibilities. Thou with GSO and CMH plus a 2nd
138 BOStonsox : I hope so, because via CMH and GSO it is only possible to go to Florida or GYY out of CEF, unless you want to backtrack to the Northeast. PSM has a f
139 ChrisNH : Just an aside here, but as creator of the First New England Aviation Thread and a happy participant in the three threads that were subsequently starte
140 Post contains links Rob2507 : In today's Boston Globe: Iberia to go daily for the summer No mention of a/c type, so I guess they stick with the 340? Also no mention of a date for g
141 Dvincent : Florida is a huge market from here, I wouldn't be surprised to see a stop sometime in the future. Really glad that the Springfield area has real viab
142 Post contains links PWM2TXLHopper : Earlier in the thread, I believe somebody brought up the subject of the newest reincarnation of Pan Am and their recent problems that are forcing them
143 BAGoldEx : There was a whole thread about this yesterday, apparently the daily flights are only through the middle of August then it drops a weekly frequency ev
144 BOStonsox : That would be nice. I think there are some small markets who could use a boost in service.
145 Post contains links BAGoldEx : Nothing huge but Virgin Atlantic has opened a lounge at Logan: http://www.virginatlantic.com/en/us/...ard/clubhouses/bostonclubhouse.jsp According to
146 BOStonsox : VS and VA are completely unrelated although they both have the Virgin name. They don't work together. Aside from Africa, Dubai, and and maybe Mumbai
147 LH423 : Not really. When you consider that VS's 744s have over 50 J seats, plus their Flying Club gold members and their guests, VS could regularly have it n
148 Airbazar : I think he was referring to a possible codeshare between VS and VX, and passengers transfering between the 2 airlines being able to use the lounge. T
149 BAGoldEx : I was speaking strictly to the ability of VX passengers being able to use the VA lounge as has been permitted in San Francisco and that would obvious
150 LH423 : Of course that's always a possibility however even if someone was transferring from VX to VS, unless, as BAGoldEx alluded to, a similar pay-per-visit
151 MAH4546 : It's just part of their roll out of Clubhouses throughout their Heathrow-served stations. It is not a signal of expansion. They are also hoping - spa
152 RL757PVD : since its always asked about, here are the BDL-AMS stats for Jan 2008 Enplanements = 2,448 (49% load) Deplanements = 3,047 (61% load) Im rather supris
153 Airbazar : It's a "subsidised" route and Jan-Mar is low season. So if the majority of those seats are full fare or high yield fares, NW is probably making a kil
154 RL757PVD : Has that been confirmed? I believe some WBC seats might be paid for, but i dont think it is all out subsidized.
155 WarRI1 : Warwickonline .com (Warwick Beaco) Letter to the Editor March 11 According to the writer, 500 million cost of runway expension, FAA kicks in 150 milli
156 BOStonsox : I saw today that BDL lost its F9 flight to DEN. They say it should come back in December, though. Wasn't Terminal E at BOS supposed to be renamed Term
157 RL757PVD : I havent heard that... the flight has been getting progressively worse since august...i believe the january load factor was in the high 50's or low 6
158 WarRI1 : I attended a planning board meeting tonight in Warwick, RIAC spokeswoman was there, she did not have to testify . The meeting is about the intermodal
159 RL757PVD : This is exactly the type of airport generated economic activity i was talking about over countless posts in these new england aviation threads. The a
160 WarRI1 : In and of itself, job creation is not something I would argue with, quite the opposite. The head of the R.I Development Corporation said yesterday in
161 ChrisNH : The whole country is going in this direction (hello, Detroit). To be fair, not all manufacturing jobs are 'well-paying' ones and not all service jobs
162 RL757PVD : Though with the way things are going, a job is a job. A good facility with nonstop flights and intermodal connections will make the area more conveni
163 Dvincent : Tell you the truth I prefer watching arrivals in Winthrop or at the car wash in east Boston when the 22s are in use...
164 RL757PVD : My preference is eating pizza out on Revere beach with the 22's are in use, the seem to be less utilized these days than they used to. Now they are t
165 WarRI1 : I agree. I think everyone knows I oppose the expansion at PVD for quality of life issues. I also cannot quite accept the concept of tremendous econom
166 BOStonsox : I have only been to Winthrop a few times. Maybe sometime I'll go planespotting there. But I prefer Columbia Point and Castle Island to anywhere else.
167 PVD757 : (shock) and I do to - with the current state of things and the mess (to put it politely) RI is in. The differance I and some others in this forum hav
168 Post contains images Airbazar : One reason some people are avoinding using the R word to describe our country's current economic situation is because service jobs and the service in
169 ChrisNH : Airports always seem to get a bad rap when it comes to economic investment. Too much money, people say. Too much of an annoyance. Noise. Pollution. We
170 RL757PVD : Like ive said before YOU CANNOT WAIT UNTIL THE DEMAND IS THERE, because then ITS TOO LATE. Even as quickly as MHT got their extension done, it was st
171 ChrisNH : You will be six feet under before a new runway extension succeeds on the merits of 'aircraft performance.' Safety is and should be a paramount concer
172 RL757PVD : Since last time i checked, you didnt do this for a living, and I do, let me tell you how it really works.... Commercial aircraft would not be landing
173 Post contains images ChrisNH : Ok...where is that little 'roll eyes' smilie...wait...wait...here it is: Tell me how much your 'projected demand' figures are worth in light of the a
174 RL757PVD : Easily put... if you dont build it, they are as hell aint commin' ! Theres dozens and dozens of EXISTING flights that would have operational limitati
175 ChrisNH : I really would LIKE to see PVD extend their runway; a rising tide floats all boats, as the saying goes. But New England is losing population, and has
176 RL757PVD : Lying to the people is not going make any freinds or build and trust. though it will never be liked, the airport needs to as good of a neighbor as th
177 Airbazar : I agree with a lot of things you say but this is not the first time you bring the following point up and I disagree that it has a negative impact on a
178 WarRI1 : I did not mention the Warwick Beacon article a couple of days ago about the Mayor of Warwick meeting with Mr. Dillon of RIAC. One of the quotes in the
179 WarRI1 : I also agree with you, 100% and that is why we believe nothing we hear. I will tell you there is nobody more in favor of sustainable and well paying
180 WarRI1 : That is one of the points touched on in the Beacon article also, that they would like the companies to pledge to fill more seats on flights out of PV
181 WarRI1 : What is the maximum length that the main runway can be extended in PVD and have the 1000 ft safety area and still stay in the existing airport proper
182 WarRI1 : I think the latest economic news today does not bode well for aviation and the economy in general. Events seem to be spraling out of control and I thi
183 ChrisNH : Yes, the economic news today (and for the past week) has been awful. But if there's one thing that the U.S. economy is, it's resilient. It's self-corr
184 RL757PVD : This is not a 20-year economic recession... being short sighted now, will lead to an economic disadvantage when things recover. That applies to anyth
185 WarRI1 : I could not agree with you more. this economy is not conducive to expansion in any industry, never mind civil aviation and tourism. A simple choice r
186 WarRI1 : According to the news that I watched so far today, deregulation was started with Reagan, and has been a policy ever since, I would have to say, more
187 ChrisNH : I'm glad I'm scared to invest in the stock market, aside from the mutual fund & retirement fund that my payroll paycheck deductions go into. Remember
188 RL757PVD : What part of - this wont even be constructed for another 5-10 years do you not get? If the recession is still going on in 10 years they our problems
189 WarRI1 : I can tell you from experiance, that when things go wrong in the market after you have followed their advice, they could care less. After a hefty los
190 BOStonsox : Skybus is expanding at CEF, adding flights to Florida, and PSM is getting a flight to SWF. We'll see how that one does. Interesting. I wonder if they
191 WarRI1 : I understand what you are saying, but I do not have faith in the airline industry coming back in this area so strongly, the fuel situation is not goi
192 WarRI1 : We can live with 800 feet, that sounds good to me and nobody in Warwick will complain about the rest of the project. Remember the FAA called the exte
193 RL757PVD : But see thats existing demand... 10 years from now do you want to start this long, costly, and painstaking process all over again? Or do you take the
194 WarRI1 : Lets hope so, like you said if this goes on too long we will all have big problems. the other part about the 800 ft was a joke, I forgot to provide t
195 Post contains images RL757PVD : If it goes on long enough, even you will be wanting planes full of businessmen coming in to try and stimulate the economy As for your previous questi
196 Post contains images Airbazar : You don't want to open up this can worms here do you? Personally I think we need less government involment. Abolish the foreign ownership rules so th
197 ChrisNH : Well, I'm thinking about smaller airports and communities who really are at the mercy of airlines when it comes to air service. If Delta wants to aba
198 RL757PVD : The airlines are fine without government intervention. the one place the govt intervention is needed is when the airlines overschedule airports beyond
199 ChrisNH : Hello, Worcester. We hardly knew Ye.
200 RL757PVD : ORH is Hardly an EAS airport, we're talking about places where people ahve a legitimate chance of flying out of the local airport. Places where they
201 WarRI1 : Now that is not a bad option, the bend in Main Avenue, it is all clear zone now, I had not heard that one. Minimal impact and a lot less money, I wou
202 RL757PVD : I think thats what is driving the 8,700 ft plan, some houses would need to be bought so that there are no sharp curves in the bend. But as you stated
203 WarRI1 : I am reading a book (Conquering Gotham) about the age of the Robber Barons in the that age around the turn of the century. (Railroads, steel, mining,
204 WarRI1 : What would you get for range with the 8700 ft length as far as non-stop flights go?
205 RL757PVD : As discussed previously it depends on what type of aircraft. 8,700 ft wont get the full mix of aircraft, but it would open up some new possibilities
206 WarRI1 : Ok, thanks for the information.
207 Post contains links KPWM : Here's the only link I could find. As of right now, Skybus hasn't opened up booking for the PSM-SWF route yet. http://www.jaunted.com/story/2008/3/..
208 RL757PVD : I would think PSM-ILG might do pretty good, perhaps better than PSM-SWF. PSM-ILG would actually be some legitimate competition for PWM/MHT-PHL
209 B752OS : Sure it may be, but WN has pretty good loyalty up in MHT and it may be hard to break that, even with the recent mechanical problems WN has had.
210 ChrisNH : Don't forget that these $10 fares are NOWHERE to be found out of PSM. Try checking the Skybus web site and see for yourself. No matter when and no mat
211 B752OS : I would never fly on an airline that offers $10 fares, something seems wrong with that. How is Skybus able to make money offering those cheap fares,
212 B752OS : The cuts by DL is already being mentioned in another thread, Delta Schedule Changes (cuts). There are some New England routes being either cut all tog
213 Tappan : Hi fellow Bostonians/New Englanders, When are we all gonna meet? Mark Garfinkel
214 PVD757 : aw, I was hoping you were Kathryn Tappan from NESN no offense of course
215 Tappan : PVD---- Offense taken. I ask, innocently, to see if there is any interest for a New England area meet up and you give me that answer...? Nice. Mark
216 BOStonsox : I remember a year ago there was an airline show at Logan but I guess that was just a one time thing. Still, it would be cool to meet up sometime. Too
217 Dvincent : Mark, When the weather gets nice a meetup sounds fun.
218 AirPortugal310 : im down! nothing like watching planes and cooler full of "beverages"
219 B752OS : Just read some articles about the Sox and their current tour in Japan. Massachusetts is sending over tourism reps and they are planning on making seve
220 Dvincent : I imagine Boston is on the short list of destination for Asian countries 3-4 years from now when 787 service is a reality.
221 Nbgskygod : Getting off the subject of business for a moment. I came across a flyer yesterday at my wife's school. The New Hampshire Aviation Historical Society i
222 Post contains images Jawake : I think getting together is a great idea, I am interested. It would be nice to maybe coordinate it with an event in the area, I am not sure what the
223 ChrisNH : I really would like to do that! I don't know which airport is the best place to meet, though. My bias is MHT, if only because of the great vantagepoi
224 Nbgskygod : You guys can count me in for a meet as well. Sundays would be my most available day, although I could make saturday work as well.
225 Cadet57 : Hey guys. Last summer, about 6-7 of us met at Castle Island for an afternoon of spotting and sodas. We did it father's day weekend. A repeat sounds g
226 RL757PVD : I sure as hell hope its subsidized, id find it hard to believe they are making money at these loads... BDL-AMS 2048 = 44% load factor AMS-BDL - 2188
227 Post contains images ChrisNH : Father's Day...of course! The day where our wives ask us, 'Honey, today is YOUR day...what would YOU like to do??' I'm there. Of course, I vaguely kno
228 Cadet57 : If you can get to logan, I could get you the rest of the way lol.
229 Nbgskygod : I will have to clear it through my wife, but I think she will be happy to be rid of me for an entire day. I'm with Chris though, I have no idea where
230 ChrisNH : You're not going to have me swim across the shipping channel, now are you?
231 BOStonsox : Castle Island is not difficult to get to at all. From the WTC and convention center just keep heading straight down the road over the bridge. There is
232 Post contains images Cadet57 : Corse not. 's why there are car's, and a.netters who know how to get there
233 Dvincent : Castle Island is also known as "Fort Independence" or "Independence Park." If you ever looked at a map of Southie, it's that crescent-shaped beach are
234 ChrisNH : Is the AA Terminal at Logan an absolute ZOO today because of the MD-80 groundings? I can imagine there are angry people all over the place there. Paid
235 Nbgskygod : Unfortunately the NH Historical Society meeting in Claremont has been canceled tonight and reschedualed for a later date, unknown date. I hope this me
236 Afitch7881 : It is subsidized, but I bet anything the front of the plane is at or near 100% full every flight. Having the front cabin full with a weak load in bac
237 B752OS : The traffic numbers for February 2008 are out for the major New England airports and again, PWM saw a fantastic 23.5% jump over Feb of 07. But the big
238 RL757PVD : Thats a major typo... BDL was up 3.3% (455K to 470K)
239 B752OS : The newspaper must be wrong then. It had BDL going from just under 455,000 to about 568,000.
240 RL757PVD : That paper has typos in it all the time, they really need to do a better quality control check
241 B752OS : That's too bad, they are always right on with the BOS numbers, how are they with PVD? I was just checking the BDL website and didn't find anything fo
242 Jawake : This is good news for New England. With the high price of fuel, airlines going BK, major carriers reducing their fleet, I hope NE will feel a minimal
243 RL757PVD : whats amazing was that PVD's 2% increase was on a 14% decrease in available seats! They screw it up at least once a year....
244 WarRI1 : Where is the best place to get those figures for passenger traffic in New England? Are they on the RIAC site?
245 WarRI1 : I found them for Feb, on the RIAC site, must have not looked thoroughly.
246 WarRI1 : I have been watching on and off an Airbus 330 that comes into PVD quite often in the afternoon, I cannot identify it's tail marking. I have only caugh
247 BOStonsox : So where do we pick up the boat to go to Castle Island? Does it sail out of Back Bay? Could we also go to Wood Island and Deer Island? Just kidding o
248 RL757PVD : Are you sure thats the aircraft type? I dont know of any A330 using PVD on a regular basis. The last one that did was the Air Luxor Azores charters a
249 BAGoldEx : I doubt you're seeing a 330 at PVD but next time you think you are, take a look on flightaware.com. That will tell you exactly where it's going and i
250 BOStonsox : So are we going to Castle Island during Fathers' Day Weekend? I haven't heard anything in a while.
251 RL757PVD : The largest thing that has used PVD this week is a B757 which is significantly smaller than an A330
252 Post contains links Cadet57 : While a shame, our mayor is optimisic and looking on the brightside of the SX failure. Skybus proved that there is a market from W.mass and are curre
253 WarRI1 : I was going by the winglets, they sure look like the Airbus, smaller than the 738-9 and slanted outwards, I have checked the Airbus site, they look l
254 RL757PVD : it would have been an Airbus 319 or A320 (US or UA), but those aircraft are about 1/3 the size of an A330, and comprable in size to a Southwest 737.
255 WarRI1 : Ok, I will try to get a better look next time, it maybe just too quick a look for me. I really did not get a chance on sizeing it. Thanks for the hel
256 BOStonsox : I wonder why it aborted landing. What did it look like? I occasionally see some unknown airlines fly into BOS, and I saw two on Sunday. One was eurow
257 WarRI1 : The impression that I have is almost like the Nike swoosh on the tail, red and blue with an all white body on the aircraft, I though it was maybe a c
258 BOStonsox : I saw the same aircraft on Sunday, a red Nike Swoosh on a mostly white body. It was coming in for a landing on Runway 4 at BOS. That and a half-blue a
259 WarRI1 : It has me confused, but, it seems like the same aircraft, I have been going through pictures of freighters on this site, nothing, there is a ton. If
260 Post contains links Rhodylee : Could it have been a 757? They've been retrofitting some with winglets: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Open-...(British/Boeing-757-236/1342820/M/
261 WarRI1 : " target=_blank>http://www.airliners.net/photo/Open-...20/M/ I do not think so, the winglets on that 757 look vertical, the winglets were smaller and
262 WarRI1 : I was just looking at the notes on Flightaware and noticed the note about PVD which specifies that practice approachs for aircraft above 12500 lbs ar
263 Nbgskygod : Yesterday Cape Air made a visit to Lebanon, NH (LEB) to talk to the airport about starting up LEB-BOS. This is good news in light of Colgan's recent a
264 RL757PVD : I would bet large sums of money that this is not occurring, at least not on the aircraft size that you are describing. From the ground, an aircraft f
265 BOStonsox : That would be cool. I wonder if there are other places in New England they can fly to from BOS. Maybe we'll see Watertown, Ogdensburg, and Massena wh
266 Cadet57 : *cough* CEF *cough* I think this officially makes me a CEF cheerleader
267 WarRI1 : I live on the southerly end of 5 and 23. My house is approximately 1/4 mile East of approach path, I first catch sight of approaching aircraft when t
268 BOStonsox : What time did you see this aircraft? When I saw it, it was in the afternoon between 1 and 3pm. Earlier this week I also saw the plane with the red A a
269 WarRI1 : I would say the time frame is about right, it was early in the afternoon, I would say it was about betwen 1 and 2, I have been keeping a closer watch
270 BOStonsox : Hmm. Now that I think of it, the plane I saw might have been smaller because I thought that maybe the Nike Swoosh was the word "Comair" but it was too
271 Cadet57 : Sure they do. I see fed ex, UPS and gemini regularly here looking at BDL
272 WarRI1 : I know that I am confused right about now, hopefully, I will get another look. If I see it land, I will head for the airport with my binnoculars.
273 WarRI1 : I have watched the aircraft coming and going on flightaware for a few days and it seems that the A320 is the most likely aircraft as far as the wingl
274 BOStonsox : If that is the case then there are two planes, one which went into PVD and another that went into BOS shortly after. But if WarRI1 is seeing a plane
275 Post contains images ChrisNH : Have you checked out pictures of ABX Air jets, such as their 767. Those have a red 'A' on the tail, and operate on behalf of DHL/Airborne. See the ima
276 BOStonsox : That is the plane with the red A that I'd seen, but the plane going to PVD and BOS that me and WarRI1 are talking about is white with a red Nike Swoo
277 WarRI1 : The ABX tail is not the one that I saw, it is more like the NIke swoosh, it is down low on the vertical part of the tail assembly, thanks for the pic
278 BOStonsox : I guess those of us who watch the planes at BOS and PVD have something to look for. If anyone sees it let us know. It is white with a red Nike Swoosh
279 ChrisNH : What does that 737 look like that bounces around New England doing gambling junkets to Atlantic City? It often flies into PWM, MHT, Westover, etc.
280 Cadet57 : Its a skyking 732, the rego swtiches around alot. In fact, last week it was a Pace 732 here. I have pics of the skyking. I'll post them after work.
281 Post contains links and images Jawake : Here is a close, but no cigar.... http://www.airliners.net/photo/SATA-...ernational/Airbus-A310-304/0868451 Is is possible they made a livery change?
282 Post contains images Cadet57 : Here you go Chris:
283 B752OS : I am sure you all have heard, it appears that DL and NW will finally merge and create the largest airline in the world in terms of traffic. With that
284 Post contains images Jawake : At MHT, I think we will need to see some leap frogging . If UA / CO comes through as well it would be interesting.
285 Airbazar : If NW moves to A, I think at least the 2nd AMS flight is doomed. It would be interesting to see if CO moves out of A so soon after it moved there fro
286 ChrisNH : Thanks for the picture! It appears as though 737-200s and DC-9s share the same engines, is that correct?
287 LH423 : Why's that? LH423
288 BOStonsox : I saw in Today In The Sky that Hainan applied for BOS service. This sounds great, but didn't they already and transfer it to EWR? I hope that they are
289 DALMD88 : My guess is the second AMS flight would be switched to a 763ER and the A333 would be shifted elsewere. It is true it will not fit on any of the Term
290 Airbazar : DL has shown time and time again that they are unwilling to operate international service from BOS and instead let their partners do that for them wh
291 B752OS : While that would be too bad if DL decides to axe both flights, where would they send them too? ATL? Having KL come in wouldn't be so bad, I suspect t
292 Post contains links B752OS : http://www.massport.com/about/press_news_Hainan_Application.html http://boston.bizjournals.com/boston...008/04/07/daily47.html?jst=b_ln_hl I appears
293 Cadet57 : Yes both had JT8D-9's or JT8D-15's for more thrust.
294 BOStonsox : How long until Japan? I think it is odd that we wouldn't get NRT service (and maybe even ICN service) before China since those places are the two mos
295 Bobnwa : With the recently approved ATI between AF/KL/DL/NW its makes no difference what equipment is used, They will all share the profit or loss.
296 Cadet57 : A question about that. Say DL flies a 767 BOS-AMS (hypothetical, I know) but would DL get a great share of the profit as it is their equipment, staff
297 LH423 : Yeah, but I think this is a different case than DL starting service. Remember, they tried once before. It's hard to start service, especially when yo
298 B752OS : I would agree that the BOS-AMS route is definately safe. Aside from the fact that it connects 2 major cities in North America and Europe, the feed KL
299 RL757PVD : BDL-AMS has not been very popular with loads. 45% loads when the NW TATL system average is 75-80% (BDL probably single handedly dragged that one down
300 BOStonsox : I saw on another thread that BMI is looking to serve JFK and BOS. They could get some *A feed from US and possibly B6 if LH hooks them up. UA also fl
301 B752OS : I think it would be tough to have a 4th carrier in the market with 3 already well established carriers flying 6 daily flights. I think BOS-LHR is wel
302 Post contains links Diamond : This thread is now over 300 replies. Please move to part 5 at: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/3943128/
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