LHFADUS From Germany, joined Apr 2007, 64 posts, RR: 0 Posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3631 times:
Hey people! Just heared from one of my colleagues from FRA, that LH will continue service to MNL. This time they're going via ICN. My colleague says she got the info directly from the LH-station manager in CAN.
LHFADUS From Germany, joined Apr 2007, 64 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3570 times:
Sorry, my mistake, of course I meant ICN! Wasn't able to gather any more information...but LH should make soemthing like this public soon. Not long until FRA - CAN - MNL is history and I can't find ANYTHING on the net or in the LH-intranet. Nothing.
SQ325 From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 1356 posts, RR: 10 Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3396 times:
The Crews will love it.
ICN is on the very bottom of every bidding list.No with a MNL resulting one day more at ICN this pattern will be loved even more
But honestly I couldn' t find anything to prove it but it would be great to maintain MNL in the LH network.
What was their routing before FRA-CAN-MNL? Was it FRA-ICN-MNL? I' m not sure
Most likely they drop the CAN-MNL because they can sell a seat FRA-CAN for more
Qazar From Canada, joined May 2006, 228 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3313 times:
How will this affect travel time to Manila?
The only way I can see this being profitable is if they get traffic rights between Korea and the Philippines... Otherwise all Manila bound passengers (from and to Europe) would opt for the KLM nonstop flight!
This still remains to be good news... once confirmed... I'm glad that LH is in a position where they can find room for their impressive expansion program without the need to cut destinations to fit it in.
LHFADUS From Germany, joined Apr 2007, 64 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3307 times:
Quoting LurveBus (Reply 4): If that were true, it would be such a weird routing...
I agree, but this is the first and so far only thing I've ever heared of LH coming back.
LH has been in MNL for a really long time, and with their current expansion-strategy it's hard for me to believe they'll leave MNL to KL as only European carrier without a fight.
Quoting SQ325 (Reply 3): What was their routing before FRA-CAN-MNL?
Early 90s was via BKK and BOM, late 90s non-stop, since 2001 via CAN.
Airevents From Germany, joined Jan 2002, 590 posts, RR: 3 Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3298 times:
Currently they are sending A340-600s to ICN on a daily flight and I believe 3 weekly A340-300s out of Munich, which will continue to Shenyang in China from spring on. Can confirm ICN is not a very popular flight with LH crews....
JoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2209 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3238 times:
Quoting Airevents (Reply 8): Currently they are sending A340-600s to ICN on a daily flight and I believe 3 weekly A340-300s out of Munich, which will continue to Shenyang in China from spring on. Can confirm ICN is not a very popular flight with LH crews....
Flights from MUC will become 6 times weekly. 3 times onward to Busan and 3 times to Shenyang
HeeseokKoo From South Korea, joined Jan 2005, 336 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3080 times:
Quoting B747forever (Reply 12): See that no one have answered if LH will have traffic rights between Korea and the Philippines. Will they have traffic rights??
I'm not sure about aviation bilateral between Germany and Philippine. However, German airliner has 7 weeklies 5th freedom a week. LH will use 3 of them on MUC-ICN-SHE, and 4 left. Well, since LH could sell tickets between CAN-MNL, I believe LH has 5th freedom out of Philippine.
PanAm747 From United States, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 11 Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2766 times:
On a side note, what is the word on MNL's new terminal? When (more like IF!!) the new international facility opens, do you think we will see more airlines returning?
Quote: MNL is desperately low yielding with a majority of VFR traffic and seaman. Those PAX will choose whatever is the cheapest option.
Could it be that parking costs are substantially cheaper at MNL than at ICN? I know that United has their HKG-SGN tag partially because SGN's overnight parking fees make it feasible (and economical) to offer this flight. It helps having fifth freedom rights on the tag-on - not having them guarantees a half-filled plane. Getting extra passengers always helps!!
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BrisseDK From Denmark, joined Nov 2007, 169 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2717 times:
Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 17): On a side note, what is the word on MNL's new terminal? When (more like IF!!) the new international facility opens, do you think we will see more airlines returning?
Hoping and praying that a new terminal will soon see the daylight. The current one is simply depressing and projects a totally wrong image about the Philippines. I also hope they change the shopping procedures in the tax-free area; it is completely crazy that you need to be in contact with 5 different people just to buy a single item.
I think it is mainly because there are not so much things to do in ICN compared to other LH asia destinations SIN,BKK or HKG! It is a rather long flight only 24 hrs in ICN so the flight is also very exhausting.
LH459 From United States, joined Aug 2005, 675 posts, RR: 2 Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days ago) and read 2534 times:
Quoting SQ325 (Reply 20): I think it is mainly because there are not so much things to do in ICN compared to other LH asia destinations
I have to disagree with that--Seoul is a very lively and fun city, imho! But with only 24 hours there, I can understand that exhaustion would be a big factor.
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CX288 From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 95 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2411 times:
Quoting LH459 (Reply 21): I have to disagree with that--Seoul is a very lively and fun city, imho! But with only 24 hours there, I can understand that exhaustion would be a big factor.
I flew SEL-MUC last fall and the LH crew members I talked to really enjoyed this roster, particularly as it was a rather long one. As MUC-SEL-PUS-SEL-MUC was only operated three times per week, they had many nights in Seoul and, due to the long time of the pattern, afterwards also some nice days off at home.
Nevertheless, it seems to be a different story for FRA-based crew for they have to work a rather long flight and have one night there only.
MilesDependent From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 702 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2177 times:
Quoting SQ325 (Reply 3): The Crews will love it.
ICN is on the very bottom of every bidding list.No with a MNL resulting one day more at ICN this pattern will be loved even more
I really find that hard to believe.
While ICN is no BKK/SIN/PVG/HKG, I would have thought the crews would rather operate there than all the various destinations in Africa, Central Asia, Pakistan, India, Middle East (Iran etc...) to which LH fly.
Perhaps you meant at the bottom of bidding list for Asia?
Airevents From Germany, joined Jan 2002, 590 posts, RR: 3 Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2020 times:
ICN is a long flight and in particular the return to Frankfurt is a long dayflight on the not very much-liked A340-600, after not much sleep the night before. I can imagine it is quite well-liked by the Munich crews having that long roster.
CXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1319 posts, RR: 1 Reply 25, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1965 times:
Quoting LurveBus (Reply 4): If that were true, it would be such a weird routing...
Quoting JoFMO (Reply 7): In terms of length there is no big difference to the previous routing through CAN and BKK before that.
The direct FRA-MNL routing is 6,408mi, which is also the length of FRA-CAN-MNL. ICN adds about another hour/500-600 miles to the routing.
Did LH have CAN-MNL 5th freedom rights?
The sky is the limit as long as you can stay there
26 Christao17: Early 2000s, too. I flew BKK-MNL on LH in January ... 2003, I believe.
27 Airevents: No, they did and do not have 5th freedom rights, just see above!
28 SQ325: Yes you are right tried to spray some sarcasm obviously it didn' work
29 CityAirline: This would really be great if it happened! But if they don't get 5th freedom on ICN-MNL, I think it will be hard for them. My mother flew LH to MNL s
30 Viscount724: Many also have a lot of baggage and will often choose the airline with the lowest excess baggage rates.
31 BrisseDK: Ha ha you might have a point there Regards, BJ
32 HT: The fact that nobody has answered that question yet might be due to the factthat nobody knows the answer ... With ICN-MNL being 1616 miles, would one
33 Viscount724: Depending on the turnaround time I can't see why that would be a problem. Many flights significantly longer than that operate with the same crew in b
34 JoFMO: With a tag on to MNL it would become a problem to bring back the plane with a daylight flight. They might have to change the flight to an red-eye one
35 6thfreedom: 5:55 PM FRA 11:25 AM+1 ICN LH 712 10:30 1:55 PM ICN 6:35 PM FRA LH 713 11:40 i was thinking the exact same thing. what's the impact on schedule if it
36 Jfidler: If this rumour is indeed true, how soon could we expect to see an official announcement from LH? Their current flights (via CAN) will be ending soon,
37 JoFMO: There is one fact that makes me think that this rumor is not true. LH already stopped selling tickets to MNL. It would be a rather stupid execution of
38 PRGDLGUY: looks more they need to have these a/c more in the air...... Honza
39 LHFADUS: yeah, you're right. I started with LH Oct.2000. Back then they still had the nonstop. Shortly after that, I believe Mar.2001, they reintroduced the s
40 HB-IWC: If this were ever to become reality, my money would be on something like this: FRA 2245 ICN 1615 ICN 1730 MNL 2030 MNL 0130 ICN 0630 ICN 0800 FRA 123
41 JoFMO: I don't think people would appreciate this. ICN is very far away from Seoul downtown. You would have to leave your hotl at least at 6 o'clock, when t
42 6thfreedom: HB, I'd have to disagree with you on this one mate. 1. long ground time in MNL. I think LH would want to turn the service around with one crew. 2. I'
43 Hugo: LH has served MNL for 26 years; KLM has served MNL for almost 60.
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