Revelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 10468 posts, RR: 20 Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2246 times:
Hmm I wonder if this was in the infamous business plan all along?
I could imagine this being much more preferable to taking a ship to international waters: you'd be there much quicker in the A380.
I'd love to see the proposed interior layout of this thing. One would hope the pax could walk around a lot more than the current cattle class layouts.
I wonder about weight: gambling apparatus is fairly heavy, but one can imagine AVOD technology could be used for video based gambling. Also pax would not have baggage on a flight like this.
In any case, I wonder if the weight requirement would drive the business case for the A380R?
I wonder if the plane would need to have a brig for pax that get out of hand?
A380US From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2358 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2215 times:
Quoting Revelation (Reply 1):
I wonder about weight: gambling apparatus is fairly heavy, but one can imagine AVOD technology could be used for video based gambling. Also pax would not have baggage on a flight like this.
Well i have a feeling it's by invatation only. and for whales (for the whale jet )
and it might be to transfer there whales beetween say NY to there casinos in LAS
or PEK to Macau
Revelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 10468 posts, RR: 20 Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2154 times:
Quoting A380US (Reply 2):
Well i have a feeling it's by invatation only. and for whales (for the whale jet
and it might be to transfer there whales beetween say NY to there casinos in LAS
or PEK to Macau
I think you are right, but I was thinking about this part of the article:
Quote: Casinos are outlawed in mainland China, but operators exploit strict laws there by providing gambling boat cruises out of cities such as Hong Kong into international waters.
So I was thinking of a scenario where the A380 would take off and land at the same place. I suppose you are right, you'd probably need to limit it tothe big rollers, or you would not make enough money to make it worthwhile.
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 21029 posts, RR: 60 Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2085 times:
You can do this with a 747, a much less expensive used one at that. Not sure why a brand new A380 is required? But it's an interesting use of an aircraft.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
WINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 70 Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2069 times:
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4): You can do this with a 747, a much less expensive used one at that. Not sure why a brand new A380 is required? But it's an interesting use of an aircraft.
Srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 16888 posts, RR: 51 Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1908 times:
Quoting Revelation (Reply 1): I wonder about weight: gambling apparatus is fairly heavy, but one can imagine AVOD technology could be used for video based gambling. Also pax would not have baggage on a flight like this.
More than likely, it probably would be a computer-based gaming. Not only for weight reasons, but also safety reasons (Could you imagine chips, balls and dice flying around the cabin?). One's bankroll could be put on a card (Similar to the game cards you use at places like Dave & Busters and ESPNZone) and the player would insert the card into the machine or into the slot at the table they are playing at. On table games, one would have an LCD touch screen in which one would place bets. Losses would be deducted from the card and winnings credited to it. When the passenger is done playing, they would take the card to the cashier's cage (or more than likely a self-service kiosk) and get their winnings (or what's left of their bankroll.).
Personally, unless the folks flying on these flights are either a.) willing to pay for a higher ticket or b.) willing to gamble a decent amount of money, the chances of an onboard casino being nothing more than a curiosity are high. Remember, back in the early days of the 747, airlines put things like piano bars and lounges on their 747s; some airlines even have them on the L-1011. As fuel prices spiked, those amenities went away as the airlines could make more revenue by adding more seats to the aircraft.
RedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4179 posts, RR: 30 Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1839 times:
Quoting Revelation (Reply 1): I could imagine this being much more preferable to taking a ship to international waters: you'd be there much quicker in the A380.
You'd be there much quicker, but the time to gamble could also be a lot less.
I don't see a lot of success in this business model. Most gambling venues are able to remove the sense of time and space from the gambler's mind. Just walk into any casino and you'll notice there are no clocks to be seen and just a few feet beyond the doors it's not readily apparent where the casino's physical limits are. It's all all a psychological game intended to eliminate distractions from the gambler's mind so that all they do is gamble and cocentrate on trying to win back every hand they keep losing. Regardless of the size of the A380, it's going to be difficult to remove from the patrons' minds the fact that they are in a large metal tube with only a few hours to blow their wad (or try to recoup it).
I think it might have some value to the large-stakes gambler. But then, if:
Quoting Srbmod (Reply 7): More than likely, it probably would be a computer-based gaming.
Then you can scratch that audience.
However, this is also a possibility:
Quoting A380US (Reply 2): Well i have a feeling it's by invatation only. and for whales (for the whale jet )
and it might be to transfer there whales beetween say NY to there casinos in LAS
or PEK to Macau
Dragon6172 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1160 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1792 times:
Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 8): I don't see a lot of success in this business model. Most gambling venues are able to remove the sense of time and space from the gambler's mind. Just walk into any casino and you'll notice there are no clocks to be seen and just a few feet beyond the doors it's not readily apparent where the casino's physical limits are. It's all all a psychological game intended to eliminate distractions from the gambler's mind so that all they do is gamble and cocentrate on trying to win back every hand they keep losing. Regardless of the size of the A380, it's going to be difficult to remove from the patrons' minds the fact that they are in a large metal tube with only a few hours to blow their wad (or try to recoup it).
On the flip side of that, you are putting people in a "gambling tube" for 10-12 hours with no where else to go. Not like they will be able to just leave the casino if they are not doing well after the first couple of hourse. So you just have to provide a way for people to access their bank accounts and get more money when the hands just are not going there way.
And if you can schedule it just right... maybe you can get stuck on a taxiway at JFK for an extra 3-5 hours of gambling
RedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4179 posts, RR: 30 Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1742 times:
Quoting Dragon6172 (Reply 9): On the flip side of that, you are putting people in a "gambling tube" for 10-12 hours with no where else to go. Not like they will be able to just leave the casino if they are not doing well after the first couple of hourse. So you just have to provide a way for people to access their bank accounts and get more money when the hands just are not going there way.
Very good perspective! I didn't think of that angle. But I presume they will put in lounges (or even business class seats) for one to relax, much as they do in any other casino. After all, no one can make you gamble, especially if you've already lost all your money and the house won't extend you any more credit! But I think your argument, as well as others', only points to the A380G(ambler) being a viable business model for only high-rollers.
Quoting Dragon6172 (Reply 9): And if you can schedule it just right... maybe you can get stuck on a taxiway at JFK for an extra 3-5 hours of gambling
Doubtful since AFIK New York doesn't allow gambling, especially on government property. Now, one could hope for delays because of weather or traffic which would result in a holding pattern of a few hours.
Eaa3 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 956 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1742 times:
There were some ideas about outfitting a 747 from Air Atlanta as a casino and flying it out of the middle east (i.e. rich guld states). The business case being that Muslims are not allowed to gamble and that they could simply take of, gamble for a couple of hours and land again.
Dragon6172 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1160 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1702 times:
Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 10): But I presume they will put in lounges (or even business class seats) for one to relax, much as they do in any other casino. After all, no one can make you gamble, especially if you've already lost all your money and the house won't extend you any more credit!
I agree with ya. But you know how casino's are. You would lose your cash, go and sit in your nice comfy seat to wait out the rest of the flight, and soon find that your PTV has video poker, and video slots. All you have to do is punch in that credit card number.
Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 10): Doubtful since AFIK New York doesn't allow gambling, especially on government property.
Ya, that was meant to come across with a lot more sarcasm!!
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