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Breaking: CO In Talks With AA Also  
User currently offlineZone1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1035 posts, RR: 7
Posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 14793 times:

I don't have a link, but the Wall Street Journal is reporting that CO is in talks with AA as well as UA for a possible merger. It just flashed on CNBC.

I'll put up a link when it appears on wsj.com


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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8544 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 14666 times:
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I think the WSJ has gone on a reality break - DFW and IAH coupled with JFK and EWR as hubs ? try getting that past the competition authorities ?


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User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 14622 times:



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 1):
I think the WSJ has gone on a reality break - DFW and IAH coupled with JFK and EWR as hubs ? try getting that past the competition authorities ?

I'm just curious as to why that is such an issue, obviously you can't merge DFW and IAH it could become something like LAX and Burbank.... but it's not like i know anything about this.


User currently offline102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 14596 times:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5545390.html

User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3411 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 14576 times:



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 1):
DFW and IAH coupled with JFK and EWR as hubs ? try getting that past the competition authorities ?

thats the first think I thought of too. Major anti-competitive issues with NYC alone. Don't forget that CLE and ORD are relatively close too.


User currently offlineContrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1833 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 14517 times:



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 1):
I think the WSJ has gone on a reality break - DFW and IAH coupled with JFK and EWR as hubs ? try getting that past the competition authorities ?

Agreed. I can't see the Justice Department approving that.



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User currently offlineCactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2442 posts, RR: 31
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 14520 times:



Quoting DL767captain (Reply 2):
I'm just curious as to why that is such an issue, obviously you can't merge DFW and IAH it could become something like LAX and Burbank.... but it's not like i know anything about this.

One airline having dominating both major airports in Texas and one airline dominating two major airports in essentially the same city.... someone would definately have an issue with that.......



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User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1124 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 14487 times:



Quoting Zone1 (Thread starter):
I don't have a link, but the Wall Street Journal is reporting that CO is in talks with AA as well as UA for a possible merger. It just flashed on CNBC.

They're running out of stuff to talk about.........more than likely they are talks about what CO/UA has to give up to AA to keep them happy and quiet.


User currently offlineZone1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1035 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 14465 times:



Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 3):

Thanks for the link. I think this is just CO trying to play UA a little. A merger with AA really doesn't expand their network that much. Both are relatively weak in Asia and strong to Europe. This would probably help US the most because UA would probably try to merge with US again. We would be left with 3 legacies then.



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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6052 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14257 times:

But talk about having a stranglehold on LatAm...the new carrier would definitely drop LatAm routes out of DFW in favour of the stronger IAH and MIA....jsut probably run hourly shuttles between IAH and DFW.....


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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5162 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14094 times:

IAH would suffer in this scenario - IF and thats a BIG IF (one in which I doubt), AA would probably be the surviving carrier with all but the lucrative international routes from IAH being cut. I don't think that the DOJ would allow DFW and IAH together along with NYC under this mega carrier. If IAH got the shaft...another airline would set up a hub op almost overnight.


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User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16824 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14090 times:

I can almost guarantee that these discussions are not about a AA/CO merger, rather than AA and CO dividing up UAL. CO will take over UAL and sell the NRT and LAX assets to AA in exchange for AA assuming a certain amount of risk in the transaction.


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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 13929 times:

This is a go no where merger.......

User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2692 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 13931 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 11):
I can almost guarantee that these discussions are not about a AA/CO merger, rather than AA and CO dividing up UAL. CO will take over UAL and sell the NRT and LAX assets to AA in exchange for AA assuming a certain amount of risk in the transaction.

Really...it is my understanding that UA has the cash on hand so maybe UA and AA are thinking about how to divide up CO...


User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 13925 times:



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 1):
I think the WSJ has gone on a reality break - DFW and IAH coupled with JFK and EWR as hubs ? try getting that past the competition authorities ?

Since when did JFK become a hub for AA? AA hub cities are Dallas/Fort Worth, Chicago O’Hare, Miami, St. Louis and San Juan, Puerto Rico. (Source: aa.com)


User currently offlinePavlovsDog From Norway, joined Sep 2005, 657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 13876 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 11):
I can almost guarantee that these discussions are not about a AA/CO merger, rather than AA and CO dividing up UAL. CO will take over UAL and sell the NRT and LAX assets to AA in exchange for AA assuming a certain amount of risk in the transaction.

I assume under this scenario CO sells LAX and NRT to AA to finance the deal, not because they want to. LAX is a big jewel in UA's crown and given the fact that the airport is maxed out it's value will only increase as slots become restricted.


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9295 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 13865 times:



Quoting United787 (Reply 13):
Really...it is my understanding that UA has the cash on hand so maybe UA and AA are thinking about how to divide up CO...

they have more than CO at least

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 12):

This is a go no where merger.......

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95% chance is UA didn't want to agree on something so CO is now "talking" to AA. Just like DL was "talking" to CO.



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User currently onlineRbgso From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 587 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 13766 times:

This is getting ridiculous.....I'm a bit tired of all these merger rumors. I agree with Mike Boyd, not all airlines have to merge. Unless somebody parks a substantial amount of metal, there will still be the same number of seats chasing the same number of customers resulting in the same amount of pricing/yield problems. And the parking of metal is not going to occur IMHO because the leasing companies/aircraft owners will lose more money with the planes sitting in Marana.

Synergies, economies of scale, and all the other arguments for merging often are overshadowed by the fact that the merger process usually ends up being one massive clusterf***.


User currently offlineDeltaflyertoo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1643 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 13755 times:



Quoting LHR777 (Reply 14):
Since when did JFK become a hub for AA? AA hub cities are Dallas/Fort Worth, Chicago O’Hare, Miami, St. Louis and San Juan, Puerto Rico. (Source: aa.com)

EXACTLY! Although such a combination doesn't make as much sense as a UA/CO....for the record, AA does NOT have a strong presence at all in NYC or JFK compared to what DL has at LGA/JFK and CO at EWR. This would be a huge addition to the AA network to have a well established hub at EWR to compliment ORD, MIA and DFW. I'm sure IAH would be downgraded signifcantly, but it was agreed on here all along that if AA gets pushed out of merger fever they were going to end up buying the assets of someone else anyway...most likely PHL or CLT from US....

Also, the fleet commonality would be a dead issue on this one as well.


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11454 posts, RR: 61
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 13676 times:



Quoting Deltaflyertoo (Reply 18):
for the record, AA does NOT have a strong presence at all in NYC or JFK compared to what DL has at LGA/JFK and CO at EWR.

That is patently false. AA is larger - by a significant margin - than Delta in the New York market overall. Delta is larger than AA at JFK, but AA is larger than Delta at both LGA and EWR.

The largest airlines in the New York market (JFK/LGA/EWR) are, in order: Continental, American, JetBlue, Delta.


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9295 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 13622 times:



Quoting Commavia (Reply 19):
The largest airlines in the New York market (JFK/LGA/EWR) are, in order: Continental, American, JetBlue, Delta.

Can we see a source? (i'm not calling you out on it but i thought that DL was larger than B6 in NYC)

DL hold the most slots for JFK/LGA though.



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User currently offlineBreaker1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 938 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 13625 times:



Quoting Deltaflyertoo (Reply 18):
EXACTLY! Although such a combination doesn't make as much sense as a UA/CO....for the record, AA does NOT have a strong presence at all in NYC or JFK compared to what DL has at LGA/JFK and CO at EWR. This would be a huge addition to the AA network to have a well established hub at EWR to compliment ORD, MIA and DFW.

Actually, AA surpasses DL in NYC in terms of passengers carried, and is second fiddle in the NYC area only to CO. B6 also carries more passengers than DL at JFK. DL has a large number of flights at both JFK and LGA, but more than 50% of the total are on RJ's. The DL presence at EWR is relatively small.



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User currently offlineIADLHR From Italy, joined Apr 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 13611 times:

I have think that CO/AA talking about mnerging is a ploy on the part of AA.

AA wants to merge with BA. There is not question about that. AA would likke the limits raised or an exmeption passed in congress passed so that AA/BA can merge.

So AA does all these somewhat passive aggressive tactics to get peoples attention, especially the regulators and members of congress.

It seems to have worked as I just heard on tv that Oberstar is going to call for hearing seven without any merger announced.It will soon get quite interesting.

In time, short time, discussion will begin to raise the foreign ownership levels in the USA so that we dont have the talk of all these mega mergers. I am not saying that the discussions, about the foreign ownership levels will be raised but that discussions will start very soon.


User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4002 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 13576 times:

AA + CO would be the Borg Cube airline.

User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11454 posts, RR: 61
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 13550 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 20):
Can we see a source? (i'm not calling you out on it but i thought that DL was larger than B6 in NYC)

http://panynj.gov/CommutingTravel/airports/pdfs/traffic/NOV2007_REG.PDF


25 CV880 : What is the point of AA purchasing any LAX assets, other than for more terminal space. AA already has unused SJC-NRT rights, which probably could be
26 Commavia : There isn't a point, short of terminal space and removing their single largest competitor (AA and UA are LAX's two largest airlines). SJC-NRT has bee
27 Post contains images Osiris30 : AA+CO would be so incredibly dominant. Bad in some ways, but I really would like to see my two favorite US carriers get together and crush the compet
28 NWADC9 : History will be bound to repeat itself? Where's TWA? Where's Reno Air? Where's Air Cal? Nowhere. AA ditched the planes, the employees-just about every
29 STT757 : The Fact that UAL has been shopping itself for the last couple years is common knowledge.
30 A330323X : US holds nearly twice as many LGA slots as DL or AA.
31 Post contains images DeltaL1011man : from what i understand alot of US slots are leased from NW. Anderson said this himself I'm pretty sure he would know.
32 A330323X : You understand wrong. Perhaps you're confused with DCA, where US does lease 24 slots from NW, but it's still not a large number.
33 Tugger : I think the key thing that AA needs to do is to be aggressive in getting an airline that another carrier covets just to protect itself. As has been po
34 Breaker1011 : Do you happen to have the actual numbers? I can see US having a few more than DL or AA at LGA, but having "twice" as many doesn't make sense. If they
35 Sh0rtybr0wn : Wonder if all the CO fans will start talking about how CO has even more name recognition than AA and how in a CO/AA merger the CO name would remain. A
36 Breaker1011 : Down-under (yes, AirMike serves Cannes but you can't get there from here), and the western United States (no hub) would be the only gaps in network c
37 A330323X : US has around 400 slots at LGA, and they operate around 200 flights; AA and DL each have around 200 slots and operate a bit over 100 flights. US is i
38 Post contains images EMB170 : Technically, doesn't that honor go to OO ?
39 BNinMSY : AA is not stupid .. they recognize the siginficance of IAH and the $$$$ there. They would not be dropping any of the profitable routes. But first off
40 DC8FanJet : There is considerable difference between United "shopping itself" and United "looking for opportunities". There is no question that since leaving Ch.
41 SFOQQAA : I can understand people saying the TWA merge was a mess. However, I don't understand why they talk about the AirCal, Reno Air mergers as these huge d
42 WorldTraveler : The whole purpose of this "discussion" between AA and CO is because CO doesn't like the terms it is getting out of UA and wants to strike a little fea
43 777gk : Many of the slots that are used by US are actually owned by Continental from New York Air days. Additionally, the East End Terminal at LGA was origin
44 LAXdude1023 : This isnt going to go anywhere. I also think that CO is just trying to play the field. Neither CO nor AA are going to get what they really need out of
45 PHX Flyer : Jeez, hold your horses, will you? The following is from a Forbes article from 9/7/2005: The price for a barrel of crude settled at $95.50 today, that
46 FlagshipAZ : Just from a fleet standpoint, this "merger" is the best fit. Both operate a vast fleet of 737NGs. Both operate a rather large fleet of 757s, with RRs
47 Mattnrsa : But the airlines successfully implemented significant fare increases in addition to raising fuel surcharges. Even with the sharp increase in fuel cos
48 DC8FanJet : In fact, airfares have gone up, quite dramatically. Both United and Continental have reported larger than industry average increases in RASM. I've be
49 Coronado : If you study the 10Q reports issued for the 3Q ending 2007 ( year end reports are still pending being posted) I find UAL Corp with about 4.1bn in cash
50 MAH4546 : No, they aren't. AA is the second largest airline at JFK, believe it or not.
51 FlyingClrs727 : So how to you make an AA 787 livery that looks like bare metal?
52 DeltaL1011man : thanks for the link......any way to get the same info for ATL? I do want to point out if you add the RJs in then we get: CAL....26,438,971 PAX AMR...
53 Tpaewr : I don't understand why you seem the be the only other one who sees this idea? I don't completely agree on the carve-up you outline, but the core fact
54 A330323X : Perhaps he meant if you combine JFK and LGA slots, in which case I believe DL would have the most indeed. But solely at LGA, it's US by a mile.
55 Ken777 : the biggest problem i see with a CO-AA merger is with the unions - especially in the area of pensions. With AA facing the contract negotiations they a
56 UnitedRU2011 : This is an interesting proposition, given the commonality of the near-all-Boeing fleets by AA and CO (save the A306 for AA). For Larry Kellner, Conti
57 PHX Flyer : Actually, I think the biggest problem I see with this transaction, is Congress. Aside from that CO and AA could have been talking about a lot of thin
58 PHX Flyer : Who ever said that fleet/engine commonality is something that makes or breaks a deal in any airline merger evaluation? Any merger partners have the m
59 SESGDL : Asia. A few flights from ORD, IAH, DFW, LAX, and NYC to Tokyo as well as EWR-PEK and HKG is not a significant Pacific network compared to what NW and
60 NorthstarBoy : How about this scenario, purely hypothetical: We all know AA is starting contract negotiations with their pilots and other work groups and the pilots
61 Post contains images WorldTraveler : Can I have some of whatever you took to come up with that, NorthStar? Them makes for pretty designs on the ceiling.
62 102IAHexpress : Hmm..Bankruptcy fraud. Why not? Look on the bright side, we all know the federal prison system is the nicest corrections system in America. Back on t
63 AlexInWa : I think Aeroflot should take-over all US airlines!!!! Leave us with 1 choice only, sooner than later!!!!
64 UnitedRU2011 : Yeah and violate Sherman Anti-Trust fund act. Monopolies never work in any kind of business, especially an airline business. Look what happened to AT
65 A380US : So then they can close either DFW or IAH but I think JFK and EWR would stay
66 Commavia : This is all purely hypothetical, as I completely agree with STT757 that this is nothing more than posturing on the part of Continental to put pressur
67 Kiwiandrew : sorry , could you explain what you mean by 'shudder' a hub ? did you mean to say 'shut' ?
68 JJeff : Hmm. Republican much?
69 Rockinflyer : Quite correct! And if it comes to pass, may CO be the survivor!
70 A380US : I actually thought B6 was bigger than AA guess not.
71 EMB170 : CO is most likely doing with AA what DL was doing with CO when Steenland started digging his heels in. NW wasn't acquiescing to DL's terms and conditi
72 LAXdude1023 : I cant imagine that IAH or DFW would change. But it doesnt matter since this isnt going to happen.
73 MAH4546 : At JFK, they are. IIRC, it goes like this: JFK: 1) JetBlue 2) American 3) Delta LGA: 1) American 2) Delta 3) US Airways EWR: 1) Continental 2) Americ
74 SESGDL : By mainline they are. Here are the latest numbers as of November 2007: including regional carriers. JFK/LGA/EWR: CO: 26,438,971 AA: 16,239,250 B6: 15
75 Commavia : Possible, I suppose, but I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Delta will overtake AA in the New York area anytime soon. They'd have to add a
76 Ikramerica : American Continental Airlines. ACA. Has a nice ring to it. But the merger is messy in terms of hubs. They would control a large part of the traffic in
77 Yellowtail : AA also hans that little WN fellow across town at DAL! Still IAH is a much better LatAm hub than DFW...just take two routes for example....PTY and BZ
78 Commavia : Huh? Not from what I've heard. BZE has been around and has been a solid performer from DFW for going on a decade now. PTY launched in 1999, and didn'
79 LAXdude1023 : Not true. IAH is a better Latin American hub, but everything else you wrote is false. The only thing IAH has better is Latin America, DFW is a much b
80 Yellowtail : It is daily only seasonally ..sometimes it is down to only 3X week...IAH is twice daily at a minimum...sometimes 4X daily...this is indicative of tra
81 DiscoverCSG : What part of CO's network could AA possibly want? IAH? Doubtful, since they already have a megahub in DFW. CLE? With ORD and STL nearby? Not much mor
82 102IAHexpress : More important than MIA? ORD? I know the Metroplex bends over backwards to support AA, but AA usually rewards the Metroplex with new international se
83 Dallasnewark : Are you judging the success of DFW's Latin American operations by some single marginal route? Makes as much sense as judging the AA's success in dome
84 Dallasnewark : It's a tough call against ORD. However it is more important than Miami and not only in terms of international service. MIA is a leisure destinations,
85 Yellowtail : I was using it as a snapshot to show that LatAm routes out of DFW work far less well for AA..than those same routes served out of IAH for CO....
86 Post contains links MAH4546 : Yet MIA is AA's most profitable hub on a per flight basis...must be all that tourist traffic. Believe it or not, MIA is a key business destination to
87 Post contains links Commavia : Absolutely. More important than both - combined. Again, DFW is - by far - the single most important market in the entire global network of the airlin
88 Dallasnewark : I'm sorry Mark, but Miami is not as improtant of a banking center as you think it is. None of the big 3 have any large presence in Miami, besides the
89 Post contains links MAH4546 : In terms of international banking, it is. I should have been more clear in the post, I wasn't referring to domestic banking, where it would be second
90 Post contains images DeltaL1011man : yea thats what it was sorry about that but good new for DL they will get 24 new slots at DCA soon close i bet DL passes B6 this year
91 MasseyBrown : Passenger count, maybe. Profits? The most significant money AA made in the third quarter was on transatlantic routes, based on DOT P-12 data for Q3,
92 LAXdude1023 : Think of it this way, If one of AA's hubs had to malfunction which one would cause the most damage? DFW is AA's bread and butter. MIA is the undisput
93 Avek00 : The DOT and DOJ have NEVER proved to be the stumbling blocks to any airline merger where all parties maintained a good faith desire to complete the m
94 Ocracoke : Who is this magical airline that has 100 airplanes sitting around in their backyard not doing anything, just waiting to set up a hub overnight? Umm..
95 Commavia : Well, first of all, segmenting profit and loss figures by geographic operating region is a lot different in segmenting them by hub, airport or market
96 Gigneil : Looking for a merger partner, yes. That doesn't mean they're going to be the second chair. UA has a lot more money than DL. NS
97 MasseyBrown : That's only true if you can print your own money, if you are a government. I won't argue that the regional profit splits that the DOT database offers
98 STT757 : So does AA, CO, NWA, US and WN.
99 LAXdude1023 : I highly doubt it, but infer that if you want.
100 CV880 : And a workforce of highly pissed off employees who have been shafted. It will be interesting to see the integration of UA & CO Employees as far as pa
101 Hondah35 : The match made in heaven would be US and AA. Hubs in PHL, CLT, PHX, LAS, ORD, DFW, MIA and focus cities in LAX, STL, BOS, SJU, LGA, DCA. Dump focus ci
102 EXAAUADL : why in the heck would you sell your most proditable asset?? Your statement beings up a point....this merger would never happen
103 EXAAUADL : hello.....UA/US was going to be blocked..the Fed Govt saved UA from itself
104 MAH4546 : Dump JFK and the new $1.2B terminal? I don't think so. AA/US would quickly dump PHL and LAS and let WN take over, IMO.
105 Avek00 : UA/US was going to be blocked because UA had stopped making good faith efforts to respond to DOT/DOJ information requests regarding the merger propos
106 EXAAUADL : If you think that CO/AA wouldnt be blocked think again...this whole thread is a waste of band width
107 LAXdude1023 : For the record, I didnt say that. No matter what happens DFW will remain what it is now.
108 MAH4546 : It's really not their most profitable asset. It's extremely important to the AA network, but it relies extremely heavily on AA's money losing domesti
109 EXAAUADL : JFK trans atlantic doesnt bring in any money on an annual basis and never has,,,MIA does.
110 LAXdude1023 : Do any of the legacies make money on their domestic network anymore? It almost seems like it doesnt matter the hub, domestic networks tend to lose mo
111 NYC2theworld : I honestly don't think AA would have six 777 flights from JFK-LHR and v.v. alone if JFK-LHR and v.v. wasn't making money. AA doesn't have a lot of 77
112 MAH4546 : NW and DL do, IIRC. Then again, DL loses money on their international operations.
113 MasseyBrown : AA and CO show domestic losses. 3rd Quarter Domestic Net Profit DL $199 million UA $142 million US $130 million NW $101 million AA $69 million loss C
114 102IAHexpress : Yeah, neither CO or AA make money on their domestic ops. So I wouldn’t suspect an AA/CO carrier to all of sudden focus its merged resources on big d
115 Commavia : It's hardly that simple. There is plenty DFW brings to the table that IAH doesn't. DFW has tornadoes (has a tornado ever once touched down on airport
116 Toxtethogrady : Actually, Houston has five runways, but who's counting? The master plan is for eight, and they are starting the environmental process for Runway Numbe
117 Post contains links 102IAHexpress : No, no tornadoes that I can think of, but.... DFW Weather Diversions (by Clipper471 Apr 6 2003 in Civil Aviation) Severe Weather In DFW Area Causing
118 Avek00 : I thought again, researched some of the relevant antitrust laws and past DOT and DOJ rulings and analyses, and am now more confident than ever the go
119 Commavia : Why must this always turn into DFW vs. IAH? This is not about one airport vs. the other, nor the merits of either. As I've said repeatedly, they are
120 102IAHexpress : Because we're talking about a merged CO and AA? Yeah, I can see the execs at CO and AA discussing this merger and then someone suggesting... hey why
121 LAXdude1023 : You really should put your bias aside. All airports have had weather diversions. Big deal, dont make it out to be that DFW is special in that catagor
122 Avek00 : Don't rule it out by any means.
123 Dallasnewark : In this merger, CO will not be a surviving entity, this in case will hurt the IAH if this merger goes through. I can't see AA downgrading DFW in any
124 Ckfred : I heard Ray Neidel on CNBC say that AA is just too big to buy another large carrier. The Feds won't allow AA to get bigger. On the other hand, AA coul
125 EXAAUADL : JFKLHR is the worst performing LHR market...please look at my screenname..it might tell you something...I can also gurantee you AA will never make a
126 Avek00 : Sorry to burst the bubble, but the sheer size of a postmerger company is, absent more, of minimal relevance to antitrust review. The size of a postme
127 EXAAUADL : All those things you mention are in fact dependent on the size of the post merger company....do you seriously think the ability to impose artificial
128 EXAAUADL : I was working for AA in mgmt when you were riding a tryke and was involved with UA/US back in 2000-01.
129 Avek00 : I know plenty about economics, and even more about the workings of antitrust law in the airline business, which I studied at length in law school. As
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