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Caribbean/Caribe/Caraibes Aviation Part 29  
User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6099 times:

NEWS

Caribbean Airlines has applied to do POS FLL and direct flights to the US from GEO. The airline is also expanding it regional ops with dash 8s.

Air Jamaica continues with its re organization before it is sold!
JM will pull out of UVF as of April 1
JM will focus on GND and BGI

LIAT to focus more on GEO

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Eagles Soar!
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User currently offlineBeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1768 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6084 times:

What do you all think is better B757-200ER or B737-900ER for a JFK - POS route.

User currently offlineBw415 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2007, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6078 times:

WOW!.. 8 days and a new thread has been started! Things are really bustling on this forum..  Smile

Quoting Beeweel15 (Reply 1):
What do you all think is better B757-200ER or B737-900ER for a JFK - POS route.

Well I mean it really depends.. doesnt it?.. That is a bit vague.. are we taking into account the current market with all the carriers and those soon to be in play?.. or are we talking about an upgrade for a particular airline?.. Believe it or not.. the 739 matches the cargo capability of the 757 depending on the fuel tank configuration.. and seeing that if its simply POS-JFK and not really needing the extra range auxiliary tanks may not be required and the 739 will have more cargo than the 757...

I would pick the 739 as they are of newer technology... more efficient and they wont be as difficult to fill as a 757...

Great news that 9Y-POS is on her way home  Smile... So I guess the next tail number for the next 737 should be GND again?.. or maybe something fresh like 9Y-SXM.. hopefully we will find out soon
 cheerful 
bw415



Caribbean Airlines the warmth of the islands
User currently offlineCaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2639 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6075 times:



Quoting Beeweel15 (Reply 1):
What do you all think is better B757-200ER or B737-900ER for a JFK - POS route.

Well since there is no 757-200ER, from what I know the 757 can haul more pax and some more cargo than the 737-900ER. It will be better for CAL, if thats what your asking, to operate the 737-900ER since it weights much less than the 757 and more than capable to fly the given range. If we are to go with CAL's configuration, the 739ER will haul about 177-180 pax. Cargo is slightly less with the 739ER, it depends on the amount of tanks needed. most likely 1 more tank will be added.



All ah we is one family
User currently offlineJM079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6072 times:

HummingBird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 210 posts, RR: 0


Welcome to this the 29th part guys!

But in response to the question posed by humming bird in the last thread, it is a natural reaction of unions to anything that is perceives to undermine there influence. I wholeheartedly supports the notion of a union. If it was not for unions in the past agitating for workers rights in the past then we would not be where we are today.

But let us face reality. Unions can be very inflexible and as a result of that it has cause many business to fail and employees to loose there jobs. I believe that the union in Trindad was an albatross on the back of BWIA.

Severe economic conditions dicates that all parties should demonstrate a great deal of flexiblity. JM does have some excellent employees as I have dealt with them on so many occasions expecially those in the Toronto Airport office


User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6052 times:



Quoting JM079 (Reply 4):

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I wish JM the best of luck, I know it is a painful process going on now but unfortunately it is something that has to be done.

Regards
BWIA 772



Eagles Soar!
User currently offlineJM017 From Jamaica, joined Jun 2002, 1227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6031 times:



Quote:
"We are saying to the company (that) any changes of this sort must be properly discussed, and you must justify these changes. From our point of view and based on the expertise that we represent at Air Jamaica, any of these changes would (negatively impact the airline) and put in a worse position. Our members are presently on watch because, if Air Jamaica's management tries to implement this schedule without (the proper dialogue) then there will be an immediate shut down of the airline," he said.

Hmm, this is nice. The Union wants a asay in the schedule the airline puts out. If the airline were cutting jobs and the unions protested, that is expected. And the union would be failing in their mission if they did NOT protest. But this is different. The airline is trying to become profitable again. Aren't airline operations a bit out of their purview?



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User currently offlineBW985 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Nov 2007, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6014 times:

What does it mean for an aircraft to have eyebrows removed?
BW985


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9903 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5997 times:



Quoting Bw415 (Reply 2):
I would pick the 739 as they are of newer technology... more efficient

I would also go for the 739ER but mainly because of the shared technology with their current 738 fleet. When cargo is an important factor which I think it is for a Caribbean airline, they 757 will still beat the 739ER because of its larger cargo hold. I think the 757 also has more powerful engines compared to the 739ER, correct?

Quoting Caribbean484 (Reply 3):
Cargo is slightly less with the 739ER

This is indeed the setback of the 739ER in my opinion. Here are the figures of the 739ER compared to the 757-200 (Boeing.com):

Boeing 737-900ER:

1,827 cu ft (51.7 cu m)
1,673 cu ft (47.3 cu m) w/aux. tank
1,585 cu ft (44.9 cu m) w/2 aux. tanks

Boeing 757-200:

1,670 cu ft (43.3 cu m)


Ranges comparison:

Boeing 737-900ER:

3,200 nautical miles (5,925 km) - two-class layout, 2 aux. tanks.

Boeing 757-200:

3,900 nautical miles (7,222 km)

Caribbean Airlines' longest route is approximately 4,069 km (POS-YYZ) so the range isn't really the issue. Like I said if cargo is an important factor, than the 757-200 is slightly more capable as the 739ER might need more fuel tanks meaning giving up (precious) cargo space.

Unlike the better performance of the 757-200 I also think the 739ER is better suited for Caribbean Airlines.

A388


User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5995 times:



Quoting Bw415 (Reply 2):
Great news that 9Y-POS is on her way home Smile... So I guess the next tail number for the next 737 should be GND again?.. or maybe something fresh like 9Y-SXM.. hopefully we will find out soon

I think we'll likely see GND, and UVF or SLU before we see SXM. We could even see PMB before a SXM. Although the 9Y-SXM does roll off the tounge nicely.

Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 5):
I wish JM the best of luck, I know it is a painful process going on now but unfortunately it is something that has to be done.

Definitely, painful, but it is also painfully REWARDING in the long-run!
ANyone knows what kind of compensation the redundant workers will receive? Is it anything as generous as what the GoTT offered BWIA through VSEP?

Quoting BW985 (Reply 7):
What does it mean for an aircraft to have eyebrows removed?

The eyebrows are two windows above the main row of windows. Removing this apparently removes some minor weight, and mainly reduces maintenance. Aso makes the a/c look more modern which is supposed to help distinguish it from older generation 737s!

Quoting Beeweel15 (Reply 1):
What do you all think is better B757-200ER or B737-900ER for a JFK - POS route.


Personally I think the 739ER is better suited than the 757 based on efficiency. However the two are so similar, you kind of need to take into account other factors. Which airline, what are the current loads etc...
For an airline like CAL, i'd say 738 for commonality, but probably neither since while being aggressive they are still conservative in their outlooks.
For DL which has a vast 757 fleet, perhaps the 757 is better suited as they could adjust capacity at low times and sub in the 757 when demand is high.
For the charters, the 757 might be the better option since it has lower lease rates/ acquisition costs (although they are still VERY high since 757 are in high demand these days).

So it really depends on the various factors that go along with the route. But in terms of pure efficiency, my vote would be with the 737-900ER.
I am open to being corrected though if someone has crunched the numbers!

AA1818



“The moment you doubt whether you can fly, you cease for ever to be able to do it.” J.M. Barrie (Peter Pan)
User currently offlineCaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2639 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks ago) and read 5962 times:



Quoting A388 (Reply 8):
Caribbean Airlines' longest route is approximately 4,069 km (POS-YYZ) so the range isn't really the issue. Like I said if cargo is an important factor, than the 757-200 is slightly more capable as the 739ER might need more fuel tanks meaning giving up (precious) cargo space.

Range is a huge issue for Caribbean Airlines. YYZ is 2200nm, now the 737-800 with limited weight will fly 3000nm in perfect weather condition. However, we have to take into consideration, their 738s are high density aircrafts with according to my friend can fly 2500nm and flying to YYZ, is considered pushing the limit for the aircrafts. CAL has some of the longest route sector on a narrow bodied aircraft in the world.
The 739ER needs the range to get there too. It may be no problem, but they have to take into account cargo, baggage and fuel with the extra auxiliary tank. My friend at CAL said that the 739ER will need the extra auxiliary tank to fly all of its current routes.



All ah we is one family
User currently offlineAlbird87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks ago) and read 5958 times:

with JM being sold, I have to wonder how long it is till we may see other carib airlines follow suit! down here at KX i know that the airline aint profitable with over 300 staff and not with the confusing schedule we have here!
however tho i can maybe see a silver lining....

Virgin has expressed interests in taking over JM and the possibility of another virgin carrier is still on the cards.
Virgin Caribbean could work very well for Virgin Atlantic and also Virgin America.

A 'VC' could actually profit from taking over JM, and KX routes and based in Kingston/Miami. Codeshares with both Virgin sister companies (presuming V-america will be in MIA soon) and flys routes from the southern florida to points across the carib at prices that can be very competitive to the likes of AA and maybe grab more customers from the AA empire!
also 'VC' could link other smaller carib islands that V-Atlantic dont/cant fly to meaning more possibilites for tourists on islands they can visit in trips.
Routes for 'VC' would be from the carib would definately go to MIA/JFK and also hopefully FLL with other flights being added on throughout the expansion of it.
Fleet can consist of 2-3 different aircraft. A320s/19s to mainland USA (maybe needs 757s to JFK) and other good stronger yeilding carib-carib routes.
ERJ-190s then for intracarib routes and maybe the possibility of dash 8s or ATRs for smaller islands also!

also with the chance of this becoming sucessful, the likes of CAL being purchased to increase its expansion and have a greater influence over the carib.
I know that it sounds aweful and how we all like the fact that there are soo many little airlines puttering around the Carib but I would just like to hear some thoughts about this....
feel free to grill or comment about this!


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9903 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks ago) and read 5954 times:

Quoting Caribbean484 (Reply 10):
Range is a huge issue for Caribbean Airlines. YYZ is 2200nm, now the 737-800 with limited weight will fly 3000nm in perfect weather condition.

With the 738 yes, range is an issue. With the 739ER or 757-200, no it's not an issue. That is what I meant.

A388

[Edited 2008-02-15 18:55:52]

User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5937 times:



Quoting Caribbean484 (Reply 10):
CAL has some of the longest route sector on a narrow bodied aircraft in the world.

Please, check the following distances and one would see that CM's PTY-GRU, often flown with B737-800 with no weight penalties, is far longer than POS-YYZ. I aslo included the EZE and MVD distances so to compare how long a B737 could be flown.
POS (10°35'43"N 61°20'14"W) YYZ (43°40'38"N 79°37'50"W) 337° (N) 2197 nm
PTY (09°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) GRU (23°25'55"S 46°28'10"W) 135° (SE) 2741 nm
PTY (09°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) EZE (34°49'20"S 58°32'09"W) 156° (SE) 2879 nm
PTY (09°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) MVD (34°50'18"S 56°01'51"W) 154° (SE) 2941 nm
(From Great Circle Mapper)

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 11):
Virgin has expressed interests in taking over JM and the possibility of another virgin carrier is still on the cards.

There has been some rumors that VS is talking with CM lately and everything has to do with that increased VS presence on the Caribbean.



I don't work for COPA Airlines!
User currently offlineCaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2639 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5926 times:

Ok. DL got approval to do JFK-GEO from June 16th 4 weekly.
Caribbean Airlines should get its approval this week too. And wants to do non stop as soon as approval is given.
Caribbean Airlines also should be given approval next week for FLL. Service should commence March 9th 4 weekly.



All ah we is one family
User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5921 times:



Quoting Caribbean484 (Reply 14):
Caribbean Airlines should get its approval this week too. And wants to do non stop as soon as approval is given.
Caribbean Airlines also should be given approval next week for FLL. Service should commence March 9th 4 weekly.

Great news! I really hope they slaughter DL on this route! hehe
Hope CAL gets the approval for FLL. I think the GEO and FLL expansion might be the tipping point that forces them to get a 7th 737-800! Especially since this summer, POS-JFK is double daily on CAL!

AA1818



“The moment you doubt whether you can fly, you cease for ever to be able to do it.” J.M. Barrie (Peter Pan)
User currently offlineBeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1768 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5883 times:

Now with the 737-800/900ER finalized as the narrow body type for the fleet and the EMB190/145 for the RJ routes.

Lets go wide body for long range ops should I go with the A330-200 or A340-500/600 or both vs the B787-800 or 777-200ER/LR or 777-300ER or both.

As for the hub POS was mentioned more for business where as KIN/MBJ was for more tourism now adding to that mix what about ANU and BGI and which is best for both tourism and business.

Speaking of hubs MCI was looked at but where else is good to hub in the US with out directly going one on one with the mega carriers.

You got you home work lets see the results for this test.


User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5877 times:



Quoting Beeweel15 (Reply 16):

Lets go wide body for long range ops should I go with the A330-200 or A340-500/600 or both vs the B787-800 or 777-200ER/LR or 777-300ER or both.

A332- good airplane, but assuming there is some sort of lag time in this then the 787 will probably be a better choice. Also, why in the world would you pick the A34X over the 777 family. Ask CX and QR why they are replacing their A346 with 77Ws!?! It's because the 777 kills the A340 in terms of efficiency, fuel burn, pax and cargo, not to mention range. But the Caribbean won't need such a large a/c so we could get interim A332s as u suggested and then get 787s or A350s.

Also I think E190 and Dash8Q400 or ATR-72-500 would be a better combination! for RJs.

POS- definitely business hub, MBJ definitely tourist hub.
KIN- secondary business hub, BGI secondary tourist hub.
VFR, Connecting traffic and some O&D to POS and KIN.
With onlypoint to point O&D from BGI and MBJ.

What do u think?

AA1818



“The moment you doubt whether you can fly, you cease for ever to be able to do it.” J.M. Barrie (Peter Pan)
User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9903 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5870 times:



Quoting AA1818 (Reply 17):
It's because the 777 kills the A340 in terms of efficiency, fuel burn, pax and cargo, not to mention range.

Why in the world would you pick the 77W over the A350XWB family? The A350XWB will kill the 777 in terms of efficiency, fuel burn, pax and cargo, not to mention range. Just wait a few years longer to get your hands on the A350-1000.

A388  Smile


User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5865 times:

Hi Guys- here is a message from a Trini at Caribbean ALPA! I've decided to post it here since it contains some very telling information.


Quote:

Hi ! I've been a follower of Airliners.net Caribbean aviation threads for quite some time now. Just want to let you know that CAL's flights to CCS are now ready to be booked. The flights start on March 9th. The flight operates daily. Persons travelling from Caracas can connect on to CAL's flights to JFK and YYZ. But the fares aren't the best I've seen at all. CCS-JFK one-way starting at $856.40USD tax included and CCS-YYZ one-way starting at $875.70USD tax included.

Here is the Schedule for the CCS flights:

Flight #: BW300
Route: POS-CCS (Non-Stop)
Departure Time: 7:05am
Arrival Time: 8:15am
Duration: 1hr 40mins

Flight #: BW301
Route: CCS-POS (Non-Stop)
Departure Time: 8:55am
Arrival Time: 11:05am
Duration: 1hr 40mins


P.S I'm hoping to get a Airliners.net username some time soon, so you'll have another Trini on the thread...LOL...poor BWIA 772



Quoting A388 (Reply 18):
Why in the world would you pick the 77W over the A350XWB family? The A350XWB will kill the 777 in terms of efficiency, fuel burn, pax and cargo, not to mention range. Just wait a few years longer to get your hands on the A350-1000.

If the 77W sized a/c was required then it's the only a/c in it's clas for almost 10 years. The -1000X isn't firmed yet! Hence why Boeing is playing the wait and see with it's own 'larger' twin.

Of course the A350XWB would be considered, but in that class of aircraft, the A350-1000 is probably waaay too late. Much like the 787 and A350 might be if the airline had the need for long haul aircrafts now.

AA1818



“The moment you doubt whether you can fly, you cease for ever to be able to do it.” J.M. Barrie (Peter Pan)
User currently offlineBW985 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Nov 2007, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5860 times:



Quoting Beeweel15 (Reply 16):
Lets go wide body for long range ops should I go with the A330-200 or A340-500/600 or both vs the B787-800 or 777-200ER/LR or 777-300ER or both.

What's wrong with the B767-400?
BW985


User currently offlineVoodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2093 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5857 times:

Is this the extent the amount of CAL paint that will be applied to Dash 8s?
Looks too sparse to me.

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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9903 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5852 times:

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 19):
If the 77W sized a/c was required then it's the only a/c in it's clas for almost 10 years.

Don't worry AA1818, Airbus is not that stupid to cancel the A350XWB at this point of stage and risk losing its credability. It will be firmed up. So no, the 77W is NOT going to be the only a/c in its class in the coming 10 years. The 77W might be the best aircraft in its class now but why invest in an aircraft of which the replacement aircraft or new generation aircraft in that category are already offered now?

Economics of aircraft are more important in the end so let's see. Let time decide.

A388

[Edited 2008-02-16 04:07:55]

User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5842 times:



Quoting A388 (Reply 22):
Don't worry AA1818, Airbus is not that stupid to cancel the A350XWB at this point of stage and risk losing its credability. It will be firmed up.

I never said they were going to cancel it. I simply said it's not firm, that's a fact!

Quoting A388 (Reply 22):
So no, the 77W is NOT going to be the only a/c in its class in the coming 10 years.

Well if I had an airline that needed that sized a/c now, I certainly wouldn't order the A350-1000 for delivery in 2018. I'd order the 77W for delivery in 2.5 years!

Quoting Voodoo (Reply 21):
Is this the extent the amount of CAL paint that will be applied to Dash 8s?
Looks too sparse to me.

It is sparse, but those Dash8's are used primarily on the POS-TAB hops, so no need for any real elaborate scheme. Hopefully if CAL establish a greater regional presence then they would update the livery a bit more, but for the time being only
POS-TAB (a lot!)
POS-BGI
BGI-GEO
POS-CCS and
TAB-BGI
will see the aircraft.

AA1818



“The moment you doubt whether you can fly, you cease for ever to be able to do it.” J.M. Barrie (Peter Pan)
User currently offline9YCAL From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2008, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5831 times:

Here are the three aircraft types Bwee operated at one point or the other on the domestic POS/TAB/POS route in addition to the Tabex flights.


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JAT airways DC-9

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The Cimber Air ATR-72 OY-CIP

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Falcon Air Express B727-231 N64346


25 9YCAL : Sorry guys, but the pics did not come out, first time trying to put pics here. The pics could be seen at jetphotos.net
26 Caribbean484 : Restrictions in cargo, and not as competitive as the A332. Knowing the CAL management, they will go for the A332 before they go with the B764. Also,
27 AA1818 : Knowing CAL management they will not opt for any widebodies for at minimum 5 years!! hehe and that is a very optimistic guess! Cheers for finding tho
28 TriniA340 : The 787 will be the best choice for widebody service, but for the near future [2-3 yrs out], the A330-200 is no question, the most obvious choice. Tho
29 A388 : Like I said, it depends on the economics and what strategy you have. Even if you need a 77W sized aircraft now it might be worth it to wait a little
30 MD90fan : LOL, the chances of a Virgin xxx company getting 757s is slim to none, so is the chance of them getting turboprops. They do huh? Tell that to CO, who
31 Post contains images 9YCAL : 9Y-POS was half way in the hanger when I passed by the airport this afternoon. I took a pic but It came out blurry. Hopefully someone would have pics
32 MKE22 : Does anybody have any info on the new PUJ planned runway?
33 Post contains images Beeweel15 : Well they might get the B737
34 AA1818 : I like that idea. The SDQ-HAV thing only with 5th freedom from SDQ. I also think the E190 would be good for CCS, AUA, CUR. PTY would have been a good
35 BW985 : That's why I was thinking of the B-767-400ER for now, which could be replaced with 77W or 787 in the future. I think a 764 could be delievered quite
36 A388 : Look, I don't say two different things, the 77W is the only solution in its category yes. But to say that it is the only solution? NO! Why? Because t
37 AA1818 : But my point is Airbus isn't the only option. If you need the 77W sized a/c NOW, then you have to lease a 77W and Boeing could offer whatever its rep
38 A388 : I understand that, of course Airbus isn't the only option. I'm just saying that if Airbus or Boeing can offer a attractive package, including the lea
39 AA1818 : I agree with the rest of what you said. But this made me smile. Airbus: Here CAL, take these A330s, they don't have the range to do XXX-YYY, but that
40 Post contains images A388 : AA1818, do you know the A330 range? Check that out before talking about lacking range capacities. If you are talking about the A330 lacking range, th
41 Post contains images Bw415 : Could we actually revert to some "real-world" aviation rather than avation that would exist when pigs fly or when Hazel Manning starts running CAL?..
42 Post contains images A388 : True but it is nice to have some fun discussing these fantasy aircraft for a Caribbean airline, no matter which one. We all know what we are discussi
43 Caribbean484 : I have to agree with A388, all widebodies made withing the last 30yrs have the range to do CAL's operation, I think AA1818 may be referring to the A3
44 Post contains images A388 : AA1818 and I were discussing widebody aircraft as he also referred to the A330 but as I said the A330 meets all longhaul route requirements for Carib
45 AA1818 : It is funny to read the comments! Don't jump onto that high and mighty horse just yet. You were the one who spoke about the A330s lacking range and j
46 A388 : You're making a lousy impression. I never said the A330 was lacking in range on the Caribbean Airlines longhaul routes. You came up with that yoursel
47 AA1818 : I don't understand how that disproves my point. you said that they would offer CAL more A330s to make up for the lack in capacity or range, i'e a lac
48 AA1818 : Apologies for hijacking the thread for A388s and my disagreement! Hope we didn't ruin anyone train of thought etc. Now that DL has been approved for G
49 JM079 : No one in this thread seems to be aware of the merge talks and if they are then no reference or any discussion has accur about it. But Northwest and D
50 Bw415 : hmm I beg to differ.. the only merger worth even harping over is NW and DL.. as its the only thing in stone.. CO and AA are not looking to merge from
51 8B775ZQ : SKN Express not SKB Air is doing just fine. I gave an update 2 forums ago. Since that time I've not heard anything much on the airline thought they se
52 8B775ZQ : Delta is due here shortly. All the preparations are in place check-in counter etc. and the staff has been trained.
53 AA1818 : I couldn't agree with you more. The mergers in the US will affect the Caribbean minimally. For example, DL/ NW won't alter DL's tactics out of JFK an
54 BWIA 772 : Caribbean Aviation Thread has always been one where arguments have always been discussed passionately. What was always our saving grace was the abilit
55 HummingBird : Jamaica has signed an Air services agreement with Spain..... JA signs air travel deal with Spain Sunday, 17 February 2008 Jamaica has signed an Air Se
56 SJOtoLIR : According to the Great Circle Mapper: POS-IAD: 1904 nm ** POS-GRU: 2213 nm ** ** Distances are indicated purely as straight line. This information ma
57 Post contains links JM079 : With due respect guys, I think that you are way off mark and is not seeing the big picture. The American aviation sector is in big trouble especially
58 Post contains links JM079 : I came across this video in the data base on Aviation Video of the ATR from Aer Arann on take off from Dublin airport http://www.flightlevel350.com/Ai
59 Post contains links MD90fan : The E-90AR has a range of 2,400nm. AC uses E-90s routes such as YYZ-SAN/SEA. http://www.embraercommercialjets.com...ntent/ejets/emb_190.asp?tela=rang
60 Post contains links BWIA 772 : Caribbean Thread Administration Announcement This will be the last thread that I post for a little while!! It's been nice but due to work and along wi
61 8B775ZQ : AA1818 the SKN Express fleet now stands at 2 DO328 JET aircraft. DL's first scheduled flight landed here on Saturday 16th. They plan on having a x1 we
62 MD90fan : Think you can go and take pictures?
63 8B775ZQ : No problem. I was actually planning on making a trip to RLB Intl. on the weekend to get some pics. Thing is the SKN Express jets are parked on the apr
64 9YCAL : 8B775ZQ, so the airport has an area where you can go watch the planes and possible take photos? I would be in St Kitts some time this year and it woul
65 Post contains images Bw415 : Please let us know when and where you put these up.. very interested to see... You raise valid points in your arguement but I still am not convinced
66 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : Correct. The E90 AR fully packed and configured with 98 seats is capable to do that. By the way, AC YYZ-SEA is 1790 nm ** with E90. AC YYZ-SAN is 187
67 8B775ZQ : 9YCAL the viewing area is not on airport grounds per se. Theres a road directly parallel to RWY7 that goes to the entrance to the control tower. There
68 Beeweel15 : Well as the New York Lotto slogan goes " YOU NEVER KNOW " AA is flying the route mainly to eliminate compettition. Once that is complete STN will be
69 MAH4546 : That statement is not at all accurate. While it is true that part of the reason they are doing this to fend off compieition, the other part is to for
70 Beeweel15 : What about Luton. AA had access to that airport before the open skies agreement and could have flown it at their pleasure.
71 MAH4546 : The three major London airports are LHR, LGW, and STN. Yes, there is Luton, and London City, those are not part of the "Big 3." So what? At that time
72 9YCAL : Thanks 8B775ZQ for the information about SKB.
73 Post contains links HummingBird : North American Airlines to Discontinue International Scheduled Service to Lagos, Accra and Georgetown Tuesday February 19, 7:00 am ET Will Redeploy Ai
74 JM079 : This is a confirmation of what i have talked about in my earlier posting as factors such as high fuel costs and the impending merge in the US aviatio
75 AA1818 : JM079, I have just edited what i said...I see your point. With NA being forced to close the route, it created an opportunity for Caribbean Carriers (a
76 HummingBird : Meeting called to avert industrial unrest at Air Jamaica Tuesday, 19 February 2008 With the threat of industrial action still hanging over the nationa
77 Bw415 : Cyah cyah cyah.. their demise is a blessing that isn't even required to be disguised..the only reason they are cancelling this route is because they
78 JM079 : These are very tenuous times for Air Jamaica as both management and union need to be mindful of the fact that any industrial action will affect the co
79 Captaink : Sincerely hope not. NA 757s are very uncomfortable, very tight pitch, and the birds are aging. Passengers weren't pleased to fly NA's 757s when JM us
80 Lucianflyboy : When did this happen? I haven't been on for a while. Not the first time..and I'm sure not the last time. Maybe AA will upgrade there JFK-UVF service
81 Yellowtail : Maybe Virgin should buy both CAL and JM......Virgin Caribbean has a nice ring to it...
82 Beeweel15 : Not making money most nights at JFK that flight is full. Every time I go upstairs from dispatch there are times when you would think you at Piarco wi
83 9YCAL : At least CAL would be able to make some money on the route. If they go with daily non-stop flights from GEO to the US, they would need to get more air
84 Bw415 : Not really sure what you are trying to say.. but if i understand correctly you are saying that their flights are always full.. but flights being full
85 Bw415 : Sorry about the double post.. but I think with the resignation of Fidel Castro will really shake up Caribbean tourism as we know it and we should disc
86 Post contains images Inbound : Just a quick mention, CAL's Dash8, 9Y-WIP will be coming out with a new paint scheme. What is now on 9Y-WIT is probably not the final scheme they will
87 Post contains images Bw415 : I cant stop smiling!!.. this is such great news.. ppl who are in POS please get on this ASAP!! I wonder if its a new bird that will be gracing the ta
88 Post contains images Speedbird2263 : This is really testing the proverb that "Behind every dark cloud there is a Silver Lining". Sam Cooke sang "its been a Long time coming but I know a
89 Caribbean484 : Full flights do not mean they making money on the route. Yes they may be full, but how much money are they making on the route, are fares enough to c
90 Caribbean484 : So Inbound what are the plans for the Dash, more regional routes? What about CAL, more 737s soon, with Nonstop GEO and 4 weekly FLL?
91 9YCAL : That is great news! I can't wait to see 9Y-WIP in the new livery.
92 Trintocan : As usual, a lot is going on in regional aviation. NA's departure from GEO is probably not merely a response to BW and DL opening new routes - after al
93 JM079 : My deep sentiments too. JM has so much possibilities and everytime that it is set to reap some well deserve rewards there are these factors that will
94 8B775ZQ : SKN Express still mainly flies the SKB-SXM route only and this is a weekends only charter for shoppers. When they do begin regularly scheduled flying
95 Xtoler : As GEO is concerned with the pull out of North American, what do ya'll think are the chances of DL going to GEO? I haven't heard anything from DL othe
96 MAH4546 : Delta starts flying to GEO in July. They struggle enough as is on ATL-POS. Three U.S. cities can support GEO non-stops: JFK, MIA, and FLL.[Edited 200
97 Xtoler : I know when my wife and her family came to the US in 1980 from GEO they didn't have a lot of money. Actually, at the time they had to go through MIA
98 JM079 : Cuba has always been an enigma within the Caribbean as it, and I am agreeing wholeheartedly, that is a virgin frontier and American companies can not
99 AA1818 : I agree with you somewhat. I think that Jamaica also has a lot to loose with regard an 'open' Cuba. Cuba offers great beaches like the Bahamas and Do
100 Bw415 : Man you making total sense with that last post!.. I think that is a very valid point in that each island really has a niche market going..didn't real
101 AA1818 : I think the GEO-JFK route has potential for both CAL and DL. Obviously I hope CAL crushed DL, but I definitely think that the route will continue to
102 Mbj-11 : Again let me come in with more info: Reason why union and management are at loggerheads is that the union got favours from the previous admin in relat
103 9YCAL : What ever happen to CWIA? They were to start operations at the end of last year. They trained people, they had uniforms for cabin crew etc.. ( I dont
104 Caribbean484 : DL had a load factor of about, 61% for the 8 months of 2007. They carried 27174 pax, during this time, and 43848 seats available. This is from the DO
105 Caribbean484 : I don't know, I know that they were having problems with applying for their Air Operators license. I think so too, I believe that this will give CAL
106 AA1818 : While 61% is no great shakes, it's not 'shambolic' to coin one of my mate's favourite words! I haven't noticed any fare sales, so i'd imagine they ar
107 Post contains images Speedbird2263 : I really had a good chuckle at that one Let's hope the Irony goes a little further in that his late arrival spurs greater concern to turn things arou
108 Caribbean484 : DL don't advertise much their ATL route, neither their JFK. They depend on online bookings and fare sale. When i took away the summer pax, they had a
109 Captaink : I agree with you on most points. But I think that the destinations that will suffer the most with Cuba competition would be the small southern Caribb
110 Post contains images JM079 : Cuba is very popular with the Europeans and that is where there tourist comes from and Cuba also is a favourite destination for most Canadian as it w
111 Post contains links JM079 : http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5545390.html This is a report on the merge talk that is going on between the main line carriers in the USA.
112 Captaink : That I know, but they already go there, there are no sour diplomatic relations between Canada, Europe and Cuba. So I don't suspect we would see much
113 AA1818 : Tourism in western Europe did survive- thanks in a large part to the booming Asian economies. Right here in Cambridge at peak times to get to and fro
114 2travel2know : No need to say which airline has that market slightly covered now. And I'm not referring to MIA's and SJU's mighty airline. There'll be the day Carib
115 AA1818 : It would be a great link to have. but until a deeper trading and other relationships are forged with Brazil I don't see it happenned. I would quicker
116 2travel2know : If Caribbean is to offer immediate good connections @ POS, Brazilian flights could work. An airline doesn't need that much O/D when it runs a hub ope
117 Captaink : POS is situated a very good location to operate a a southern hub. But the sad situation that is that most South American cities have direct flights t
118 HummingBird : Interesting.................... Unions demand to be included in Air Jamaica changes Wednesday, 20 February 2008 Trade unions representing workers at A
119 AA1818 : Ihonestly don't think that they will fill the planes, far less for the ticket prices/ yields. Probably better to route them through POS- do GEO as a
120 Caribbean484 : Hey guys, there is word that JM is going to stop fly BGI-FLL soon. Can anyone confirm this.
121 2travel2know : Don't like to offend anyone here with this comparison but PAP supports twice weekly PTY flights and it could support an additional one. GEO which is s
122 Post contains links JM079 : I am adding this piece of info found in another thread which I think will add to our discussion about the consolidation in the USA aviation industry.
123 9YCAL : They just show 9Y-WIP on tv on news, it sweeeet! People are going to like it. Caribbean Airlines written along the fuselage like d 737s and on the tai
124 Shadez : Would not be too surprised, loads have not been all that great on that flight. Pretty funny, because for a while they were talking about how well it
125 9YCAL : Just got some more information. The tail has the humming bird,a hibiscus,a palm tree branch, a balizay(spelt incorrectly)two maracas or chac-chac. It
126 Caribbean484 : Yes and this is why I'm not getting at all. When I checked Amadeus.net, they showed 3 weekly still, and BGI getting 8 weekly JFK. A reliable source s
127 Caribbean484 : Hey guys, I just got some info: Caribbean Airlines will have 2 daily non stop to JFK year round and 9 weekly flights to YYZ. They are preparing for FL
128 AA1818 : Great news, nice to see CAL expanding and also being able to maintain the expansion. I'm hoping for a POS-KIN non-stop flight sometime in the future,
129 SJOtoLIR : CM 275.......PTY 12:10........POS 16:02.........E90..........Mo, Th, Fr, Sa CM 274.......POS 17:15.......PTY 19:10..........E90..........Mo, Th, Fr,
130 2travel2know : Looks good for those from POS who want to come do weekend shopping in PTY Th to Mo.
131 AA1818 : Cheers for the info. Glad to see it's looking more and more likely that they won't delay it again! AA1818
132 Captaink : The article is no longer available, but if it is along the lines of your excerpt, than I can understand the gist of it. And yes, it seems as though t
133 Beeweel15 : They already have two flights a day. Did you mean 3 flights a day.
134 AA1818 : From what I gathered those 2x daily flights were a 'new' thing since Christmas (is that correct?). I think he was implyint hat rather than reduce cap
135 JM079 : Of course it would affect our region but the flip side to this major consolidation is that it presents a unique position for the airlines from the Ca
136 Post contains links and images Bw415 : This article was in Wednesday's Business Express about the Dash 8 paint scheme http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_business?id=161281734 T
137 Captaink : It would affect our region, I never said anything to contrary, I specifically said that it may NOT have a NEGATIVE effect on our Caribbaen Carriers,
138 Post contains links Inbound : Well it seems you're right. I got a better view today and it's exactly as you say. I don't mean to be bias, but I think this is going to be one of th
139 Caribbean484 : For the Christmas and carnival, they were running 13 weekly flights to JFK, from March, they will be running 14 weekly permanently till Christmas thi
140 Post contains links TriniA340 : I think this is a great idea. I hated the lame, boring scheme on the first repainted Dash 8. It is in Today's Trinidad Newsday. For those of us who h
141 AA1818 : Beat me to the punch! That would be sweeeeet...those images are really nice (some of them!) I'd imagine the before his departure Peter Davies paved t
142 Post contains links AA1818 : Sorry for the double post, but CAL has also just updated their website (routemap). http://caribbean-airlines.com/pyt/plan-your-trip.shtml I e-mailed C
143 JM079 : Yes, this is another route that they have eliminated from there system as the GDS as well as the JM website no longer shows any departure from FLL to
144 AA1818 : So far Jm are cutting KIN-EWR KIN-BON KIN-UVF BGI-FLL Any others potentially on the chopping block. It seems as if they are chopping poorly and margi
145 Captaink : Seems so indeed. Seems that they are really intent this time on making it work. BTW it is MBJ/EWR and BON, but I suppose you were just referring to J
146 AA1818 : Cheers for clarifying that. I had just assumed it was KIN that had those services. Do the Eastern Caribbean services continue to MB or KIN? AA1818
147 Captaink : They go to MBJ, that is where the great bulk of JM US services fly from, in the afternoon we have them all MIA, FLL, ATL, PHL, ORD, JFK, BWI, etc. Fr
148 JM079 : The other change that was undertaken recently was to upgrade the ORD MBJ flight to an A321 and reduce the service to 5 days a week. The schedule depa
149 Caribbean484 : Ok, so what I can't understand is last year they were bosting about the FLL-BGI route, so what happened? Its good however, to see the management maki
150 AA1818 : What's the current fleet numbers at JM? Are 757s still coming? Are the A340s still operating or have they been taken out of service? I'd expect JM to
151 Post contains images LimaMike : Good questions indeed. Presumably some of the aircraft freed up as a result of the route cuts will be dispatched to other routes which will see incre
152 Post contains links and images JM079 : Go to www.airjamaica.com to view there route and aircraft but this is what it is showing: Air Jamaica Proudly Flies State of the Art Aircraft Air Jam
153 AA1818 : No, this was something that was talked about a lot. Jm replacing the A321s with 757s. Back when they were talking about getting 734s and 735s. Cheers
154 HummingBird : I heard some bad news, but will keep my fingers crossed until it is confirmed..........Lots of changes ahead.......
155 AA1818 : You can't say that and not share!! I'm guessing it pertains to the ATRs! Please tell us... AA1818
156 Mbj-11 : I noticed Zoom have started their service in KIN with a 767-300. Tourism Minister Bartlett is grinning from ear to ear as he says the numbers have sho
157 AA1818 : I thought EWR was to be cut by JM? Will this be CO serving EWR-KIN? Guys- the suspense is killing me!! From the context clues, my guess would be that
158 LimaMike : Zoom had been operating YYZ-KIN seasonally since 2006, with a 763. Interestingly their current weekly Thur service has lasted much longer than previo
159 Post contains links AA1818 : This is very close to us, so I thought i'd post it here...my thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families... Santa Barbara's ATR Just
160 Post contains links and images Captaink : Well that was with the previous CEO, the new boyz at the top did not revisit the idea of the 757s. In fact, last season around they did not even use
161 Caribbean484 : OK guys, I just did a calculation of load factors for the main airlines in POS for the first 8 months of 2007, Caribbean Airlines: America Airlines: 1
162 AA1818 : Hmm, in w way I'm glad the A321s will stay for now! CAl did the same thing this Christmas/ Carnival being strict about baggage and had far fewer left
163 Captaink : American Airlines therefore can be considered the most important airline to the US for Trinidad? There numbers are quite high for a MIA only operatio
164 AA1818 : I agree- I'd love to become CEO of CAL someday (Dreams of Grandeur!!). Hopefully will get experience at a larger int'l airline first (much like Davie
165 Caribbean484 : They carry more pax out of POS because they have more seats available, Caribbean Airlines had only 2 flights to the US, shared with GEO. AAs 767 and
166 AA1818 : Yes, AA is the most important carrier for POS. Their connection possibilities are endless from MIA, and MIA is still perhaps the most important route
167 MAH4546 : Miami-Port of Spain is arguably the most important business route for all the Caribbean.
168 AA1818 : (Trini pride swelling). I would have to agree there. POS is the most important financial and business centre in the english speaking Caribbean, and i
169 Post contains images JM017 : NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! No Trini pride!!! (delusional Jamaican response) I strongly disagree. Obviously KIN..[Edited 2008-02-22 17:46:49]
170 AA1818 : hehehehe...I have a feeling you and i will get nowhere if we tried to hash this one out!! let's let MAH4546 decide. hahaha Deep down inside you know
171 Post contains images JM017 : No you're right. I have a co-worker (from St. Vincent) who has said something I have been saying for years: "You Jamaicans focus too much on tourism.
172 Caribbean484 : Hey guys, since I had some time, I did one for KIN and MBJ too with JM, DL, CO and NK for the first 8 months. Air Jamaica- 637136 pax, 901172 seats, 7
173 Beeweel15 : Well what you waiting on go get it. Who knows what if you get an offer to run an airline that would compete with and maybe buy BW. Lets hope if after
174 AA1818 : Gov't would much rather have a local running the airline. The amount it is costing the Gov't in salaries for Davies and Sunders etc. However, no one
175 Beeweel15 : I look forward to you getting your experience so you can take over operation BW.
176 JM079 : I have been following the ongoing discussions in the USA about the possible merge of the main line carriers with great interest as I feel that aviatio
177 Post contains images Captaink : [/quote] A proposition that was visited time and time again, that has been discussed on this forum time and time again, and I think we are still in th
178 AA1818 : I think the reason we will never see a true 'Caribbean' airline is simply the reason for having a so called local airline is to run essential routes.
179 TriStar_500 : Well I am a fan of the Air France KLM type of tie up. IMO I think that such a tie up will over come alot of the political opposition to consolidation.
180 Par13del : Well that is what LIAT and BWIA was supposed to be, but in true colonial fashion, we screwed that up, business is business and politics is politics, j
181 Captaink : BW did try the Express thing, and it wasn't that bad, their Q Dash 8s were noticeably more comfortable than the competition, and the flights were qui
182 Par13del : As is always the case, at least when we shut down our locally subsidized airlines to save money and allow foreign carriers to provide all our interna
183 AA1818 : Not that many. The AA Eagle SJU-POS flight is most O&D. Not that many connections. if any at all. The fares are definitley not charges as connecting
184 JM079 : I beg to differ but perhaps you are not aware that Caribbean Airlines, ie JM BW LI all corordinated there operation to allow people who were travelli
185 Caribbean484 : Not exactly, It was the TTCAA that mandated that TabEx not fly regionally since their a/cs were not up to international standards. i.e, It had no pro
186 TriStar_500 : There is quite a bit of commerce between the islands!! If there was not that much commerce then CAL would not be plying POS BGI SMX/ANU KIN. Or would
187 Beeweel15 : From what I have been hearing it is a done deal.
188 AA1818 : Mods, please lock this thread! Cheers AA1818
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