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DL+NW Impact On SLC?  
User currently offlineHappydad From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 9 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4421 times:

If DL+NW merge, what are your thoughts on SLC? I realize there are some comments in other threads, but felt a dedicated thread to this topic would be helpful.

A few of my thoughts:

1) I don't see decreases at SLC. I see potential for increases

2) Assuming CVG and MEM have reductions, perhaps some mainline flights would be reallocated to SLC. I wonder if some new destinations will be added. I miss SLC to BDL. What new destinations are on your list?

3) I see increases from SLC to DTW and SLC to MSP. Maybe increases on existing routes (e.g. 3rd non-stop to BOS).

4) What about NW's SEA to NRT? Any chance this would be shifted to SLC? True there is much more O&D from SEA to NRT, but SLC might be able to feed more connecting passengers to this flight

5) What about NW's SEA to HNL and OGG? Since SLC has these routes, I'm not sure anything changes. Unless these flights are eliminated with the aircraft deployed to SLC for new Hawaii flights (e.g KOA).

6) I wonder about SLC to CDG. I see the merger increasing the chance of this flight being successful. Hard to me to see much more SLC to Europe (with ATL, MSP, DTW and JFK to Europe). Maybe (if KLM gets involved in the deal), a SLC to AMS. However, wonder if there is a bigger chance for flights to Japan, China and Australia.

7) Does this change anything for SkyWest?

Your Thoughts?

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User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1695 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4398 times:

As long as it is a DL/NW merger, I see no cuts at SLC. With DL currently flying a MD-90 on both DTW and MSP, I could see an upgrade to 1x 757 and 1x CR9 for both. I have mixed feeling about NW moving their SEA-NRT to SLC-NRT. Maybe DL would start a 777 daily if it was needed. You are very true when you say there would be more connections. I could even see a SLC-AMS some day.


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User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4362 times:

[quote=Super80DFW,reply=1] I have mixed feeling about NW moving their SEA-NRT to SLC-NRT. Maybe DL would start a 777 daily if it was needed.

I could see the addition of SLC-NRT down the road, but SEA-NRT is one of their "Bread and Butter" legs. Somebody correct me, but NW has had that route for years.

[Edited 2008-02-15 19:56:17]


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User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1695 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4316 times:



Quoting Iflyatldl (Reply 2):
Somebody correct me, but NW has had that route for years.

I think it has been around for a while because I thought NW flew a 742 on it for a while. Correct me also!



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User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4287 times:



Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 3):

Quoting Iflyatldl (Reply 2):
Somebody correct me, but NW has had that route for years.

I think it has been around for a while because I thought NW flew a 742 on it for a while. Correct me also!

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That's what I was thinking. I think SEA has always been an Asian gateway for NW. I know they used to do some routing via ANC, but that was years ago.



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User currently offlineMason From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 748 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4275 times:

No way NW would shift NRT service to SLC (or Hawaii, for that matter). The O&D in Seattle can sustain those flights, any connecting pax from AS are a bonus, and most now go through PDX. SLC will remain a domestic/Mexico hub, much like DEN is now. This is the reason SLC was chosen as a hub in the first place, because of its central location. Any expansion plans will have to take ramp space into account, and the hot/high conditions would make most west-bound Asia flights weight restricted. Remember, in most cases, for a city to gain service, another city must lose service, or see service reductions. Bottom line: in order for SLC to see much more in the way of expansion, serious terminal upgrades are needed.

User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1695 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4253 times:



Quoting Mason (Reply 5):

I definitely agree with you! SEA will not lose service for SLC.



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User currently offlineCoronado From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1177 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4247 times:
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NWA still has a strong code share with Alaska --that further enhances the Seattle - NRT routing. I don;t see that changing going forward. I think NWA and Alaska have more in common from serving the NW region of the USA than a Alaska/United link up.

John



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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3105 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4161 times:



Quoting Happydad (Thread starter):
4) What about NW's SEA to NRT? Any chance this would be shifted to SLC? True there is much more O&D from SEA to NRT, but SLC might be able to feed more connecting passengers to this flight

The route will be 10x weekly this summer, mostly with strictly O&D traffic. It's not going anywhere. Furthermore, the 332/767 might be a struggle on SLC-NRT.


User currently offlineEVA777SEA From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4046 times:



Quoting RwSEA (Reply 8):

The route will be 10x weekly this summer, mostly with strictly O&D traffic. It's not going anywhere. Furthermore, the 332/767 might be a struggle on SLC-NRT.

In fact, a merger with DL allows them to put a larger aircraft on the route besides the 747.


User currently offlineKbdude From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3934 times:

How about NW's PDX-NRT daily flight? Could that shift to SLC?

User currently offlineDoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3414 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3919 times:



Quoting Kbdude (Reply 10):
How about NW's PDX-NRT daily flight? Could that shift to SLC?

Doubt it and don't really see the point. Does SLC have ANY appreciable O&D to Asia? I'd expect to see UAL go to NRT from DEN long before anyone went to Asia from SLC. As long as a combined NW/DL maintains their relationship with AS/QX, most of the west will have access to Asia.



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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4079 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3696 times:



Quoting Happydad (Thread starter):
I don't see decreases at SLC. I see potential for increases

Probably over time fewer CRJ-100/200s with larger CRJs and slight increases in mainline. The biggest inhibitor to growth at SLC is the lack of mainline gates than just about anything. The salt Lake City Department of Airports can finally start implementing their new general plan and replace the old terminals with something new in the next few years rather than the ongoing patch-work that we've all seen.

Quoting Mason (Reply 5):
Bottom line: in order for SLC to see much more in the way of expansion, serious terminal upgrades are needed.

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Quoting Mason (Reply 5):
No way NW would shift NRT service to SLC (or Hawaii, for that matter). The O&D in Seattle can sustain those flights, any connecting pax from AS are a bonus, and most now go through PDX.

 checkmark  If anything I see DL eliminating any and all connection carrier service between SLC-SEA and have all flights be strictly mainline, most of which will have an AS code-share. The PDX-NRT flight if anything is done in the more immediate years ahead will probably originate at SLC and become an SLC-PDX-NRT flight. I don't see SLC getting a stand alone NRT flight for several more years.
As for Hawaii service, SLC will retain SLC-HNL on a 764ER for the foreseeable future, and SLC-OGG will be on a 752. All other DL/NW Hawaii service from the far west will be via LAX, SEA or PDX and perhaps SAN. The additional outer islands (KOA, LIH) will be via LAX perhaps with an SLC origination on a 752.
With additional SEA and PDX seats on mainline aircraft, I think WN might have their hands full!  hypnotized 

Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 1):
With DL currently flying a MD-90 on both DTW and MSP, I could see an upgrade to 1x 757 and 1x CR9 for both.

I see significantly increased mainline service to both MSP and DTW from SLC. This will be a priority network adjustment for the combined carrier.

Quoting Mason (Reply 5):
SLC will remain a domestic/Mexico hub, much like DEN is now. This is the reason SLC was chosen as a hub in the first place, because of its central location

Mexico and Canada and quite possibly some seasonal service to a few spots in the Caribbean will be the primary use of the SLC hub for the combined carrier. While not the huge O&D numbers that DEN, PHX and LAS have, SLC is actually similar to what PDX has number wise.

Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 1):
You are very true when you say there would be more connections. I could even see a SLC-AMS some day.

I think it will be a horse-race between AMS and LGW/LHR for the next TATL destination beyond the forthcoming SLC-CDG flight for SLC.



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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3691 times:



Quoting Happydad (Thread starter):
What about NW's SEA to NRT? Any chance this would be shifted to SLC? True there is much more O&D from SEA to NRT, but SLC might be able to feed more connecting passengers to this flight

No, maybe a onestop from SLC



All I see are more flights in the conduit markets of SLC-DTW/MSP...maybe no more RJs to MSP...Mainline 4x daily. DTW mainline 3X daily.


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3684 times:

Yes, I see SLC-AMS in the summer at least.

User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4079 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3681 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 13):
Quoting Happydad (Thread starter):
What about NW's SEA to NRT? Any chance this would be shifted to SLC? True there is much more O&D from SEA to NRT, but SLC might be able to feed more connecting passengers to this flight

No, maybe a onestop from SLC

If it does anything right now, it could become a SLC-PDX-NRT flight, but as I eluded to above, I don't see an SLC-NRT stand-alone flight for several more years.

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 13):
All I see are more flights in the conduit markets of SLC-DTW/MSP...maybe no more RJs to MSP...Mainline 4x daily. DTW mainline 3X daily.

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User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2092 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3502 times:

Everyone seems quite optimistic about SLC. There is still a possibility that it will become the new STL. I suspect that it will remain a domestic RJ and turboprop hub but I do not see it getting new flights, particularly international. It would not happen right away, but I suspect that flights would slowly migrate to MSP.

User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3105 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3412 times:



Quoting AADC10 (Reply 16):
Everyone seems quite optimistic about SLC. There is still a possibility that it will become the new STL. I suspect that it will remain a domestic RJ and turboprop hub but I do not see it getting new flights, particularly international. It would not happen right away, but I suspect that flights would slowly migrate to MSP.

I dunno about that. SLC is pretty far west to be considered a competitor to MSP. While they serve some similar markets in the Mountain West, SLC is for west-bound traffic and MSP for east-bound. Even if the combined carrier were to start a hub on the west coast, that would still leave a pretty significant gap in between LAX/SFO/SEA and MSP.


User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1695 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3336 times:



Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 12):
I think it will be a horse-race between AMS and LGW/LHR for the next TATL destination beyond the forthcoming SLC-CDG flight for SLC.

Hey, I think every city should have a flight to London! Big grin But with the NW's hub at AMS, I really believe AMS would come before London, unless BA started service in about a week or so.



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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4079 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3198 times:



Quoting Happydad (Thread starter):
wonder if there is a bigger chance for flights to Japan, China and Australia.

NRT is a possible eventuality, but Australia, the rest of Asia and the far east will likely go to LAX and/or SEA. Both will have terrific feeds from SLC, much as JFK has from ATL now.



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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4079 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3054 times:



Quoting Happydad (Thread starter):
Does this change anything for SkyWest?

I suspect SkyWest is heavily involved in this overall negotiation since most likely they will takeover Compass.



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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6483 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3050 times:



Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 20):
I suspect SkyWest is heavily involved in this overall negotiation since most likely they will takeover Compass.

I haven't heard one hint of that happening or of SkyWest being involved in the negotiations. Where did you get that info?


User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4079 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3037 times:

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 21):
I haven't heard one hint of that happening or of SkyWest being involved in the negotiations. Where did you get that info?

My neighbor is a pilot for OO, and the scuttle around his shop is that Compass will be part of the deal.
But also I'm hearing in the Salt Lake Tribune:
http://www.sltrib.com/ci_8282168

Quoting SLTribune:
SkyWest also is looking for ways to grow in size. The company historically has gotten bigger by winning new flying contracts from other airlines.
But in 2005, it bought Atlantic Southeast Airlines from Delta. More acquisitions are not out of the question, Childs said.
"I don't know if there is a regional carrier that is better prepared than SkyWest," Childs said.



[Edited 2008-02-17 13:27:41]


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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6483 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2980 times:



Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 22):
My neighbor is a pilot for OO, and the scuttle around his shop is that Compass will be part of the deal.
But also I'm hearing in the Salt Lake Tribune:

Thanks for your source, but I don't think a pilot for SkyWest would have any knowledge of merger talks, in fact pilots are probably the worst of rumor sources.

The Salt Lake Tribune article doesn't even mention compass.


User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4079 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2949 times:



Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 23):
The Salt Lake Tribune article doesn't even mention compass.

Keep in mind the companies involved are going to be very secretive about any ongoing negotiations and specifics, and everyone's official spokesman will refuse to comment on specifics until the merger is officially announced. So hence the forward part of my remark ("suspect") is purely speculative as well, but at least you're now thinking of this as a possible likely outcome



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25 Nomadic : I flew NW SEA-NRT r/t in 1983 and I suspect is was operational well before that. nomadic :?)
26 SlcDeltaRUmd11 : everyone is realistic. its the only western hub of the combined carrier, it has the least overlap of any of the other hubs, and delta is VERY happy w
27 Post contains images SLCUT2777 : Then why is State Sen John Valentine (R-Orem) and the Utah Legislature putting an incentive package together for Delta? SLC may be profitable, but no
28 CV880 : While You're awarding the Hawaii routes, please keep in mind that NW still does operate SFO-HNL with a 753. SAN already is served by HA/UA/AQ on Hawa
29 SlcDeltaRUmd11 : Huntsman said the airlines are mostly conducting talks on their own, but IF the city's status as a hub appears threatened, he's willing to consider s
30 Gigneil : I also see huge growth for SLC in a combined airline. Its far better positioned to provide a lot of the midwest connectivity that Minneapolis is a lit
31 MAH4546 : Don't hold your breathe for that one. British Airways at SLC when they've dropped out of Detroit, Charlotte, Pittsburgh, and San Diego? I don't think
32 LambertMan : Frontier or Jetblue could move in, but they most likely wouldn't have an operation nearly as large as what American has in St. Louis, which at last c
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