Ramzi From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 21312 times:
Boeing4ever From United States, joined Apr 2001, 4159 posts, RR: 26
Reply 285, posted Fri Nov 23 2007 07:06:13 your local time (2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9111 times:
Quoting Pmurr (Reply 285):
Was the frame written off ?
Does anyone know ?
Airbus has indicated that A340-642X MSN 856 F-WWCJ is written off. EY has cancelled the deposit for this specific frame and will not be taking delivery.
There will come a time when you believe everything is finished - that will be the beginning.
B747forever From United States of America, joined May 2007, 16575 posts, RR: 11 Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 21281 times:
Quoting Ramzi (Reply 1): EY has cancelled the deposit for this specific frame and will not be taking delivery.
Being of the technical side of things in this world, all I can definitively say is that this aircraft is scrap. The financial aspect is between the insurers, EY, and Airbus.
I'm not sure if the deposit is fully cancelled and the money returned to EY, or if the order is simply listed as not filled and moved into the back of the line of production slots. What is known, is that MSN 856 is written off and EY won't pay for it.
Ravel From Finland, joined Feb 2006, 137 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 20647 times:
Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 3): Being of the technical side of things in this world, all I can definitively say is that this aircraft is scrap. The financial aspect is between the insurers, EY, and Airbus.
So the question still remains: where is it now? And are there any photos after the accident?
N14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2314 posts, RR: 25 Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 20579 times:
It is forbidden to take photos at Airbus's facilities. Furthermore, you can imagine that Airbus as well as Etihad were not interested in further picture of the accident.
Boeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 20578 times:
Quoting Ravel (Reply 4): So the question still remains: where is it now? And are there any photos after the accident?
Whatever's left of it is definately still in TLS. By now I'm sure Airbus has picked all the non-damaged parts off of it, though the whole airframe likely suffered from a harsh deceleration (in layman's terms it hit something very fast, which can cause stress throughout the airframe, not just the readily visible crumpled parts). Someone in TLS provided photos on A.net scene.
Scenes of the post-mortem...well, I wouldn't be surprised if Airbus kept that away from the public. But someone from TLS would probably be better able to find out for sure.
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9286 posts, RR: 13 Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 20338 times:
Quoting MattRB (Reply 7): There are pictures, and they are out there. Needless to say, it wasn't pretty.
They are asking about 'after' it was removed from the blast fence.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
Breiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1808 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 20005 times:
Quoting Ravel (Reply 4): So the question still remains: where is it now? And are there any photos after the accident?
Here is some statement made on another website by a French spotter on Nov. 24th, 2007:
"A340-600 of Etihad has been removed from "Bikini" area yesterday afternoon...
The aircraft has been covered by black canvas on the titles and tail. He is now at the same place where the A380 msn 5000 was. Member of the Old Wings of Toulouse I could, this morning, see the aircraft in front of me... and he is not so be good. Engines 1 & 2 are completely destroyed, as the first section of fuselage and cockpit (as we knew ). Under the tail, the fuselage structure is very damaged. Engines 1 & 2 pole mounted are damaged as Iberia aircraft... So bad to see this aircraft today
No photos are possible due to more investigations and Airbus protocol. Security is very hard at this moment..."
And on Dec. 6th, 2007:
"Etihad A340-600 has been hangared for more investigations... No parts are visible"
777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3036 posts, RR: 3 Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 19844 times:
Chuchoteur From France, joined Sep 2006, 700 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 19504 times:
Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 6): Whatever's left of it is definately still in TLS. By now I'm sure Airbus has picked all the non-damaged parts off of it, though the whole airframe likely suffered from a harsh deceleration (in layman's terms it hit something very fast, which can cause stress throughout the airframe, not just the readily visible crumpled parts). Someone in TLS provided photos on A.net scene.
The airframe is a write-off.
It is located in a hangar on the St Martin site, where the A320 assembly line is.
The investigators have concluded their inspection of the airframe, and it is currently waiting to know its fate following the insurers decision on what they wish to do.
You are incorrect in assuming that elements may have been removed from the airframe, in essence you are not allowed to do anything with the airframe/parts during the investigation, and subsequent decision by the insurers.
The Hangar is sealed off not only for privacy reasons, but also to prevent any bits going missing, be it during the investigation or subsequent insurance negotiation.
Boeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 19178 times:
Quoting Chuchoteur (Reply 11): You are incorrect in assuming that elements may have been removed from the airframe, in essence you are not allowed to do anything with the airframe/parts during the investigation, and subsequent decision by the insurers.
Well I forgot that the investigation is/was still ongoing. But otherwise, the airframe is written off. Sooner or later, what's salvagable will be parted out and what's left will be scrap.
AF1624 From France, joined Jul 2006, 572 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 14939 times:
Huh I'm really sorry but, what crash are we talking about ? It seems I've missed something... When and where did it happen ? I did search and found nothing... not in the related topics anyway.
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9286 posts, RR: 13 Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 14804 times:
A380US From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2358 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 14723 times:
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9286 posts, RR: 13 Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 14654 times:
Jcf5002 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 288 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 14548 times:
What was the status of the crew on board after this happened? It probably didn't feel too good when they nailed the blast wall...
Its always a sunny day above the clouds || CSEL, CMEL, CFI, CFII
SOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3022 posts, RR: 17 Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 14213 times:
Question:
If Etihad did not officially took delivery of the plane,why is the heading states Etihad Crashed?The plane was still Airbus.
If X... company is delivering my new car registerd under my name,it's the car company responsability for the car.
As i still not in physical control of the car.
Am i right or wrong?
[Edited 2008-02-16 18:02:07]
I am against any terrorist acts committed under the name of Islam
Jcf5002 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 288 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 14163 times:
Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 20): If X... company is delivering my new car registered under my name,it's the car company responsibility for the car.
As i still not in physical control of the car.
Am i right or wrong?
True, but you're still going to ask them: "Why did you crash MY car?" As opposed to: "Why did you crash your car that I ordered from you?" Although you (they) had not yet taken delivery of the vehicle, I guess it would still be referred to as yours...
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Breiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1808 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10496 times:
Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 20): Question:
If Etihad did not officially took delivery of the plane,why is the heading states Etihad Crashed?The plane was still Airbus.
If X... company is delivering my new car registerd under my name,it's the car company responsability for the car.
As i still not in physical control of the car.
Am i right or wrong?
As far as I can understand from the various reports, Airbus had completed all required tests on the ac at the time of the accident, and it was Etihad's personnel which was performing Etihad's acceptance tests prior to delivery.
So, yes, the car was still the property of Airbus, but it was not Airbus which drove it and crashed it.
An interesting situation for lawyers and insurance underwriters.
EK156 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2005, 765 posts, RR: 3 Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10109 times:
Quoting Breiz (Reply 23): As far as I can understand from the various reports, Airbus had completed all required tests on the ac at the time of the accident, and it was Etihad's personnel which was performing Etihad's acceptance tests prior to delivery.
So, yes, the car was still the property of Airbus, but it was not Airbus which drove it and crashed it.
An interesting situation for lawyers and insurance underwriters.
You're telling me that Etihad Pilots crashed the plane???? This is interesting... where did you find that?
Also how Etihad react after their Pilots crash their brand new A346!!! The pilots most probably are still in shock!!!
Also call me stupid but can someone explain to me why the engine test was done with the nose towards the blast fence and not away from it??? Why would anyone perform a full throttle engine test towards a blast fence and not away from it???
25 Analog: But when? A week later? No. A month? A year? If your car dealer delivers your car a year late you'd expect some compensation. Etihad can sue Airbus f
26 Zeke: I believe it was Abu Dhabi Aircraft Technologies, the maintenance contractor that EY used, and owned by the same people who own EY from what I unders
27 Dispatchguy: That is correct. When the America West Airbus slid off the northern PHX runway back in 2002, it sat outside the America West hangar for months (title
28 Breiz: As I wrote, it is my understanding. And it was not Etihad personnel (sorry) but Abu Dhabi Aircraft Technologies personnel o/b, 7 of them with 2 Airbu
29 777STL: Someone beat me to it, but as you can see, such a contingency is outlined in the sales contract.
30 Revelation: My guess is that this is just part of the risk Airbus accepts (and insures for) for all planes before they are delivered. The situation is more like
31 Analog: What if an aircraft is destroyed before it's complete? It's not an aircraft yet... Who sets the rates? If the space cannot otherwise be rented (there
32 Revelation: I don't know. In our case, we were interested in buying the hulk back from the insurance company, so we let the matter drop. I imagine it's up to neg
33 ABpositive: Is this classified as an official A340-600 hull loss, or since it was during testing phase is doesn't count?
34 Rivet42: According to my records this aircraft had made its first flight on 21st September, almost two months before the incident, so it was very definitely a
35 Viscount724: It's one of the 4 A340 hull losses to date (fortunately all non-fatal) but it's not considered an Etihad hull loss since they hadn't yet taken delive
36 Zeke: No according to ICAO an accident/incident is only deemed to take place when an aircraft is going for a flight. Ground based accidents on the ramp or
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