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Will The Name NWA Now Desolve?  
User currently offlineLearjet23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10865 times:

I have been flying this A/L for 54 Years, even married a F/A back in the early eighty's who I met while she was running NW-01 to MNL... (she liked flying much better than putting up with me) I feel like a big piece of my heart is about to get torn out..... I'm just so used to this being my airline and knowing many of the flight numbers and routes. When you get to be an old playa' like me you get used to loosing many things that you always considered permanent. I sit here and can not swallow the fact that it's all over for this old friend. I understand she's getting married and changing her name.... But no more Northwest Airlines? sup' wid dat!

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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10870 times:



Quoting Learjet23 (Thread starter):
I understand she's getting married and changing her name....

Take it easy... she's not been asked yet nor has she said yes... an't no ring on anyones finger yet.



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6449 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10849 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1):
Take it easy... she's not been asked yet nor has she said yes... an't no ring on anyones finger yet.

Yea but she is out running around.


User currently offlineFlyingClrs727 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 10714 times:

Will the Japanese government allow the transfer of Northwest's 5th freedeom rights at NRT? If not, I wouldn't be surprised if the Northwest name surives for routes to and from NRT.

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22737 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 10680 times:



Quoting FlyingClrs727 (Reply 3):
Will the Japanese government allow the transfer of Northwest's 5th freedeom rights at NRT? If not, I wouldn't be surprised if the Northwest name surives for routes to and from NRT.

I'm not aware of any traffic rights anywhere in the world that require the name of the airline exercising them to stay the same... if NW decided tomorrow to become Southeast Airlines, they could still use them.



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User currently offlineDALelite From Switzerland, joined Jun 2000, 1770 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 10639 times:

I do understand your sadness. Feelt the same way when DL Pilots where about to strike. But we all have to wait until
Wensday until DL and NWA will make their announcements.

wish you patience: DALelite



They loved to fly and it showed..
User currently offlineJetJeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1430 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 10600 times:

I believe Delta was adamant about keeping the name Delta. I posed this question a while back and it was kicked off but what will happen to midwest out of Mke as Nwa is Majority owner


i can see for 80 miles
User currently offlineFlyingClrs727 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 10581 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
I'm not aware of any traffic rights anywhere in the world that require the name of the airline exercising them to stay the same..

According to the Bermuda II treaty, only two US airlines and two UK airlines are allowed to fly between eight cities in the US and LHR. The US rights were originally held by Pan Am and TWA, but were allowed to be transferred to United and American only with the consent of the British government. There was no assurance that the rights would be allowed to be transferred in the future. Fortuanately Bermuda II will be superceded by the US-EU open skies agreement in April. Delta, Continental, and Northwest will now be allowed to fly to LHR, and DFW, IAH, and ATL will not be off limits for nonstop flights to and from LHR.


User currently offlineGayStudPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 453 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 10532 times:

This mock up livery actually looks spiffy although the D E L T A font is the previous style.

http://www.cardatabase.net/modifieda...earch/photo_search.php?id=00009648


User currently offlineBAKJet From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 743 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 10487 times:



Quoting GayStudPilot (Reply 8):
This mock up livery actually looks spiffy although the D E L T A font is the previous style.

I like it, although it would be cooler if the background was metallic silver instead of white.


User currently offlineUnitedRU2011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 10432 times:



Quoting BAKJet (Reply 9):
I like it, although it would be cooler if the background was metallic silver instead of white.

I really like that logo and paint scheme, as it holds elements from NWA in the new Delta livery. Delta's name is much more marketable than Northwest's name, you could go around to ask about 100 people and 70 of them would say Delta, American, or United off the top of their list. Northwest barely cuts it, if that, Continental, while it has many good perks, isn't compared to the ranks of the BIG DOGS of the aforementioned 3 (why, very good question to ask). I do have one question about the logo, wouldn't it be too close to what Boeing's logo is, after all it was Douglass's logo before they acquired McDonnell Douglass in 1997. Boeing in theory could file a copyright violation claim against Delta for having too many similarities with their own, unless I am taking it too seriously, who knows.


User currently offlineAirplaneFan From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 10078 times:



Quoting GayStudPilot (Reply 8):
This mock up livery actually looks spiffy although the D E L T A font is the previous style.

http://www.cardatabase.net/modifieda...09648

That livery mock up easily reminded me of 8Q.
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Photo © Paul Spijkers




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User currently offlineGayStudPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 453 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 10056 times:



Quoting AirplaneFan (Reply 11):
That livery mock up easily reminded me of 8Q.

Wow. You're right. OK, don't change it.


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9615 times:



Quoting FlyingClrs727 (Reply 3):
Will the Japanese government allow the transfer of Northwest's 5th freedeom rights at NRT? If not, I wouldn't be surprised if the Northwest name surives for routes to and from NRT.

The Japanese government had no problem when UA took over PanAm's rights. But when DL discontinued using a "sub-leased" slot from NYC to NRT from FedEX, Japan went up in arms. They stated that the slot would go back to the pool for open allocation but the US government stated that since FedEX is an incumbant carrier and the slot went back to FedEX than it would not go back to the pool.

In the case of DL taking over NW, DL can get the routes and slots in Japan. But it is also possible that AA, CO or US could raise just cause for redistribution of "incumbant" allocation.

On the main topic. I too am sad that the NW name will go into the history books. I have been flying them for 20 years and have always felt that they represented the midwest. It is always nice to know that I am only one stop from MSP or CWA, my two home airports. NW connected my wife and I when we lived on the East Coast and Midwest and when she was in Japan and I in the US. NW was the first airline our daughter flew on (the crews were very helpful, especially when our daughter got sick). I will miss them but as a co-worker once said to me, change is hard and we can only hope that the future will be bright.

I look forward to flying home on DL, representing Southern Hospitality, as long as it is still one-stop to MSP or CWA.



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3919 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9455 times:



Quoting BAKJet (Reply 9):
I like it, although it would be cooler if the background was metallic silver instead of white.

I was actually imagining something like that. I think the widget clearly pointing NW would be very nice gesture to identify with the cultures and history of both airlines. A bit like the new US scheme, which blends elements from US and HP.

I was kinda hoping that a brand like DNA-Delta Northwest Airlines would be used. Who knows!

Brian.



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User currently offlineViscount630 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9395 times:
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Quoting FlyingClrs727 (Reply 7):
Fortuanately Bermuda II will be superceded by the US-EU open skies agreement in April. Delta, Continental, and Northwest will now be allowed to fly to LHR, and DFW, IAH, and ATL will not be off limits for nonstop flights to and from LHR.

There's still no automatic right for any carrier to operate into LHR. It would still be subject to slots being available (NOT an abundant commodity there) not to mention terminal/ramp space - shortly to be at a premium when the re-structure of the central area starts once T5 opens.

IMHO why would anyone be rushing to use LHR? It's unpleasant, crowded, ALL the transport links to London are swamped and it's generally regarded as something to be endured rather than enjoyed by the travelling public. The one big advantage it USED to have, the domestic/cross channel links for inter-lining traffic are falling by the wayside as increasing costs make them uneconomic. Improving LGW and encouraging more long haul links from the regional airports is a much better proposition than trying to throw thousands of people around LHR out of their homes and businesses to build an extra runway there.
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User currently offlineAwysBSB From Brazil, joined Sep 2005, 561 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 9146 times:

The only way for NWA be kept is becoming a LCC subsidiary of Delta.

User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6449 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8662 times:



Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 6):
believe Delta was adamant about keeping the name Delta. I posed this question a while back and it was kicked off but what will happen to midwest out of Mke as Nwa is Majority owner

NWA is a minority owner of Midwest.

Quoting FlyingClrs727 (Reply 3):
Will the Japanese government allow the transfer of Northwest's 5th freedeom rights at NRT? If not, I wouldn't be surprised if the Northwest name surives for routes to and from NRT.

It has been pointed out on this board numerous times that the 5th freedom rights out of Japan are owned by the US government, not by NW and UA. The us has given NW and UA the rights. Airlines in the US do not negotiate with foreign governments. This has been the same situation at LHR, the US government has the rights and gave them to AA and UA.


User currently offlineTerminalc From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8574 times:

I fly NW to & in Asia quite a bit. There's enormous NW name recognition within Asia and that's not at all true for DL. There's surely enormous value in the NW name. It's really hard for me to believe that the NW name is going to disappear too quickly. I would think maintaining both names like AF/KL makes sense.

But I'm not in the airline biz nor am I trying to take control of NW!


User currently offlineLearjet23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8305 times:

I hope EBAY gets all the corporate signage and big honking logo's from NWA.... Then I can redecorate my new home and impress all my new friends I met at the clinic!

User currently offlineNwAflyer07 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8092 times:



Quoting Learjet23 (Reply 19):
I hope EBAY gets all the corporate signage and big honking logo's from NWA.... Then I can redecorate my new home and impress all my new friends I met at the clinic!

Once the merger is announced (btw, im totally done guessing when that's gonna happen lol), im going to get all the NWA items I can. Luggage tags, sliverware, mugs, glasses, napkins, magazines, union contract books (already got the CSA one), etc... I'll put it all in a big box, show my son/daughter one day, and tell him/her "this is the airline i grew up with. It operated proudly for over 80 years before they merged with Delta." Maybe i'll be lucky enough to get some signage from the airport, too.


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6449 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7982 times:



Quoting NwAflyer07 (Reply 20):
Once the merger is announced (btw, im totally done guessing when that's gonna happen lol

I think that is a good idea, let someone else state absolutely that he merger will be announced at a certain day at a certain time. Predicting is fine but stating it as fact and it doesn't happen, doesn't do much for your credibility. Neither your manager, nor his manager know when anything will be announced, and never will.


User currently offlineCv640 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 952 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7898 times:

Yeah, seems like its almost certain about the merger, unfornately. Also likely is the end of the name Northwest, oh well. Delta has basically said its number one condition is its name, so I doubt that will change, on the flip side it could take a while for a merger to go through and even longer till they repaint and rebrand everything. Enjoy NWA for now.

User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6449 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7835 times:



Quoting Cv640 (Reply 22):
Yeah, seems like its almost certain about the merger, unfornately. Also likely is the end of the name Northwest, oh well. Delta has basically said its number one condition is its name, so I doubt that will change, on the flip side it could take a while for a merger to go through and even longer till they repaint and rebrand everything. Enjoy NWA for now.

I think what DL said was it would be the survivor. They never said the name would be Delta. Look at America West and US Airways, or Valujet and AirTran.


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7533 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7552 times:



Quoting FlyingClrs727 (Reply 3):
Will the Japanese government allow the transfer of Northwest's 5th freedeom rights at NRT?

Thing is, the Japanese government doesn't own NRT, its a privately owned airport thus, they may have scopes.



"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
25 Bobnwa : The US government doesn't own US airports but it does negotiate all airline treaties with foreign governments. I don't understand what you mean by sc
26 BR715-A1-30 : Am I the only one to think that is terrible... Too much Eurowhite... Add the Blue under the fuselage, and/or make the fuselage NW's colors with DL's
27 WorldTraveler : can some people tell us where some of the largest or most significant permanent outdoor Northwest signs are around the world?
28 Post contains images ImperialEagle : There is little that remains of what was once the original "DL" or the original "NW" save in the minds of a few of us hopeless romantics. The old "DL"
29 Phileet92 : this really sucks. whats gonna happen to all my miles with northwest?
30 DocLightning : Now, a friend of mine who works for CNBC swore me to secrecy. She said that NW/DL would announce their merger by Tuesday or Wednesday and that the new
31 SESGDL : They'll change to SkyMiles. Jeremy
32 Learjet23 : All outstanding world perks miles must, under the terms I have proposed, be surrendered into my account... Then I will spend the rest of my life doing
33 PanAm747 : Personally, I won't mind the name NWA going away - that should be the sole domain of the 90's gangsta rap group. Northwest, on the other hand, is a mu
34 Burnsie28 : Unless they change the name to Worldperks or perhaps Sky Perks. Yeah its unfortunate to see an airline with the oldest continous name to dissapear on
35 FlyingClrs727 : I wasn't implying that, but all the airlines I mentioned are part of a alliances with partners who had slots that could be freed up. The Bermuda II t
36 Cubsrule : If AA changed its name to "Mexico Airlines" tomorrow, it could still fly to LHR... I'm not sure why this concept is so difficult for people. If DL ac
37 Texl1649 : Someone's gotta say it: The name may go away, the people may retire, and the A-320's/A-330's will eventually be put out to pasture, but they can never
38 KYNG2KPBI : I personally will be happy to see the NWA name go away. Delta's product is all around better. Their customer service is impeccable. Never have I had a
39 Bobnwa : Just how was Bermuda II against the Constitution? What part of the document are you referring to?
40 Rockinflyer : Agreed, and the people that recognize NW in Asia will get used to DL in a very short period of time. I don't think any new and/or blended brand names
41 WorldTraveler : so where are the NW experts?
42 Halophila : Slightly different, because the airline went bankrupt, but I lost 175,000 points with Ansett Australia when they went and no partner airline (or prev
43 Bobnwa : I guess there are not any NWA cheerleaders that would have any idea where permanent signs are located or would really care very much. Why would that
44 Viscount724 : It's not easier to say in many parts of the world. The "TH" sound in "North" is difficult to pronounce in several foreign languages where that sound
45 GayStudPilot : ahh, but Ls can be difficult in some Asian languages, sounding like Rs... eg, Derta Ask a Thai to say, "error"
46 PanAm747 : It might be the "Equal Protection Among The States" clause, mentioned in Article 4, section 2: "The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all P
47 FlyingClrs727 : Here's how. It treats ports in Texas and Georgia as inferior to ports in New York, Florida, Illinois, California, Washington, Virginia, Massachussett
48 KingAir200 : Other than the light up ones on NWA hangars in various locations, there aren't many signs around. Building A has the old logo painted on the roof, as
49 Jkj777 : I love how DL's new livery already has the widget on the tail (port side) pointing to the Northwest. Just a coincidence or maybe a little intuition on
50 Cubsrule : At least one building in Eagan had (has?) a logo on the roof, didn't it?
51 KingAir200 : Yeah, Building A, the headquarters building does.
52 Cubsrule : Does it still? I haven't flown through MSP in probably 2 years.
53 KingAir200 : The red is somewhat faded, but yeah, it's still there.
54 Cubsrule : That argument is REALLY tenuous... do you think Bermuda II would have stuck around as long as it did if it were so blatantly unconstitutional?
55 DocLightning : I grew up near Detroit. In my childhood and young adulthood that airline did more than commit indignities against my family, they committed crimes (l
56 Learjet23 : WHAT? Did they honestly change the name from Northwest Airlines, To NWA? Is this the true legal name for the airline??
57 BAKJet : I don't think so,at least I hope they didn't. I think NWA is just for marketing, but I could be wrong. What exactly did they do?
58 MQTmxguy : Sounds like the story of many a ex-NW mechanic...
59 Post contains images RedTailDTW : Although I would find it devastating (maybe even tramatizing) to have to say goodbye to Northwest, if Delta were to keep something around that reminds
60 Post contains links and images Centrair : Nice.. I like this one
61 Bobnwa : If NWA committed larceny and criminal neglect, and you hate them as much as you do, why haven't you gone to the authorities with the proof.?
62 Post contains images MBJ2000 : Since the beginning of the 90's Northwest had a meaning to me as a European, it was the big airline flying to the US and across the Pacific. Delta on
63 DocLightning : Since you ask: refused to honor a confirmation number and demanded payment for a new ticket when one was purchased and their computer record system s
64 MQTmxguy : Damn, considering your experiences I can definately understand you not liking NW and thus choosing to fly other airlines, but you made it sound like
65 Post contains images DocLightning : He didn't. He sent goons. He's too chicken-stool to do his own dirty work.   The problem is that the headquarters is in Minneapolis and it's hard to
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