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Room For Another Airline In Canada?  
User currently offlineMattRB From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1624 posts, RR: 9
Posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 3235 times:

Using a model similar to that of Allegiant in the US, a team of former WestJet execs are looking to give life to a new airline in Canada.

http://www.financialpost.com/magazine/story.html?id=269856


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User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3170 times:

I think this has come up before. Where to start...

1) Their intention is not to compete with AC or WS - but how can they not? Are pax from the origins suggested simply not travelling because there is no direct service?? AC have Mexico covered very well and all these origin cities mentioned are linked by Jazz flights (not to mention WS), so though there may be one or maybe two connections, but with all the AC FF benefits, schedule flexibility and the whole UA & US networks via *A, anyone not looking for a cheap suntan are still going to use AC. They mention Harmony, Jetsgo & Canjet, and you can bet they will have the same fate in the domestic market - AC & WS arent just going to sit back and admire them taking their pax, they are going to try and squeeze them out, and they have resources to take a hit if they need to short term for the long term gain, just like they did with HQ etc. Plus domestically you are probably looking at some fairly long sectors, probably involving YYZ, which arent good for keeping costs down. As an example of what they may be trying to do, Swanberg Air tried YGU - YVR and couldnt even fill a 19 seat Jetstream 3 times a week.
2) So the pax they are aiming for are going to be low yield. Fine if costs are low, but is that possible now? Higher lease costs for newer efficient aircraft or higher gas & mx costs for older birds. And does an MD83 for example have the legs to do YMM to CUN for example?
3) Example used of YLW - YEG is somewhat different, I bet the majority of pax will be transferring to an onward WS flight, probably to YYZ.
4) Customs - are there immigration facilities at YBR, YGU & YMM for example?
5) Runway length - 6000' at YMM for example could be pushing it for a fully loaded 738.
6) Another big obstacle not mentioned is TS - they are expanding their network to include YWG & YQR and are very strong in the leisure market, and have widebodies to offer very cheap seats, even if it is rather horrifically  crowded , and theres Skyservice of course.

I think the answer is no.



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User currently offlineKLMD11L From New Zealand, joined Dec 2007, 123 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3106 times:

How about Virgin Canada?!! After Australia, New Zealand, Nigeria and now the US, I think it’s about time for Canada to get its share of the Virgin brand!!  Big grin


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User currently offlineFlyb From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 685 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 2938 times:

Have you heard of NewAir by the founders of WS? They are supposed to hit the skies of smaller markets in the fall/winter.

User currently offlineOlympus69 From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 1737 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 2909 times:



Quoting Flyb (Reply 3):
Have you heard of NewAir by the founders of WS? They are supposed to hit the skies of smaller markets in the fall/winter

What, exactly, do you think this thread is about?


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25125 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2825 times:



Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 1):
Example used of YLW - YEG is somewhat different, I bet the majority of pax will be transferring to an onward WS flight, probably to YYZ.

Also significant O&D traffic YLW-YEG-YLW. YLW and vicinity has long been a very popular area for Alberta retirees, who travel back and forth to visit family and friends.


User currently offlineSwissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 2741 times:

Sure there is room, but how big would "that" market be.... and what kind of equipment could that market handle??

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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5800 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 2696 times:

Allegiant itself has looked at operating flights to smaller Canadian cities.


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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6762 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 2691 times:



Quoting KLMD11L (Reply 2):
How about Virgin Canada?!!

There's already one of those.. it's called Virgin America.. Big grin You know Canada is the 51st state..

LOL.. just kidding Canadians.. eh?



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25125 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 2672 times:



Quoting Swissy (Reply 6):
Sure there is room, but how big would "that" market be.... and what kind of equipment could that market handle??

WestJet currently operate 3 daily 737 nonstops YLW-YEG in each direction, in addition to their 4 daily YLW-YYC flights. AC also has 3 daily CRJs YLW-YYC. YLW has been the 10th busiest airport in Canada in passengers handled for the past few years, with double-digit percentage increases in both 2006 and 2007. Now about 30 daily scheduled departures, roughly half of which are WestJet.


User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2614 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
Also significant O&D traffic YLW-YEG-YLW. YLW and vicinity has long been a very popular area for Alberta retirees, who travel back and forth to visit family and friends.

OK, so take YMM. Where domestically could they serve not covered by WS or AC with we assume ~150-180 seats to fill??? You could be sure WS would be doing it if there was such a demand, having taken up places like YXX, YQQ & YKF. Im pretty sure if there was enough traffic for YMM - YVR for example they would do it.



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