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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5472 posts, RR: 12
Posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5838 times:

I know that starting Feb 12 there were at least 4 threads about B6 and their SoCal expansion coming in May (inc. the LAX inaugural.) Just now, I found only one: ( Major LCC Announcement For SoCal On 12Feb? (by Dolphinflyer Feb 11 2008 in Civil Aviation) )

My first question, to a moderator, is: any idea where all those other threads went?

My other question is directed to anyone in the know about Blue schedules and "rumor central": the schedules that revealed new flights to LGB, BUR, LAX, SAN, SJC, AUS, SEA were released on the 12th and at least some of them were incomplete. SAN and SEA are 2 examples and I can provide turn schedules effective My 21 for both if needed but I won't take the time or space to do so unless requested; schedules (obtained from the booking engine) of both cities still show departing flights with no inbound flights to provide necessary a/c (and visa versa.) This observation was discussed by a few of us here on A.net in one or more of the threads on the 12th or 13th and the situation was still the same an hour ago (on the 17th, 5 days later.)

Either some existing flights are yet to be cancelled or additional new ones need to be announced -- and soon, as they will begin in May. One of the preliminary press releases on the morning of the 12th mentioned SAN would be getting 3 new flights (or routes, I can't remember the wording); 1 new flight to SEA has been officially announced so far.

I also noticed that the E-190 flight AUS-LGB-AUS appears as an RON at LGB but spends a lot of time there: from 7pm until after 10 the next morning. I didn't do a thorough schedule exam for both LGB or AUS but I wonder if more is to happen there as well. (That flight starts May 1.)

I don't expect anyone to reveal details of anything new that's yet to be announced but can someone at least confirm that there is more news to be released soon? (I would gladly settle for an IM from anyone if the info is sensitive.)

This just seems strange: either Blue is still selling flights for May -- and beyond -- that they know will not be running OR they are missing out on sales on summer flights because they aren't in the system yet.

bb

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User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3856 posts, RR: 34
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 5761 times:

Quoting SANFan (Thread starter):
I also noticed that the E-190 flight AUS-LGB-AUS appears as an RON at LGB but spends a lot of time there: from 7pm until after 10 the next morning. I didn't do a thorough schedule exam for both LGB or AUS but I wonder if more is to happen there as well. (That flight starts May 1.)

Not only that, but it appears (for now) that the E-190 that does LGB-AUS-LGB is the only flight all day that that particular aircraft does.

AUS is an all E-190 station and here are the other routes & departures times in and out of AUS.

AUS-JFK

Flight 1060 Dep AUS 07:00 - Arr JFK 11:40
Flight 1062 Dep AUS 11:30 - Arr JFK 16:18
Flight 1068 Dep AUS 17:00 - Arr JFK 22:00

JFK-AUS

Flight 1061 Dep JFK 09:05 - Arr AUS 12:14
Flight 1065 Dep JFK 13:20 - Arr AUS 16:23
Flight 1068 Dep JFK 20:40 - Arr AUS 23:59

AUS-BOS

Flight 1264 Dep AUS 12:55 - Arr BOS 18:00

BOS-AUS

Flight 1263 Dep BOS 07:35 - Arr AUS 10:55

AUS-LGB

Flight 1417 Dep AUS 18:00 - Arr LGB 19:05

LGB-AUS

Flight 1416 Dep LGB 10:15 - Arr AUS 17:15

So it looks like AUS has one originator - Flight 1060 to JFK that departs AUS at 07:00

Next inbound (1263 from BOS) arrives at 10:55 & does a 35-minute turn and departs as 1062 back to JFK at 11:30.

Next inbound (1061 from JFK) arrives at 12:14 & does a 36 minute turn and departs as 1264 back to BOS at 12:55.

Next inbound (1065 from JFK) arrives at 16:23 & does a 37 minute turn and departs as 1068 back to JFK at 17:00

Next inbound (1416 from LGB) arrives at 17:15 & does a 45 minute turn and departs as 1416 back to LGB at 18:00.

Last inbound (1069 from JFK) arrives at 23:59 - remains overnight and is the aircraft for the next day's 07:00 departure to JFK.

Things that make you go hmmmmm.......

(edited to add - these flight times are based on the Tuesday June 3, 2008 schedules) from the OAG on Austin Bergstrom International Airport's website)

http://timetables.oag.com/aus/

LoneStarMike

[Edited 2008-02-18 04:18:42]

User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3856 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5597 times:



Quoting SANFan (Thread starter):
SAN and SEA are 2 examples and I can provide turn schedules effective My 21 for both if needed but I won't take the time or space to do so unless requested; schedules (obtained from the booking engine) of both cities still show departing flights with no inbound flights to provide necessary a/c (and visa versa.)

Regarding SAN, I disagree with the underlined part. There's an equal number of departures and arrivals. Seven of the eight roundtrips in/out of SAN seem to have somewhat normal turn times, but the SAN-SEA-SAN turn seems to be the only flight that particular aircraft operates all day, which seems a little odd to me.

Flight Schedules:

SAN-JFK

Flight 182 Dep SAN 12:25 - Arr JFK 21:00 (A-320)
Flight 184 Dep SAN 14:45 - Arr JFK 23:10 (A-320)
Flight 186 Dep SAN 21:05 - Arr JFK 05:15 (A-320)

JFK-SAN

Flight 181 Dep JFK 08:30 - Arr SAN 11:30 (A-320)
Flight 183 Dep JFK 11:00 - Arr SAN 13:50 (A-320)
Flight 185 Dep JFK 18:00 - Arr SAN 21:27 (A-320)

SAN-IAD

Flight 316 Dep SAN 22:20 - Arr IAD 06:05 (A-320)

IAD-SAN

Flight 309 Dep IAD 17:35 - Arr SAN 20:14 (A-320)

SAN-BOS

Flight 412 Dep SAN 21:30 - Arr BOS 06:10 (A-320)

BOS-SAN

Flight 411 Dep BOS 12:30 - Arr SAN 20:35 (A-320)

SAN-SLC

Flight 274 Dep SAN 08:45 - Arr SLC 11:40 (A-320)
Flight 278 Dep SAN 19:10 - Arr SLC 22:05 (A-320)

SLC-SAN

Flight 273 Dep SLC 07:10 - Arr SAN 08:05 (A-320)
Flight 277 Dep SLC 17:35 - Arr SAN 18:30 (A-320)

SAN-SEA

Flight 276 Dep SAN 15:00 - Arr SEA 17:45 (A-320)

SEA-SAN

Flight 279 Dep SEA 18:40 - Arr SAN 21:35 (A-320)

---------------------------------------------------------------

Turn Schedules? (I'm guessing here)

Flight 273 arrives 07:10 from SLC
(40 minute turn)
Flight 274 departs 08:45 to SLC

Flight 181 arrives 11:30 from JFK
(55 minute turn)
Flight 182 departs 12:25 to JFK

Flight 183 arrives 13:50 from JFK
(55 minute turn)
Flight 184 departs 14:45 to JFK

-------------------------------------------------------------
Flight 276 departs 15:00 to SEA & arrives 17:45
(55 minute turn in SEA)
Departs SEA 18:40
Flight 279 arrives 21:25 from SEA


This is the one that seems odd to me. Is this the only flight this aircraft does all day? It seems like B6 could add another SAN-SEA-SAN frequency in the morning that would arrive back in SAN in time to do the afternoon SAN-SEA-SAN service that's already been announced.
-------------------------------------------------------------

Flight 277 arrives 18:30 from SLC
(40 minute turn)
Flight 278 departs 19:10 to SLC

Flight 309 arrives 20:14 from IAD
(51 minute turn)
Flight 186 departs 21:05 to JFK

Flight 411 arrives 20:35 from BOS
(55 minute turn)
Flight 412 departs 21:30 to BOS

Flight 185 arrives 21:27 from JFK
(53 minute turn)
Flight 316 departs 22:20 to IAD

Again, these times are based on the June 3, 2008 schedules from:

http://timetables.oag.com/san/

It also looks like from 20:35 until 21:05 B6 will have two aircraft on the ground. Also, Flight 185 from JFK arrives 3 minutes before Flight 412 to BOS leaves, but that shouldn't pose too much of a problem if the BOS departure leaves on time. How many gates does B6 have in SAN?

LoneStarMike


User currently offlineAirwarrior From United States of America, joined May 2001, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5412 times:

Hi LoneStar. I think you have the times wrong on the LGB-AUS turn. It arrives into AUS at 1515, not 1715. Therefore it would be on the ground in AUS for 2:45, not :45 if that really is the planes final routing. There has to be another announcement coming soon about additional flights. I bet that plane turns somewhere else for a 1600 dep. I bet the 1800 dep from AUS to LGB arrives from somewhere else too. That would give JB at dep in AUS at 1600, 1700 and 1800 - great gate utilization. Also, you will notice one of the new SEA-LGB flight departs SEA at 1600. Where does that plane arrive SEA from? The current schedules just dont make sense logistically. Im willing to bet we will see more flights soon. Im guessing AUS to IAD and MCO or FLL. Maybe more Cali flights too. Anybody else have any ideas.. Ive kinda become obsessed with JB's westcoast expansion plans.

AW


User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3856 posts, RR: 34
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5322 times:



Quoting Airwarrior (Reply 3):
Hi LoneStar. I think you have the times wrong on the LGB-AUS turn. It arrives into AUS at 1515, not 1715.

Doh! You are absolutely right, Airwarrior. Thanks for pointing that out. (Damn - I have got to go get new glasses.)  Smile

I'll let someone with better eyesight (SANFan?) double-check the SAN schedule.

So now, I'm more confused than ever. Does the 15:15 arrival from LGB stay on the ground 2:45 and then go back to LGB? Or does it sit on the ground 1:45 and continue on to JFK at 17:00? If it continues on to JFK at 17:00, then that would mean that the 16:23 arrival from JFK would sit on the ground in AUS 1:37 before contining on to LGB at 18:00.

I can't imagine B6 having an aircraft sit on the ground that long, so I agree with you and SANFan that there must be some additional service to be announced. I'm kind of hoping for IAD myself. I think it was mentioned somewhere else that B6 recently got a 4th gate at IAD when they moved over to the Concourse B expansion.

Although, I happened to notice the other day that United Express which currently has 2 roundtrips between AUS & IAD is adding a third frequency in April.

LoneStarMike


User currently offlineSocalatc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 528 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5307 times:

Where did B6 get the slots to add the new flights? I know their E90s do not count towards the commuter slots.. Did they drop or reduce other routes?

User currently offlineAirwarrior From United States of America, joined May 2001, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5289 times:

They shifted a couple of flights to LAX and BUR.

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5472 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5230 times:



Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 2):
Flight 273 arrives 07:10 from SLC
(40 minute turn)
Flight 274 departs 08:45 to SLC

This arr in SAN should be 08:05 but otherwise you are right on, Mike. Also, notice, no RONs at SAN or SEA (except for these weird and temporary schedule anomalies.) Oh, and to answer your question, during the current overlap of 2 a/c on the ground every evening from about 8:30 to 9:15, Blue does use 2 gates with no problem; I don't think a further overlap a bit later would be an issue either.

And I should have clarified what I said: yes, the arrivals and departures are equal (at both SAN and SEA) but B6 is not going to leave an A-320 on the ground (at both airports) from 9pm until 3 or 4 the following afternoon.)

And as you've shown in AUS, the schedule there just doesn't look complete yet either.

Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 2):
This is the one that seems odd to me. Is this the only flight this aircraft does all day? It seems like B6 could add another SAN-SEA-SAN frequency in the morning

Exactly. Or, as I speculated on earlier threads, another SAN-BOS r/t and/or FLL-SAN (arr. SAN at about 2pm) and SAN-FLL (leaving SAN about 10:30pm) would also work. (And yes, Mike, another IAD r/t would be fine with me; it's just that they have more competition on that route from SAN than they do to BOS, which is just a single AA and that is supposedly on the "death watch" list anyway so B6 may as well put it out of its misery!)

There has to be more to come any way we look at it. I just wonder how soon we will hear about it?

Thanks Airwarrior and LSMike for the verification that it's not just me...

bb


User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3856 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5176 times:



Quoting SANFan (Reply 7):
This arr in SAN should be 08:05

Ok, yeah, I had it listed right on the schedule part, but when I went to try to figure out the turn sequence, I accidentally listed the departure time from SLC as the arrival time into SAN

Quoting SANFan (Reply 7):
(And yes, Mike, another IAD r/t would be fine with me; it's just that they have more competition on that route from SAN than they do to BOS

Actually, when I said I was hoping for an IAD, I was talking about to/from AUS.

And BTW, with the AUS corrections that AirWarrior noted, it also looks like there will be 2 B6 aircraft on the ground in AUS at the same time between about 16:25 and 17:00. B6 only has one gate here in AUS and that's kind of a busy time of day, so I don't know how that's going to work out for them. As it is now, if the BOS arrival into AUS is on time and the first JFK arrival into AUS is late, I've seen one B6 aircraft parked at their gate and another at the US Airways gate on the other side of the concourse.

LoneStarMike


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5472 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5142 times:

A couple of further thoughts on this. I don't know the new a/c delivery schedules (320s and 190s) so I don't really know what they really have to work with here but I'm wondering if some of these new flights that are now showing 320s will be redesignated as 190s, a few new 190 flights added, (e.g., on the new SEA markets) and things might make more sense, including SAN and LGB as well. Perhaps they are waiting to make sure new a/c arrive as expected before finalizing everything.

There certainly should be more 190s to come out of LGB if this is in fact the conduit they've selected to connect west and east 190 fleets (via AUS as of now.) I also suspect they would have been better off using SAN or ONT (or BUR) to start the new plane's flying on the west coast; LGB is just too tight on (completely out of, actually) new flight opportunities.

I remain confused and (not so patiently) waiting for the next installment...

bb


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26605 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4989 times:



Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 4):

I can't imagine B6 having an aircraft sit on the ground that long

B6 is not particularly great with their aircraft utilization, so those turn times are very much within the realm of possibility.



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User currently offlineAirwarrior From United States of America, joined May 2001, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4907 times:

Ive always read that JB has some of the highest utilzation in the biz. Does anyone know which one of us is correct, N1120A or me?

User currently offlineAv8tor From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4844 times:



Quoting Airwarrior (Reply 11):
Ive always read that JB has some of the highest utilzation in the biz. Does anyone know which one of us is correct, N1120A or me?

We fly our airplanes nearly 13 hours per day (on average), which is one of the highest in the business.


User currently offlineAirwarrior From United States of America, joined May 2001, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4809 times:

Hey Av8tor. Sounds like you work for JetBlue. Does our rationale that it seems obvious there are more new flights to be announced soon make sense to you? Since youre there you probably can offer some insight that we can only speculate on. AW

User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5821 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4748 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 10):
B6 is not particularly great with their aircraft utilization, so those turn times are very much within the realm of possibility.



Quoting Av8tor (Reply 12):
We fly our airplanes nearly 13 hours per day (on average), which is one of the highest in the business.

Av8tor is correct, per the SEC filings aircraft utilization for the first 9 months of 2007 was 12.9 hours.



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5472 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4714 times:



Quoting Airwarrior (Reply 11):
Ive always read that JB has some of the highest utilzation in the biz. Does anyone know which one of us is correct, N1120A or me?

I must agree with you, 'warrior; I know that at least in SAN (and probably most of the other non-Key cities in the west, Blue has always run tight turns. Our average at Lindbergh has always been right around :50-:55. Plus, keep in mind that rather than RON planes on the left coast, Blue is the King of Red-eyes! (Talk about efficient use of a/c...) Since most AirBi don't even sit on the ground overnight, certainly not in the west, 13-hour utilization actually sounds low to me!

It is impossible to think that Blue would RON an A-320 in both SAN and SEA with ground times of ~ 18 hours! Sorry '1120.

Quoting Airwarrior (Reply 13):
Sounds like you work for JetBlue. Does our rationale that it seems obvious there are more new flights to be announced soon make sense to you?

I second that question, Av8tor. Just a simple "Yes" (or "No") would be a start...

bb


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5929 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4612 times:
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It's good that B6 is adding service to SEA, beyond JFK and BOS. Now, travelers up here in the Northwest have alternatives to LGB and SAN. It was actually a shock to me. Anyway, more service to SEA means a good economy here.

If I get a chance, maybe I'll try them to LGB on my next business trip to So Cal.


User currently offlineRockinflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4246 times:



Quoting Airwarrior (Reply 6):
They shifted a couple of flights to LAX and BUR.

I think its great B6 is expanding in the west. I'm still hoping for BUR-ORD nonstops. No one serves the CHI market out of BUR nonstop. They'd have a great route all to themselves and the demand is certainly there. Maybe they'll get to it one day.  scratchchin 



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User currently offlineAv8tor From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4102 times:



Quoting Airwarrior (Reply 13):
Hey Av8tor. Sounds like you work for JetBlue. Does our rationale that it seems obvious there are more new flights to be announced soon make sense to you? Since youre there you probably can offer some insight that we can only speculate on. AW

It might all make sense after tomorrow....


User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4038 times:



Quoting SANFan (Reply 7):
Exactly. Or, as I speculated on earlier threads, another SAN-BOS r/t and/or FLL-SAN (arr. SAN at about 2pm) and SAN-FLL (leaving SAN about 10:30pm) would also work. (And yes, Mike, another IAD r/t would be fine with me; it's just that they have more competition on that route from SAN than they do to BOS, which is just a single AA and that is supposedly on the "death watch" list anyway so B6 may as well put it out of its misery!)

AA's daily 752 BOS-SAN has been on the death watch list for about 2 years now. The route is loaded through the Summer and into the Fall and both airlines, B6 and AA, have run BOS-SAN for 7 months now and the fares have not seen the dramatic drop that was to be expected.


User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2993 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3961 times:



Quoting Av8tor (Reply 18):
It might all make sense after tomorrow....

Oh goodness, now do I have to sit here and twiddle my thumbs and wait for tomorrow or is some newspaper going to break the story the evening before?

JetBluefan1



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5472 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3841 times:



Quoting Av8tor (Reply 18):
It might all make sense after tomorrow....



Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 20):
Oh goodness, now do I have to sit here and twiddle my thumbs and wait for tomorrow or is some newspaper going to break the story the evening before?

Now THAT'S what I'm talking about!!!!

Thank you both for the tidbits; that's all the vindication needed (well, until tomorrow anyway!  Wink ) BTW, any additional hints or even heavy thoughts would be gladly accepted, Bluefan' or Av8tor.

Waiting anxiously for the other shoe to drop ...

Quoting B752OS (Reply 19):
AA's daily 752 BOS-SAN has been on the death watch list for about 2 years now. The route is loaded through the Summer and into the Fall and both airlines, B6 and AA, have run BOS-SAN for 7 months now and the fares have not seen the dramatic drop that was to be expected

Exactly. And I still feel that B6 could chase AA by adding a second trip, most preferred would be a BOS-SAN in the morning and the SAN-BOS departure around noon. But perhaps they are content to let the older kid continue to play in the sandbox too. (I certainly prefer to see competition on any route so I don't really wish AA to pull the route; it's just that the talk has been around, as you said, B752', for a long time about how their flight was doomed.)

bb


User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3856 posts, RR: 34
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3688 times:

Just saw this posted on the jetblue forum on another aviation website. The thread title was "AUS News"

Edited to add - that message couldn't have been posted more than 5 minutes before it was deleted, so I'm deleting the text of it here, too. I'll just say that tomorrow's announcement will be made from AUS

I can't wait.

LoneStarMike

[Edited 2008-02-19 17:59:31]

User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3574 times:

I wonder if we'll see DEN, HOU, PHX, and TUS get B6 service to SoCal as well. PDX is also a possibility, as is MSY. I've heard that SAN-MCO (or was that SAN-FLL?) were strong O&D routes and although FL failed maybe B6 can succeed on these routes. A few of the cities with service to only BOS and JFK could get another destination on the west coast.


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User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3856 posts, RR: 34
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3494 times:

Well, in spite of trying to keep the new service a secret, looks like jetBlue ... blew it.

Go to their website and try to book one of the already-announced new flights, but enter any date that's before May 1 and look at the error message that comes up.

Orlando, FL (MCO) and Santo Domingo, DR (SDQ) starts March 6, 2008.*
Orlando, FL (MCO) and Cancun, Mexico (CUN) starts March 13, 2008.*
Austin, TX (AUS) and Long Beach, CA (LGB) starts May 1, 2008.*
Austin, TX (AUS) and Orlando, FL (MCO) starts May 1, 2008.*
Austin, TX (AUS) and Ft Lauderdale, FL (FLL) starts May 1, 2008.*
Austin, TX (AUS) and San Francisco, CA (SFO) starts May 1, 2008.*

Long Beach, CA (LGB) and Seattle, WA (SEA) starts May 21, 2008.*
Long Beach, CA (LGB) and San Jose, CA (SJC) starts May 21, 2008.*
San Diego, CA (SAN) and Seattle, WA (SEA) starts May 21, 2008.*
Washington, DC/Dulles (IAD) and Burbank, CA (BUR) starts May 21, 2008.*
Burbank, CA (BUR) and Las Vegas, NV (LAS) starts May 21, 2008.*
New York, NY (JFK) and Los Angeles, CA (LAX) starts May 21, 2008.*
Boston, MA (BOS) and Los Angeles, CA (LAX) starts May 21, 2008.*

Great news for AUSBig grin

LoneStarMike


25 Airwarrior : WOW, that's great. I thought the LGB flight might continue to either FLL or MCO.
26 LoneStarMike : Looks like SFO-AUS continues to FLL and LGB-AUS continues to MCO. That still doesn't account for the weird turn times and long ground times in SAN and
27 AV8orWALK : Seems to be a direct answer to WN's OAK-AUS-FLL flight addition that was announced on January 16th. Could this be the beginning of a major hub/focus c
28 Post contains images FXramper : I'm looking forward to the LGB-AUS service. Will use it for work and to come home.
29 MAH4546 : While I don't know the facts either way, I wouldn't read that much into it. They are simply connecting the dots. Austin is a stronger performing dot
30 LoneStarMike : These new flights still don't explain the long ground times and weird turn schedules at SAN and SEA, though. Maybe more new service for those cities i
31 LoneStarMike : I wonder if that's more of an issue of gate space. AA gave up Gate 19 at AUS, which is the one jetBlue uses now, and then had to later lease Gate 25
32 FXramper : It's coming soon! My uncle double deadheaded AUS-DFW-MIA to do AA #68 (MIA-MAD) tomorrow and he said he'll be glad when the n/s returns. I think he l
33 MAH4546 : Possibly. I don't know what gatespace issues are for AA at AUS, but the planned MIA-AUS flight is evening MIA-AUS, RON in AUS, and morning to MIA, da
34 SANFan : I'm happy for you Mike, and for Austin; it's great to see the growth that you guys are seeing so far this year! And congrat's on more Florida service
35 Post contains images LoneStarMike : Actually, you can already make reservations on the new flights so I can tell you now what the new flight schedules are. SFO-AUS - Dep SFO 08:30 arr A
36 LoneStarMike : Something else I noticed about the new AUS service is that if you really want to, you can book SFO-FLL or LGB-MCO as a 1-stop through AUS. So like WN'
37 MAH4546 : That's odd. It's timed to connect and offers an easy alternative to the daily non-stop flight for those who don't like the redeye schedule.
38 LoneStarMike : No it's not timed to connect.. Eastbound, the LGB-AUS flight arrives AUS at 15:15. The AUS-FLL flight departs 40 minutes earlier at 14:35. Westbound,
39 Post contains links and images Altairf28 : To answer SANFan's question about the long RON time at LGB it actually isn't as bad. The AUS arrival is apparently in for the night but after May 21 t
40 SANFan : Ahhh, another schedule-phile, eh? I may be confused on equipment designations for B6 (I thought 3-digit = 320s and 4-digit were 190s but maybe it's n
41 Surfrider1978 : Any chance B6 will open up smaller west coast markets as they have done in the east, possibly stations like MRY, SBA, FAT, EUG, STS etc... and possibl
42 SANFan : I've just noticed that there are some changes showing on the SAN schedules, according to the B6 booking engine and the OAG; the SLC schedule has been
43 BOStonsox : I mentioned that once and got flamed for it, however I agree. There are plenty of markets out west where they could go. To only question is, from whe
44 SANFan : In case anyone (other than me) is interested, the problem of the SAN schedule has been solved (at least for now.) B6 is still updating their schedules
45 Airwarrior : I also noticed that JetBlue changed the am JFK-SEA flt to a mid-day flt arriving into SEA at 1500. This is the a/c that turns to the 1600 SEA-SAN flig
46 Post contains images FreakyDeaky : SANFan, I have been very entertained following your detective work as you solved the mystery!! Thanks!
47 SANFan : Ah, thank you 'warrior; SEA was going to be my next project! Hey Freaky', believe me, it was my pleasure! (I get very bothered when things don't fall
48 Surfrider1978 : Even though BUR is a bit cramped, they can easily add many more flights. There are quite a few gates that sit idle for sometime during the day, mostl
49 TCT : Off topic but, does anyone think MIA is next, could it even be a possibility?[Edited 2008-02-26 13:44:52]
50 MAH4546 : Next? Who knows. A possibility? Yes, of course, a good one, IMO. It was close to happening about two years ago - very close - but MIA wouldn't budge
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