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Delta's "Pay With Miles" SkyMiles Program  
User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Posted (6 years 7 months 2 days ago) and read 7873 times:

Seems interesting..

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Introducing Pay with Miles

Now you can be the boss of your miles and let them work for you. With a whole new way to use your miles, you can choose when and how you want to use them. In addition to saving up for SkyChoice and SkySaver Award tickets you can now redeem your miles towards all or part of the price of your Delta tickets.

Pay with Miles is an exclusive benefit for SkyMiles® members with a Gold or Platinum Delta SkyMiles Credit Card from American Express.
There are no blackout dates or inventory restrictions, just look for flights marked as Pay with Miles eligible when shopping at delta.com.
Unlike SkySaver or SkyChoice Awards, Pay with Miles is flexible. Pay for all or part of the fare with miles - it's up to you. Now you don't have to wait as long to enjoy your travel awards.
How does Pay with Miles work?
There is no fee for using your Pay with Miles benefit. Pay with Miles redemptions are flexible based on the price of the ticket.

For base fares less than $100:
Redeem 25,000 miles to cover the total fare.
For base fares equal to or greater than $100 and less than $250:
Redeem 10,000 miles for $100 off the total fare or
Increase the redemption to cover the total fare, starting at 25,000 miles and increase in increments of 5,000 miles ($50 off) to cover the total fare (30,000 miles for $300 off, 35,000 miles for $350 off, etc.).
For base fares equal to or greater than $250 and total fares less than $1,000:
Redeem 10,000 miles for $100 off the total fare or
Increase the redemption in increments of 5,000 miles ($50 off) to cover all or part of the total fare (15,000 miles for $150 off, 20,000 miles for $200 off, etc.).
For total fares equal to or greater than $1,000:
Redeem 10,000 miles for $100 off the total fare or
Increase the redemption in increments of 10,000 miles ($100 off) to cover all or part of the total fare (20,000 miles for $200 off, 30,000 miles for $300 off, etc.).
How do I use Pay with Miles?
Log in at delta.com with your SkyMiles account number and PIN.
Search for flights.
Select flights marked as Pay with Miles eligible.
Choose from the list of Pay with Miles options in the "Trip Summary" page, you can select miles, money or the combination of both.
After you make your selection, simply continue with booking your ticket.
Additional Information
As long as you have sufficient miles in your account, there is no limit on the number of times you can use your Pay with Miles benefit - use it as often as you like.
There is no cap on the number of miles you can use. If you have enough miles, you can pay for your whole itinerary using miles.
You can use Pay with Miles for multiple tickets - they just need to be on the same itinerary.

I logged into my SkyMiles account today and noticed a green PAY WITH MILES link under my name and read through it. Seems to be win win for everyvody.


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21526 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days ago) and read 7868 times:

Same deal as American Express cards have now, and many other credit cards. It tricks you into thinking you are using your miles in a better way, when in reality the trip will cost you more miles than a Choice award in most cases.


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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days ago) and read 7835 times:



Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Thread starter):
For base fares less than $100:
Redeem 25,000 miles to cover the total fare.

That doesnt sound too good of a deal


User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3592 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days ago) and read 7806 times:

The idea is that it lets you get around the capacity controls.

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21526 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7788 times:



Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 3):
The idea is that it lets you get around the capacity controls.

The idea is it's another way to devalue your airline miles. It's not a new concept, just new to DL's program directly. But again, you can buy flights with miles at many places, and it's usually a bad deal.

25k miles for a non-changeable, non-refundable fare of under $100 base? Yikes...



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13592 posts, RR: 61
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7743 times:
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AS does something similar with the 15,000 mile "AS50" award, which allows you to take half off your fare up to $250.00 maximum.


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User currently offlineAirBuffalo From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7710 times:



Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 3):
The idea is that it lets you get around the capacity controls.

But a SkyChoice award gets you around most capacity controls with fewer miles!!

I think it's really geared at people who are desperately trying to use their miles for SOMETHING. Either they have 10-20k laying around w/ no hope of future accumulation or they're just really bad with saving ... they figure $100 off a flight is better than nothing.

The only real "value" for miles, in my opinion, is international tickets and int'l upgrades. Otherwise, the game of accumulating points is pretty futile..

Can any of the economists out there to a study of the inflation of awards tickets in the last 10 years?

BS


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7683 times:



Quoting AirBuffalo (Reply 6):
But a SkyChoice award gets you around most capacity controls with fewer miles!!

Keep in mind you can't get a SkyChoice on all flights now.

Also, say you've got a $450 ticket and plenty of miles. No SkySavers available. Paying with miles would cost you 45,000 miles and probably $5-10 for the 9/11 fee. Still beats a 50,000 SkyChoice award and to a lot of people who have a lot of miles, they'd rather save $450 and spend the miles.

It's a good option to have; won't be beneficial for every single case but there will be ample opportunities for it to be effective.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21526 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7662 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 7):
Paying with miles would cost you 45,000 miles and probably $5-10 for the 9/11 fee.

I don't think 50,000 miles for a $450 ticket is a good value either. Not when you can use $125 for an international J award worth $10k.

This program is an example of sticking it to the mileage "poor" while the mileage "rich" get much better value for their miles because they have more of them...



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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7613 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 8):
I don't think 50,000 miles for a $450 ticket is a good value either. Not when you can use $125 for an international J award worth $10k.

This program is an example of sticking it to the mileage "poor" while the mileage "rich" get much better value for their miles because they have more of them...

Oh, now you are just engaging in "class" warfare.  Wink



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User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3592 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7414 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 8):
This program is an example of sticking it to the mileage "poor" while the mileage "rich" get much better value for their miles because they have more of them...

These are called "Frequent Flyer" programs for a reason. They were originally designed to reward loyal customers who fly alot.

With the advent of the credit card tie-ins, rental cars, hotels....they have turned into profit centers for the airlines, with now dubious overall objectives.


User currently offlineFemialpha From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7361 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 8):
I don't think 50,000 miles for a $450 ticket is a good value either.

I have to agree with you. I'd rather save my 50k miles for 2 skysaver tickets as i often do. The convenience offered is a nice way to get you to use up those miles quickly.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21526 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7346 times:



Quoting Femialpha (Reply 11):
I have to agree with you. I'd rather save my 50k miles for 2 skysaver tickets as i often do. The convenience offered is a nice way to get you to use up those miles quickly.

Yeah, when I "absolutely must get somewhere on a certain day" I buy my tickets in advance with real money.

I use mileage to do trips to Asia, Australia, Europe etc., see what flights are available on what days, and plan around them that way. Never failed to have a great trip despite having to work around availbility. I get great value for my miles that way. I also like to see how much I am "saving" and maximize it. Sure, I never would really spend that much, but it's cool to say I have "$17k worth of airline tickets." QF LAX-SYD-PER-MEL-SYD-LAX in F/J was one of those trips. AA LAX-DFW-NRT-DFW-LAX (before they had the non-stop) in F was another.  Smile

But even transcon USA, using 45k or 60k miles on a P.S. or Flagship service flight is more value than just using 45k to pay for a $450 ticket. And you can often get saaver awards last minute on AA on those flights.



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7342 times:



Quoting Femialpha (Reply 11):
I have to agree with you. I'd rather save my 50k miles for 2 skysaver tickets as i often do. The convenience offered is a nice way to get you to use up those miles quickly.

It's all in the eye of the spender. If I'm saving some money for some other things, I might be more inclined to spend 50,000 miles than $450. Just because it's a poor deal for some doesn't mean it's bad for others.


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