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Mobile (MOB) Traffic Up, 2nd Best Year Since 2001  
User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 3
Posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2078 times:

http://www.al.com/business/mobilereg...siness/1203243382115450.xml&coll=3

The passenger count at Mobile Regional Airport grew 2.3 percent in 2007, to 617,361 -- the second-highest total in the past five years, topped only by 2005, which was boosted by demand after Hurricane Katrina. However, the growth trailed both Pensacola Regional Airport and Gulfport-Biloxi International Airport. At the Pensacola airport, the number of passengers flying in and out was up 3.1 percent to 1,669,950. In Gulfport, new service and post-Katrina recovery pushed passenger numbers to 916,676, 14.9 percent higher than 2006.

http://www.mobairport.com/development/stats.php

[Edited 2008-02-18 16:46:51]

[Edited 2008-02-18 16:51:01]

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User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1619 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2029 times:

Good news for MOB, I just see it getting better down there for the next few years. GPT has a niche with the casinos. Since the hurricanes, they have rebuilt bigger and better attracting many more people.

I don't understand PNS growing? It's stagnant even with the military presence.

MOB has a lot going for it right now. It will catch up and pass the others in the next few years!

M


User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1148 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2018 times:



Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 1):
I don't understand PNS growing? It's stagnant even with the military presence.

PNS gets lots of traffic from beach goers headed east towards places like Destin and Fort Walton Beach for instance. PNS gets plenty of service from VPS and MOB as well due to higher fares most of the time. FL really plays a factor in these markets and at times gives PNS a severe advantage, although other airlines also have high load factors as well.



If Your not pissed, your not trying
User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 1950 times:



Quoting MKE22 (Reply 2):

PNS gets lots of traffic from beach goers headed east towards places like Destin and Fort Walton Beach for instance. PNS gets plenty of service from VPS and MOB as well due to higher fares most of the time. FL really plays a factor in these markets and at times gives PNS a severe advantage, although other airlines also have high load factors as well.

Yes. MOB passengers often drive to PNS/GPT for FL, and others, as they match FL's fares. Is PNS's beach traffic as seasonal as other Florida cities?

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 1):
MOB has a lot going for it right now. It will catch up and pass the others in the next few years!

Thank You!!!!! MOB is by far the major population business center (sans military), and, if MOB had a LCC, MOB and PNS would be about the same size, slightly smaller than PNS is at current. GPT would probable be about the same, though, given the casinos. Does anyone see a NK base on the Gulf Coast in the future, either at PNS for the beach, GPT for the casinos, or MOB for the golf, casinos, and beach? Sound's kind of like a mix of MYR and ACY. I think it could work..... but I don't work for an airline planning department..... (but I will one day!)


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6731 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 1945 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Reply 3):
Is PNS's beach traffic as seasonal as other Florida cities?

It is seasonal...though a slightly different season. The buildup begins in March and then peaks in the months of May, June and July. This is different from South Florida where the peak occurs more during Feb/Mar/April.



Quoting MOBflyer (Reply 3):
Does anyone see a NK base on the Gulf Coast in the future, either at PNS for the beach, GPT for the casinos, or MOB for the golf, casinos, and beach?

I don't see it as none of these markets are big enough to really justify NK. PNS (and surrounding beaches) are still a relatively minor beach destination and primarily regional. Most tourists to the area come from the Southeastern states and most drive. GPT is also a primarily regional gambling spot with gamblers coming primarily by car. Keep in mind that if it wasn't for ongoing subsidies, GPT might not even have FL.

MOB is just not viewed as a tourist destination which is partially why MOB has had a harder time attracting (and keeping) an LCC. LCC's often derive their early success in a market by attracting leisure travelers who aren't loyal to a FF program. I can't imagine from where NK could fill an A319 to MOB.


User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1935 times:



Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 4):
PNS (and surrounding beaches) are still a relatively minor beach destination and primarily regional. Most tourists to the area come from the Southeastern states and most drive. GPT is also a primarily regional gambling spot with gamblers coming primarily by car. Keep in mind that if it wasn't for ongoing subsidies, GPT might not even have FL.

The subsidies at GPT are the ONLY reason that they have service from FL. The minor beach/gaming destination point could be said for MYR and ACY. (ACY especially) Their primary patrons are within 3-4 hours drive. MOB, however, since it is in the middle of the gaming and beach, and is a top 10 golf destination itself, could capitalize on both PNS and GPT. It'll just take some creative marketing.


User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1148 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1904 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Reply 5):
MOB, however, since it is in the middle of the gaming and beach, and is a top 10 golf destination itself, could capitalize on both PNS and GPT. It'll just take some creative marketing.

I know you are from MOB and will defend it no matter what as much as you can ( I tend to do this with MKE sometimes unintentionally  Wink ) but why would you have just MOB when you get the best of both worlds at PNS and GPT? FL tried MOB and it didn't work, and that is why LCCs are shying away from MOB. Creative marketing won't really help this unless MOB does something very significant.



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User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1896 times:



Quoting MKE22 (Reply 6):
I know you are from MOB and will defend it no matter what as much as you can

What makes you think that I'm from Mobile?  Smile

Quoting MKE22 (Reply 6):
but why would you have just MOB when you get the best of both worlds at PNS and GPT?

Granted, MOB does not have the beaches or the casinos - but both are in very easy driving distance. (45 min to GPT, 60 min to PNS) And the golf courses are right here. I just think that in order for there to be a critical mass of service on the Gulf Coast, an airline would have to market MOB as "the Gateway to the Coast" - inclusive of the casinos and the beaches.

Quoting MKE22 (Reply 6):
Creative marketing won't really help this unless MOB does something very significant.

Something like landing a NASCAR racetrack, the nation's largest steel mill, tenfold expansion (and utilization) of already massive ports, and potentially the third place in the world for large aircraft assembly?

I'll be the first to say that I think that my dreams for a major LCC to make something substantial of MOB, are far fetched aspirations  Smile, but in all seriousness, the level of service in MOB for city of its size is pathetic.

Quoting MKE22 (Reply 6):
FL tried MOB and it didn't work, and that is why LCCs are shying away from MOB.

You are so right here. FL tried MOB on a route in direct competition with a carrier that had literally 80% airport market share and failed, three times. What a surprise.

Since then, DL's market share has dropped by more than half, while MOB has responded well to additional service, especially westbound. AA now flies 4x DFW and 1x ORD, up from just 2x DFW two years ago. CO picked up the slack when DL thought we were washed away from hurricane Katrina, and has doubled its market share. I think LCC service to DEN (via F9) would work, as would WAS/NYC service. (via B6). Granted, these are VERY high aspirations, but I think that they could really work.


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6731 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1872 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Reply 7):
I think LCC service to DEN (via F9) would work, as would WAS/NYC service. (via B6). Granted, these are VERY high aspirations, but I think that they could really work.

In the long-term, you might be right. However the long-term being 10+ years from now.

I actually believe that MOB has a better chance of landing WN then B6 or F9. When it comes to serving smaller markets, the LCC's would generally rather have those smaller markets be a relatively short distance from their prime bases of operation. In the case of B6 and F9, the primary bases are quite a distance which makes the service difficult to sustain on lower fares...unless you can generate a substantial volume. WN might work better since they have "hub-like" operations closer (DAL, HOU, MCO, etc). Of course with all that said, I don't think MOB will see WN anytime soon.


User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1148 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1851 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Reply 7):
I'll be the first to say that I think that my dreams for a major LCC to make something substantial of MOB, are far fetched aspirations Smile, but in all seriousness, the level of service in MOB for city of its size is pathetic.

Agreed, absolutely. MOB needs something else besides the dominating legacies manipulating fares.

Quoting MOBflyer (Reply 7):
FL tried MOB on a route in direct competition with a carrier that had literally 80% airport market share and failed, three times.

Yeah, but you know how FL is, perfection (or All-Star performance) or bust most times. Maybe F9 to DEN would work ( didn't UA do MOB-DEN at one time?)



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User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1839 times:



Quoting MKE22 (Reply 9):
( didn't UA do MOB-DEN at one time?)

No. UAEX via DH did MOB-ORD and MOB-IAD, only to end on September 30, 2001. Their departure almost cost us US service, because of a shared ground handling provider. This is when the Mobile Airport Authority said that they would provide all station services, for a breakeven cost. It was successful is maintaining CLT service, and essential in recruiting AA's DFW, ORD, and soon-to-be MIA (shortly after PNS's announcement for ATR service, one will come for MOB. They always do.  Smile ). The airport now handles eight turns per day for AA and US. The MAA uses this program in all their pitches to airlines regarding new or increased service. They also open it up to current airlines, but no others have come on board. (Quite understandable - they don't want to lay off their own employees.)


User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1809 times:



Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 1):
they have rebuilt bigger and better attracting many more people.

They have rebuilt... But I would not say its bigger or better. I grew up in Ocean Springs, MS (Just across the way of the Casinos) and I much thoroughly enjoyed the PRE-Katrina Casinos.. The Post-Katrina Casinos... Suck.. The Beau Rivage and Hard Rock are alright though.

Quoting MOBflyer (Reply 7):
45 min to GPT

Dude.. Do you speed? It takes a good 35 minutes to get from GPT-PQL, and then another 15-20 minutes from PQL-MOB.
That is a good 1 hour drive or more right there... What do you drive to shave off 15 minutes? I made that drive a LOT!!!

I miss living on the coast, but I wouldn't go back there, unless someone paid me an exhorbitant amount of money


User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1786 times:



Quoting BR715-A1-30 (Reply 11):
Dude.. Do you speed? It takes a good 35 minutes to get from GPT-PQL, and then another 15-20 minutes from PQL-MOB.

Apparently, I do! I didn't think to look it up, until now, only to find that it's about 60 miles. I just know it takes me about 45 minutes. It's a lot of interstate, so that makes since. It should be atleast an hour.

Now when MOB gets high speed rail to MSY through GPT, that'll change - a lot! (We actually are on the funding list!)


User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1784 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Reply 12):
Now when MOB gets high speed rail to MSY through GPT, that'll change - a lot! (We actually are on the funding list!)

That will be a huge boost for the entire region. It has been needed for years. There's no reason to think it wouldn't be successful considering the population of the areas it will pass through.


User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1770 times:



Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 13):
That will be a huge boost for the entire region. It has been needed for years. There's no reason to think it wouldn't be successful considering the population of the areas it will pass through.

Do you know if it is supposed to be via Amtrak, another existing provider, or a new entity?


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