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DL/NW Boards Meet On Tuesday  
User currently offlineHNL-Jack From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 819 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 7 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9628 times:

According to the Wall Street Journal (2/19), both boards will meet on Tuesday. The article went on to say, both airlines would like to have a deal with the pilots prior to announcing the engagement.


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User currently offlineHNL-Jack From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9638 times:

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Pilots give conceptual OK to merger...board meetings move to Wednesday.

Published: Feb. 18, 2008 at 4:08 PM

"NEW YORK, Feb. 18 (UPI) -- The Air Lines Pilots Association has given Delta and Northwest Airlines the green light to continue with merger discussions, it was reported Monday.

The critical step means the pilots' union has given a conceptual nod of approval to the portion of the merger plan that blends each company's rules regarding pilot seniority, pay, rank and what size aircraft pilots will be allowed to fly, the Cincinnati Enquirer reported.

The boards of directors from Delta and Northwest Airlines could decide as early as Wednesday whether or not they will create the world's largest airline, the report said.

Delta Chief Executive Officer Richard Anderson has said any joining of the two companies would involve "seniority protection."

Delta's board is scheduled to meet in New York Wednesday and Northwest is also considering gathering its board together the same day, a source said."



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9426 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9587 times:

Well looks like NW and DL are going to walk out on that dance floor but i bet there is a boy over there at the DFW table who just might try and win her away from DL.

A little OT but, I would just like to say good luck to all DL and NW employees. I hope that Nobody has to lose there job over this.

P.S. I still have hopes for DL/UA



yep.
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32787 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9454 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 2):
Well looks like NW and DL are going to walk out on that dance floor but i bet there is a boy over there at the DFW table who just might try and win her away from DL.

Maybe AMR will fight fire with fire.

What I think would be an interesting event is if CO and AA combined to split-up United Airlines. For example, CO could take DEN/ORD/LAX, and AA could take IAD/SFO/Asian network. Just thinking out loud, but I think that if NW/DL gets serious, AA, UA, and CO are going to find a way to react to this, and that might be an interesting way.



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9424 times:

Is there a possiblilty that AA, reacts to a DL/NW merger, and tries to spoil the party by going for NW..and say succeeds, meanwhile CO/UA tie up and in the end DL is left with nothing at all. Again just thinking out loud.

User currently offlineLike2flyguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9386 times:



Quoting HNL-Jack (Thread starter):
According to the Wall Street Journal (2/19), both boards will meet on Tuesday

The article, which was released during the early morning hours on Tuesday (2/19) says:
"Both boards are expected to meet tomorrow ..."

Tomorrow means Wednesday (2/20).


User currently offlinePhilipkk From Canada, joined Sep 2006, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9306 times:

The meeting is today (Tuesday) and CNN is reporting expected outcomes of the meeting. Looks like a definite merger.

  • The new airline will be called Delta and headquartered in Atlanta, headed by Delta's CEO
  • All hubs of both airlines will be retained
  • The new airline will be part of the Skyteam alliance
  • KLM-Air France will have a stake in the new airline


User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6437 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9279 times:



Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 5):
Is there a possiblilty that AA, reacts to a DL/NW merger, and tries to spoil the party by going for NW

Don't forget Mr. Parker......



Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9244 times:



Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 8):
Don't forget Mr. Parker......

Is that Peter Parker?  Wink

I think US are still struggling to get over the last combo to get caught up in this latest round, surely their Unions would go ape! Saying that I would not be surprised if similar happens with AA, but with them I just cannot see sitting on the sidelines and then relegated to number 3, assuming UA/CO make an annoucement on the heels of DL/NW.
Arpey and his crew will be unlocking the war chest for a fight.
The next week will be very interesting, assuming everybody lays their cards on the table.


User currently offlineEtops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1092 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9165 times:

parker will not sit this out. trust me . don't care what anyone sais . i am sure he is taking a wait and see approach.

User currently offlineRbgso From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 592 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8738 times:



Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 4):
meanwhile CO/UA tie up and in the end DL is left with nothing at all.

Anything is possible, and not having a merger partner wouldn't necessarily be bad for DL, IMHO.........


User currently offlineFlyingcat From United States of America, joined May 2007, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8671 times:



Quoting Philipkk (Reply 6):
The meeting is today (Tuesday) and CNN is reporting expected outcomes of the meeting. Looks like a definite merger.

He is right the meeting was moved up from Wednesday to Tuesday probably because the pilots have come through and time is of the essence for approval.

The pilots groups still have to ratify the new combined list.

The list is not straight DOH.


User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8631 times:

How about CO joining DL/NW and then UA and AA join together?

User currently offlineCvg72 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 167 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8517 times:

Here's a CNN article about the financial effects of a potential NW - DL merger.
http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/19/news...est_delta_merger/index.htm?cnn=yes

I don't want to see this happening. It may keep DL and NW from folding, but it would raise costs and CVG would slowly get subsidized. We all have our opinions on the quality of service...I just think this would make it worse.

CVG72



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7545 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8341 times:



Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 4):
Is there a possiblilty that AA, reacts to a DL/NW merger, and tries to spoil the party by going for NW..and say succeeds, meanwhile CO/UA tie up and in the end DL is left with nothing at all. Again just thinking out loud.

AA doesnt have much of a case since most routes are not overlapping and its not going to be a cash deal.



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User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2241 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8341 times:

Too bad AC didn't take this approach when they took over Canadian. A lot of grief could have been avoided.

User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1660 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8313 times:

While this certainly looks like it will go through, lets remember something. This must all get pass the Feds. While I will agree the first one to the table @ the DOJ, it is not a given.


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User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8071 times:

Quoting Philipkk (Reply 6):
All hubs of both airlines will be retained

Wow..that's definitely a shocker.

I thought possibly CVG or DTW would be shut down. Keeping all hubs operational will be expensive.

Also NW has no western hubs. DL has SLC - expect a significant overhaul here?

Quoting Philipkk (Reply 6):
The new airline will be called Delta and headquartered in Atlanta, headed by Delta's CEO

Ah, yes. But for maintenance hub MEM would be a good choice, as I understand, there's no more "breathing room" in ATL.

Quoting Philipkk (Reply 6):
The new airline will be part of the Skyteam alliance

Interesting - Skyteam currently has 3 carriers, assuming CO jumps to Star to join UA only 1 U.S. carrier will remain - DL

[Edited 2008-02-19 10:26:23]


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User currently offlineBNinMSY From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8035 times:

This is NOT a good thing for consumers, travel industry nor employees.
I would suggest that you contact your Congress-person to voice your concern over loss of jobs, increased air fares, declining service, less frequent flyer seats available and policies tightened (I wish they would just do away with mileage accural anyway and keep the status benefits). Make your thoughts known now .. or forever hold your peace.


User currently offlineNasmal From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7813 times:

BNinMSY

I happen to think this is the best thing that could happen to the airline industry. Put it this way; if the price of oil goes up gas companies will pass that cost directly to the consumer very easily. This has been hard to do for the airlines, and the airlines have been declining financially because of this. The biggest reason is that there is way to much compeition. Now it has come down to the survival of the fittest. Airlines are starting to starve and need to find a new way of living for the future. Now on your points on increased fares, declining service. Yes fares may increase, and that is just the way it was going to be anyways. Is the price of filling up your tanks more expensive than 5 years ago? Fares will have to go up sooner or later, even for the low cost carriers such as Southwest. On the point on declining service ; I think you will actually see an increase in the quality of customer service. As two airlines combine, they will be in theory a lot more valuable and profitable providing more captial towards customer service. Don't worry about less routes! If a combined airline pulled of out cities I'm sure there will be the low cost carries and even new start ups to start servicing those cities! ITS A WHOLE NEW CYCLE!

mike


User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7475 times:

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 16):
While this certainly looks like it will go through, lets remember something. This must all get pass the Feds. While I will agree the first one to the table @ the DOJ, it is not a given.

The DOT and DOJ have NEVER proved to be the stumbling blocks to any airline merger where all parties maintained a good faith desire to complete the merger throughout. This will almost invariably remain true with any proposed mergers, regardless of the people or political parties in control in Washington.

[Edited 2008-02-19 11:32:14]


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User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3105 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7454 times:

Here is a report out of KSTP-TV which features the reporter (Bob McNaney) I alluded to the other day who I stay in contact with.

Courtesy: KSTP-TV
New Developments In Possible NWA, Delta Merger - Video Available
http://kstp.com/article/stories/S351165.shtml?cat=1

A Report From The New York Times:
Delta Air Lines Said to Be Near a Northwest Deal
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/19/bu...1&loc=interstitialskip&oref=slogin

Courtesy: CNBC - Video Available
A good report including comments regarding other potential airline mergers if the NW-DL thing flies:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=655906210

Courtesy: WCCO-TV, Minneapolis
Impact Of A NWA/Delta Merger Depends Who You Ask - Video Available
http://wcco.com/business/delta.nwa.merger.2.657216.html


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6474 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7450 times:

Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 17):
I thought possibly CVG or DTW would be shut down. Keeping all hubs operational will be expensive.

How could you possiblt have thought that DTW could possibly be closed.

[Edited 2008-02-19 11:32:55]

User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7428 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 2):
Well looks like NW and DL are going to walk out on that dance floor but i bet there is a boy over there at the DFW table who just might try and win her away from DL.

No there isnt...AA should be smart to sit it out and let the other airlines implode from the chaos a merger this size will bring.


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7350 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 2):
A little OT but, I would just like to say good luck to all DL and NW employees. I hope that Nobody has to lose there job over this.

Please, that is the whole purpose of a merger...cut costs and imaginary revenue sinergies.

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 12):
How about CO joining DL/NW and then UA and AA join together?

Evidently you dont ever want to e able to afford to fly again.....



Actually, implice in all these mergers is a flawed assumption: That the capacity reductions will be permanent and will allow the surviving airlines to earn a profit margin well above the historical average that will able airlines to have say the rate of return a bank has....it is flawed to say the least...any lomng run increase in proftis, will one: attreact newcompetition and two: will result in more militant labor....the airline mgmt can never win except to execute a merger than bail out with a huge severence


25 Yellowtail : Everyone is forgetting WN.....remember they have very generous bankers!
26 Jetlanta : Yeah, better to let the U.S. industry continue to rot away while the rest of the world moves ahead. This is the last chance for our carriers to funda
27 Congaboy : What a krok...this is said to pacify concerned parties. What happened to STL? That was retained post-merger for what, a year or two? I think CVG, MEM
28 EXAAUADL : Not MSP........why would they hack MSP?
29 Rbgso : Couldn't agree more. Most airline mergers end up being a monumental clusterf***. I am not convinced that consolidation is the answer.
30 EWRCabincrew : Look at the CO/NY/PE/FL merger in '87. It was chaotic (understatement), but look where we are now. It'll be a hiccup (albeit, maybe a big one), but t
31 Congaboy : MSP is a decent O&D market, but not enough to support fortress hub lift...I never understood the logic of having such large hubs 400-500 miles apart
32 Bobnwa : MSP has been a successful hub for decades just like DTW. Why on earth would Delta want to change that.
33 FFlyer : Just to underline this, the price crude hit $100.10 today. All the airline stocks are down.
34 Congaboy : Based on your handle, I can see how you would ask that question. Without looking at current flight schedules, I have got to believe there is a fair a
35 Post contains links KarlB737 : Courtesy: Minneapolis Star-Tribune -- 2:12PM NWA, Delta Pilots Reach Labor Deal In Principle: Seniority Unresolved Leaders of the Northwest Airlines p
36 EWRCabincrew : So was DEN for CO.
37 Alphascan : Hardly. The routes dropped will be to small and medium sized markets---ones which LCCs can't profitably fly to with the aircraft they fly. It isn't t
38 FFlyer : You want to go on with the list? Adding the ones from earlier years; maybe if CO, US and HP had gone away we wouldn't have had UA, DL, NW in Chapter
39 Bobnwa : I doubt DEN was ever successful for CO.
40 Acey559 : I just hope everything comes out okay. I love DL and I want to fly for them some day, and want the best for them, but at the same time I almost hope t
41 Post contains images ShannoninAMA : While you are probably just saying that no "profitable" hub is safe, ill go ahead and throw this in there. Wasn't the departure of CO's hub in DEN du
42 Post contains links Like2flyguy : Domestic O&D passengers year 2007: DTW 15,437,130 MSP 15,346,730 http://www.eclatconsulting.com/im_pdf/top_200_us_markets.pdf Domestically speaking,
43 Post contains images DeltaL1011man : Not really. Delta has TechOps which is 3 hangars and EV has the exEA hangar. FL has there new hangar and the old NW hangar is still open. If DL need
44 RedTailDTW : I feel the same way about NW. They are getting the short end of the stick and Delta probably won't keep anything around that reminds us of NW which m
45 Congaboy : Thanks for the relative comparison, that speaks a bit toward the revenue side (and certainly the lesser-served, under challenged markets have the hig
46 Worldtraveler : Oil closed above $100/bbl for the first time ever today. Clearly changes in the airline industry are needed.
47 PHXmd80 : So was PIT for US and STL for TW and DFW for DL. What I'm trying to say is never say never, especially in the aviation industry. PHXmd80
48 Post contains images Rwy04LGA : Better spelling = More credibility. Try 'Check Spelling' in the upper left corner. For the foreseeable future it will be the same planes, pilots, and
49 EWRCabincrew : That, too, was the point I was making. The only thing concrete in the airline industry is the runway.
50 M404 : All the publicity about the pilots union possible near arrival at a workable plan shows their real power. You have to note that NW has refused to meet
51 Doug_Or : Did you write both those paragraphs or was the second erroneously attributed to you?
52 United787 : Simple, higher fares to reflect higher fuel prices...
53 Burnsie28 : DTW wouldn't close as it is has far more O&D better facilities etc. I disagree, considering the only loss of jobs are going to be middle management,
54 EXAAUADL : US airlines are competitive in the world...I see DL and CO aggressively expanding into other nations, not retreating. Are you joking????? How do you
55 Doug_Or : Heck, you can add PDX to the list seasonally. Agree wholeheartly. Anyone who knows anything about the upper midwest understands the importance of the
56 Post contains images RJ777 : INCREDIBLE! That's a good one! So I guess in at least a couple of weeks' time Delta/NW will be ready to pop the cork!
57 Post contains images Cidflyer : totally agreed. I still don't understand people's thinking about DL paring down MSP. Comparing MSP to PIT or STL is like comparing apples to oranges,
58 Post contains images Allstarflyer : For an airline that's never gone BK, I'd say whatever they're doing, they'll do a good job of responding . . . whether it's sticking with what they'r
59 Jetlanta : But they will not be able to maintain the momentum if they can't reduce debt, raise capital, but aircraft and invest in product. The better positione
60 M404 : Doug_Or Quoting M404 (Reply 50): I, just like many in the industry, see no public benefits to this merger. Prices won't change anywhere but up with th
61 Like2flyguy : I'm not following your question here. O & D is "Origination and Destination" traffic: Domestic O&D passengers year 2007: DTW 15,437,130 MSP 15,346,73
62 Airbusaddict : Well wouldnt DL/NW have to pay the State of Minnesota 445 Million Dollars for that HQ move or whatever those financial things were from the MN governm
63 Northwestair : I was told by a friend that is a Manager for 9E that all Airport Managers for 9E have to report to MEM 2/20 for a mandatory meeting. She is suppose to
64 Tugger : Remember this has nothing to do with "public" benefit. This is a business not part of a marxist state, the key people to benefit are the shareholders
65 M404 : Tugger I quite agree. The reason I worded it that way was to spear the always dangled sentence they publicly wave that it's beneficial for the public/
66 Post contains links PHXtoDCAtoMSP : Apparently the deal is in "serious jeopardy" according to people involved in the talks. http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h...6NX4k_YVkVtwqeij5T_qacz
67 Post contains images Tugger : Funny thing is that for the public, right now is the perfect situation. No airline has enough market power to impose much of anything, each is trying
68 PHXtoDCAtoMSP : I would tend to disagree. I think that the Midwest is at a sever disadvantage here. Northwest obviously dominates MSP, dominates DTW, is very strong
69 Post contains links Lobster : I'm hoping. I REALLY don't want to see NW ruined by DL. But anyway, here is some local news from the Twin Cities http://kstp.com/article/stories/S351
70 Tugger : I am talking of the country as a whole. Yes there are definitely some markets where what I am predicting will happen has already happened: Where one
71 Post contains images DeltaL1011man : ruined? based on what? You are asking to get flamed
72 Lobster : I'm elite at NW. I continue to choose NW because they have a pretty good FF program. I've also had better service with NW as an elite. It says alot w
73 Post contains images DeltaL1011man : yea they suck so much thats why they have the 2nd largest FF base IN THE WORLD.
74 DALMD88 : I'll add a little to what has been said to shoot this idea down. I don't think NW even has a hangar in MEM. From what I have learned they only have N
75 Lobster : Proof? Besides, that really says nothing. Most of that is base members anyway. ATL-you can have it No advanced exit row seating on TATL/TPAC flights.
76 Bobnwa : None of the three hubs you mentioned were profitable. DTW and MSP are profitable.
77 Rbgso : Best news I've heard in a few days... Back when Useless Air was trying to buy DL I remember seeing alot of "Keep Delta my Delta" buttons on DL FA and
78 Bobnwa : Have you come across any NWA employees who would want to wear such a button? I haven't.
79 Rbgso : Well, no, but truthfully I spend little, if any, time on NW. I know there are a lot of NW employees that are fed up with management, that's understan
80 FFlyer : It was the effect of the $100 oil. All airline stocks took a deep dip in the afternoon.
81 DLPMMM : I think most FF programs have mostly base members. Thank you, I will take it. It is probably the best designed hub airport in the world. That has bee
82 Bobnwa : I would say yes they are. Have not met one who would want to wear the button you propose.
83 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : Of this size? Ruined by Delta? In what respect? Two TOTALLY different situations. What US was doing was a hostile take-over bid. Even management and
84 M404 : Bobnwa Thanks for your continued and candid support of NWA facts. It's appreciated. As for those buttons I almost agree. However, right now fear is ch
85 Like2flyguy : The answer is YES. I know a few are worried about their jobs. However, most of the employees I have talked to are excited about it and ready to get t
86 Post contains images Lobster : Unless you work in Reservations. Just say "Hello India". Here's hoping this deal falls through.
87 Post contains images PHXtoDCAtoMSP : Or if you are like me and work in Eagan Headquarters. I still am trying to find out what Northwest is getting out of this. Delta gets the name. Delta
88 Like2flyguy : I hope not. That is one thing about Delta I DO NOT like. It's the same issue with Dell Computers. Nothing against people from India, but when you liv
89 Post contains images DeltaL1011man : HAHA....you really think this deal will be stoped becuase the DALPA can't get the s**t together? please gah i hope not DL will get the same number of
90 Gigneil : Its good for all of them. Higher fares are necessary. That was because CO couldn't keep it together right then. You know that's true. DL/NW will not
91 EXAAUADL : Good answer....that is the major problem with this merger.....NWA employees are militant UAW influenced people from the socialist meccas of DTW and M
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