HNL-Jack From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 841 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10333 times:
Pilots give conceptual OK to merger...board meetings move to Wednesday.
Published: Feb. 18, 2008 at 4:08 PM
"NEW YORK, Feb. 18 (UPI) -- The Air Lines Pilots Association has given Delta and Northwest Airlines the green light to continue with merger discussions, it was reported Monday.
The critical step means the pilots' union has given a conceptual nod of approval to the portion of the merger plan that blends each company's rules regarding pilot seniority, pay, rank and what size aircraft pilots will be allowed to fly, the Cincinnati Enquirer reported.
The boards of directors from Delta and Northwest Airlines could decide as early as Wednesday whether or not they will create the world's largest airline, the report said.
Delta Chief Executive Officer Richard Anderson has said any joining of the two companies would involve "seniority protection."
Delta's board is scheduled to meet in New York Wednesday and Northwest is also considering gathering its board together the same day, a source said."
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 34580 posts, RR: 70
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10149 times:
Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 2): Well looks like NW and DL are going to walk out on that dance floor but i bet there is a boy over there at the DFW table who just might try and win her away from DL.
Maybe AMR will fight fire with fire.
What I think would be an interesting event is if CO and AA combined to split-up United Airlines. For example, CO could take DEN/ORD/LAX, and AA could take IAD/SFO/Asian network. Just thinking out loud, but I think that if NW/DL gets serious, AA, UA, and CO are going to find a way to react to this, and that might be an interesting way.
UAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10119 times:
Is there a possiblilty that AA, reacts to a DL/NW merger, and tries to spoil the party by going for NW..and say succeeds, meanwhile CO/UA tie up and in the end DL is left with nothing at all. Again just thinking out loud.
I think US are still struggling to get over the last combo to get caught up in this latest round, surely their Unions would go ape! Saying that I would not be surprised if similar happens with AA, but with them I just cannot see sitting on the sidelines and then relegated to number 3, assuming UA/CO make an annoucement on the heels of DL/NW.
Arpey and his crew will be unlocking the war chest for a fight.
The next week will be very interesting, assuming everybody lays their cards on the table.
I don't want to see this happening. It may keep DL and NW from folding, but it would raise costs and CVG would slowly get subsidized. We all have our opinions on the quality of service...I just think this would make it worse.
Roll Tide // Next: UA/EV/LH CVG-EWR-FRA-DUS-MUC-EWR-CVG
Burnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7909 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9036 times:
Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 4): Is there a possiblilty that AA, reacts to a DL/NW merger, and tries to spoil the party by going for NW..and say succeeds, meanwhile CO/UA tie up and in the end DL is left with nothing at all. Again just thinking out loud.
AA doesnt have much of a case since most routes are not overlapping and its not going to be a cash deal.
BNinMSY From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8730 times:
This is NOT a good thing for consumers, travel industry nor employees.
I would suggest that you contact your Congress-person to voice your concern over loss of jobs, increased air fares, declining service, less frequent flyer seats available and policies tightened (I wish they would just do away with mileage accural anyway and keep the status benefits). Make your thoughts known now .. or forever hold your peace.
Nasmal From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8508 times:
I happen to think this is the best thing that could happen to the airline industry. Put it this way; if the price of oil goes up gas companies will pass that cost directly to the consumer very easily. This has been hard to do for the airlines, and the airlines have been declining financially because of this. The biggest reason is that there is way to much compeition. Now it has come down to the survival of the fittest. Airlines are starting to starve and need to find a new way of living for the future. Now on your points on increased fares, declining service. Yes fares may increase, and that is just the way it was going to be anyways. Is the price of filling up your tanks more expensive than 5 years ago? Fares will have to go up sooner or later, even for the low cost carriers such as Southwest. On the point on declining service ; I think you will actually see an increase in the quality of customer service. As two airlines combine, they will be in theory a lot more valuable and profitable providing more captial towards customer service. Don't worry about less routes! If a combined airline pulled of out cities I'm sure there will be the low cost carries and even new start ups to start servicing those cities! ITS A WHOLE NEW CYCLE!
Avek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4522 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8170 times:
Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 16): While this certainly looks like it will go through, lets remember something. This must all get pass the Feds. While I will agree the first one to the table @ the DOJ, it is not a given.
The DOT and DOJ have NEVER proved to be the stumbling blocks to any airline merger where all parties maintained a good faith desire to complete the merger throughout. This will almost invariably remain true with any proposed mergers, regardless of the people or political parties in control in Washington.
EXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8045 times:
Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 2): A little OT but, I would just like to say good luck to all DL and NW employees. I hope that Nobody has to lose there job over this.
Please, that is the whole purpose of a merger...cut costs and imaginary revenue sinergies.
Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 12): How about CO joining DL/NW and then UA and AA join together?
Evidently you dont ever want to e able to afford to fly again.....
Actually, implice in all these mergers is a flawed assumption: That the capacity reductions will be permanent and will allow the surviving airlines to earn a profit margin well above the historical average that will able airlines to have say the rate of return a bank has....it is flawed to say the least...any lomng run increase in proftis, will one: attreact newcompetition and two: will result in more militant labor....the airline mgmt can never win except to execute a merger than bail out with a huge severence
: Everyone is forgetting WN.....remember they have very generous bankers!
: Yeah, better to let the U.S. industry continue to rot away while the rest of the world moves ahead. This is the last chance for our carriers to funda
: What a krok...this is said to pacify concerned parties. What happened to STL? That was retained post-merger for what, a year or two? I think CVG, MEM
: Not MSP........why would they hack MSP?
: Couldn't agree more. Most airline mergers end up being a monumental clusterf***. I am not convinced that consolidation is the answer.
: Look at the CO/NY/PE/FL merger in '87. It was chaotic (understatement), but look where we are now. It'll be a hiccup (albeit, maybe a big one), but t
: MSP is a decent O&D market, but not enough to support fortress hub lift...I never understood the logic of having such large hubs 400-500 miles apart
: MSP has been a successful hub for decades just like DTW. Why on earth would Delta want to change that.
: Just to underline this, the price crude hit $100.10 today. All the airline stocks are down.
: Based on your handle, I can see how you would ask that question. Without looking at current flight schedules, I have got to believe there is a fair a
: Courtesy: Minneapolis Star-Tribune -- 2:12PM NWA, Delta Pilots Reach Labor Deal In Principle: Seniority Unresolved Leaders of the Northwest Airlines p