- Stuff.co.nz poll shows that the majority of the public don't want secuirty upgraded for turbo-prop flights after an NZ flight was hijacked recently.
- Hawkes Bay is pushing for Australian flights.
- EK and its NZ operation and future possible routes, like WLG.
- OzJet will launch 4x weekly flights to PMR, but no date has been announced yet.
- Its been revealed that living beside or near an airport is bad for your health, and will result in bad blood pressure which causes heart attacks and strokes at an early age.
- KiwiJet has reached an agreement with an Australian airline to provide feeder traffic for its new domestic ops, which has been delayed till early 2009 at the Australian airlines request. Kiwijet will launch with a fleet of RJ100s and will operate 8x routes to start with.
- Discussed NZs B772 fleet and its new B773 fleet thats on order.
- WLG shows off its new International Terminal which is yet to be built, which will most likly become the most photogrpahed building in New Zealand due to its design.
And we sadly heard on TV1, TV3 and read on here and on stuff.co.nz that:
- A Cessna 152 and a Helipro helicopter smashed into each other above Paraparaumu, which is just north of Wellington. The crash happened above Placemakers Paraparaumu. The helicopter landed on the floor of Placemakers, killing the pilots on impact and the Cessna landed in a street beside Placemakers. Wreckage was scattered over 200 metres on both sides of Placemakers. One of the helicopter pilots killed was a pilot with the Palmerston North Square Trust Rescue Helicopter.
TG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (7 years 12 months 16 hours ago) and read 13115 times:
Let's start off with an opportunity for Koruman to crow:
SHANGHAI SCHEDULE CHANGE
Air New Zealand wishes to advise the Wednesday and Friday services AKL-PVG (NZ89) have been cancelled for the period 2-25 Apr 08 and the Thursday and Saturday services PVG-AKL (NZ88) for the period 3-26 Apr 08. Eighteen flights will be affected by this cancellation in total. Passengers on the cancelled services will be re-accommodated on next available flight.
777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12839 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (7 years 12 months 15 hours ago) and read 13066 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW HEAD MODERATOR
Quoting Cchan (Reply 3): Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
Kiwijet will launch with a fleet of RJ100s and will operate 8x routes to start with.
Assuming they are leasing these aircrafts, can they postpone the start of the lease contract for a year and still secure these aircrafts?!
Obviously each leasing company is different. If the owner can find another airline to use them intill Kiwijet need them, then yes. I believe I read somewhere that the RJs will be leased from a UK owner, which I think is BAe
Xiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 1001 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 12 months 15 hours ago) and read 13042 times:
Quoting TG992 (Reply 5): Would you care to explain why these flight cancellations are 'expected'?
When NZ announced last December temporarily decreasing PVG from July to November, the 3 times weekly flights to PVG did revert back to 5 on schedule. And then they canceled PVG to 3 times from end of April, earlier then annouced and canceled PEK from November with no explanation. Also PVG will not revert back to 5 from November. Just last week, the 2 weekly PEK flights become bookable again for flights after November. There has been too many changes as late so any more change won't surprise me. This does not make sense when they are still recruiting Shanghai based crew.
ZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5513 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (7 years 12 months 15 hours ago) and read 13030 times:
Quoting Xiaotung (Reply 6): This does not make sense when they are still recruiting Shanghai based crew.
The plan is to run daily flights to China either later this year or next so they need more crew.
Quoting Xiaotung (Reply 6): And then they canceled PVG to 3 times from end of April, earlier then annouced and canceled PEK from November with no explanation. Also PVG will not revert back to 5 from November.
PEK was never cancelled it just wasn't bookable. And I thought PVG would revert to 5 weekly in November making daily flights. Maybe not this year?
Koruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 12 months 13 hours ago) and read 12955 times:
Quoting TG992 (Reply 1): Let's start off with an opportunity for Koruman to crow
Quoting Xiaotung (Reply 6): This does not make sense when they are still recruiting Shanghai based crew.
I'm not actually going to smirk, because this is descending into chaos.
On the one hand, recruitment for Chinese growth continues as per the long-term plan. But Norm Thompson's comments, plus the long-term Shanghai reduction, plus now the short-term cancellations show that senior management are starting to contemplate the possibility that China is a failed route, and so they are cutting their losses.
The latest actions pretty much end the viability of AKL-PVG, though, because the customers from China have third world leave entitlements, and a 2 day schedule change basically cancels their vacation. Air NZ has basically pi**ed on its chips wth Chinese group travel agents now.
The fact that this failure was predictable doesn't make it any less sad, especially for those Chinese who entrusted their holiday in Air New Zealand.
Xiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 1001 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 12 months 12 hours ago) and read 12939 times:
Quoting Koruman (Reply 12): On the one hand, recruitment for Chinese growth continues as per the long-term plan. But Norm Thompson's comments, plus the long-term Shanghai reduction, plus now the short-term cancellations show that senior management are starting to contemplate the possibility that China is a failed route, and so they are cutting their losses.
This is how I understand the recruitment of Chinese speaking Auckland-based crew. Obviously the routes that needs them the most are AKL-PVG/PEK. Maybe NZ will implement a mixture of Auckland and Shanghai based crew on these routes. Can we see this as a sign of NZ extending PVG to Europe because the English skills of current Shanghai based crew won't be sufficient to cope with transit passengers (mostly non Chinese) once this becomes a reality? I know I have been only brainstorming but I just can't think of why else NZ would want more Chinese speaking flight attendents on any routes.
Cchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1776 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 12 months 11 hours ago) and read 12923 times:
Quoting Xiaotung (Reply 6): Just last week, the 2 weekly PEK flights become bookable again for flights after November
They probably just loaded the Northern winter schedules on the system.
Has NZ "firmed" the domestic schedules in April? Very few A320 flights!
Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 11): The new 'rock' design for WLG, please tell me thats not the final design? It looks ridiculous and absolutely stupid IMO.
I understand that WLG as a city usually likes to do things a little different and with a bit more 'flare' than the likes of AKL and CHC, but this is just an eye sore
Anyone here agree or disagree?
Not as stupid as the Singapore airlines aircraft in the background. The chance of that happening is rather slim. I hope the construction of those stupid rocks won't translate to a hike in the already expensive car parking charges.
Quoting Koruman (Reply 12): The latest actions pretty much end the viability of AKL-PVG, though, because the customers from China have third world leave entitlements, and a 2 day schedule change basically cancels their vacation. Air NZ has basically pi**ed on its chips wth Chinese group travel agents now.
I don't think so. If they go long haul, they will spend a week or so in NZ. If they are taking a weekend off to HKG or BKK, then you are right. I have seen some Chinese group tours in HKG, some of the guides basically yell at the poor tourists. It seems some Chinese group tour companies do not treat their clients with respect, so why do they deserve any respect from airlines?
I actually like it. It shows Wellington's idea of going the extra mile to create things, and not just create normal boring things, like boring buildings, like take Te-Papa, where else have you got a building in New Zealand like that, that has a design like that? IMHO, once its built and completed, it will become one of New Zealands most photographed building, if not the the most photographed and will become an icon that people need to photograph, which in turn will help with pax numbers at WLG. I've spoken to several people over this last night, and they all believe WLG has the most modern and best looking terminal in New Zealand. Every one else in the country, is to scared to think outside the box, but Wellington City, is clearly a city that likes to think outside the box!
Quoting Cchan (Reply 14): I hope the construction of those stupid rocks won't translate to a hike in the already expensive car parking charges.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't WLGs charges actually cheaper then the other main airports? WLGs parking will actually grow as part o the upgrade, so I think the extra parks will help offset any extra costs.
Ditching pilot saved by beacon picked up in NZ
An emergency beacon picked up in New Zealand has saved the life of an eccentric pilot who crash-landed his vintage plane in shark-infested waters in the Caribbean.
The Briton, Maurice Kirk, 62, ditched during his attempt to fly round the world in the World War 2 spotter aircraft, a Piper Cub, The Times newspaper reported in London.
Kirk, a vet who claims Scots ancestry, was rescued at the weekend after coastguards picked up a signal from his emergency beacon from the New Zealand Rescue Co-ordination Centre.
Infratil's profit shrinks 70pc in a flat third quarter
Infratil has posted a $4.1 million profit for the past nine months, 70 per cent lower than the previous comparable period.
The company's earnings, $240.5 million before interest, tax, depreciation, amortisation and other factors for the nine months to December 31, 2007, were up 137 per cent compared to the previous period's $101.3 million.
Infratil said the result reflected a flat third quarter, consistent with results from the first half of the year, and the discrepancy with last year's figures was because of $38 million of asset sales during the last nine months of 2006.
By contrast, the company experienced $8.1 million of impairments in the nine months to December 2007.
The leading light of Infratil's stable is Wellington International Airport, which announced a bold new $53 million revamp for its international terminal before the release of the result. The airport, two-thirds owned by Infratil, boosted its profit by 32 per cent for the third quarter to $5.9 million.
Rongotai From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 477 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 12 months 5 hours ago) and read 12840 times:
Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 11): The new 'rock' design for WLG, please tell me thats not the final design? It looks ridiculous and absolutely stupid IMO.
You have closely paraphrased the headline in the Bilbao newspaper when the design for the Guggenheim Bilbao was first released. While not supposing that The Rock will challenge that building's current world dominating status I think that it has some of the same edgy, challenging qualities. Personally I just love it.
Alangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 12 months 3 hours ago) and read 12789 times:
Qantas have a full page advert in Otago Daily Times with their sale. Reading the small print, it says that flights to and from AKL will attract a $13 fee in each direction. This is not the Departure Tax. Has anyone heard of this fee? Does any other airline charge this?
Also, QF is offering a fare to Santiago - this would mean flying to Sydney to catch this one.
SQ6807 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2008, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 12 months 3 hours ago) and read 12773 times:
Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 19): Qantas have a full page advert in Otago Daily Times with their sale. Reading the small print, it says that flights to and from AKL will attract a $13 fee in each direction. This is not the Departure Tax. Has anyone heard of this fee? Does any other airline charge this?
Nzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1549 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 12 months 3 hours ago) and read 12766 times:
Quoting Xiaotung (Reply 13): This is how I understand the recruitment of Chinese speaking Auckland-based crew. Obviously the routes that needs them the most are AKL-PVG/PEK. Maybe NZ will implement a mixture of Auckland and Shanghai based crew on these routes. Can we see this as a sign of NZ extending PVG to Europe because the English skills of current Shanghai based crew won't be sufficient to cope with transit passengers (mostly non Chinese) once this becomes a reality? I know I have been only brainstorming but I just can't think of why else NZ would want more Chinese speaking flight attendents on any routes.
[Edited 2008-02-19 04:39:03]
Hi The PVG based crew speak very good english and wont have a problem being understood by english speakers // This is from speaking to them .. They actually have a great sence of humour very much like the kiwi one that surprised me .. As for the extra Chinese language speakers they will probably be put on the AKL-HKG route im guessing mind you as they speak english as well they can be utilised on all routes as well as required ..
Kiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8898 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (7 years 12 months 2 hours ago) and read 12744 times:
Quoting Nzrich (Reply 22): Hi The PVG based crew speak very good english and wont have a problem being understood by english speakers // This is from speaking to them .. They actually have a great sence of humour very much like the kiwi one that surprised me ..
Agree entirely - flew PVG-AKL about three months ago and was unsure what to expect from the crew after having heard mixed reviews - was very pleased to find that they were competent , professional and friendly ... and most of all that they were actually real people just like the regular NZ crews . I always think that the crews must be one of NZs strongest selling points - given the choice between an NZ crew or a pod of identical plastic SQ robots I know which I prefer any day
Moderation in all things ... including moderation ;-)
ZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7204 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (7 years 12 months 2 hours ago) and read 12730 times:
Quoting 777ER (Reply 15): IMHO, once its built and completed, it will become one of New Zealands most photographed building, if not the the most photographed and will become an icon that people need to photograph
IMO it will be photographed alot, but not for the right reasons
Quoting 777ER (Reply 15): which in turn will help with pax numbers at WLG
I don't know about that, I wouldn't think many people would fly to an airport just to see a terminal building
Quoting Rongotai (Reply 16): You have closely paraphrased the headline in the Bilbao newspaper when the design for the Guggenheim Bilbao was first released
didn't know that, thanks for pointing it out
I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this one guys.
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: Why is all this talk of C Jets and E jets getting out of hands? Are there still some people who think that E jets are 50 seaters? No question that 50
: Air New Zealand's "PINK" flight will depart SFO this evening for the Sydney Mardi gras. The check in counters at SFO are very festive with everyone dr
: I raised this possible route either in thread #23 or #22. It would be a perfect route for either the Ejet or Cjet due to its length and flight times.
: I was just looking at fares on NZ and DJ for WLG-CHC for April, and I remember that QF said they were re-starting their WLG-CHC flights, when do these
: From another thread about the QF Annual Report: I was particularly interested in the word "particularly" as applied to Shanghai. What's the difference
: As ever, I have bad tidings to report about Shanghai. The Sydney-Shanghai route is very similar to any given Europe-Shanghai route: the premium cabin
: Fair use...In a copyrighted story Radio New Zealand claims that international air capacity to New Zealand decreased by around 258000 seats in the past
: I knew I could count on you, K'man !!!
: Another factor is New Zealand has far more strict requirements than Australia in terms of investment immigration. It makes Chinese millionaires virtu
: I have been suspecting for some time that Air NZ, Singapore Airlines and Emirates have a complex demand and price-fixing arrangement going on. I gues
: I think you are presenting a bit of a conspiracy theory there K'man. I acknowledge your analysis of high/low yield routes in the Pacific has been str
: If people keep themselves up to date with what Qantas are doing they will know that Qantas are adding twice weekly Melbourne-Shanghai flights startin
: I absolutely agree with that assertion. But an Air New Zealand 777-200ER has just (I presume) landed at Sydney from San Francisco and it is perfectly
: Very few. Three times return a year is not very frequent compared to people who go for business every week or month. Does someone has actual figures
: Agree with that. Its an 'opportunity cost' situation where NZ could quite easily load the 772 with more J seating and make a decent effort with the Y
: Firstly Alan, guilty as charged. Sorry. Secondly though, just review those facts you have provided. Qantas believes that Melbourne can support 470 se
: Other things - When Qantas introduces new services, they have to fight the claim that they are Sydney-centric, that is part of the reason they will be
: Air New Zealand should pay particular attention to the business model it is using for China and Japan. The fact Qantas uses Qantas (36J/199Y) A330 se
: Just to let you know Koruman... Shanghai is performing VERY well for QF...is quite a profitable market for QF...whereas Beijing and Mumbai are still N
: Pacific blue have a special with 29,000 seats for $29 for 29 hours on the Auckland - Wellington and Wellington - Christchurch domestic routes. Travel
: I believe a company like QF would like to get their brand name showing in China rather than JQ.. As China continues to develop, QF might have more op
: I'm not disagreeing at all. The fact that I think that Auckland-Shanghai is a dumb route does not mean that I think that Shanghai is a poor destinati
: Wondering how much the winglets weigh and if they can be an option (ie removed... I know they are an optional extra on -5,-6) because winglets wouldn
: Agree, and QF can quite effectively use the 2 weekly frequencies to attract the high yield market in combination with the 5 weekly SYD-PVG operations
: Hey Koruman, THanks for taking the time to explain what you are saying in many of your discussions...it makes more sense when you explain your reason
: From another source, I note that MU's flights from MEL and BNE to PVG are to be/have been reduced: BNE - all flights to be suspended from 20 Feb onwar
: This is consistent with K'man's reasoning that QF services are sustained by high yield Australian mining contracts. I would think those sort of passe
: You could argue that. But 5 Air NZ 777-200ERs drowned the market in 1565 Economy seats per week, while Qantas has two flights with only 199 Economy s
: Excepting the Chinese carriers, I think you are probably right. It has been interesting to watch the US majors clamour for limited Chinese flights. I
: Ozjet have finally started selling tickets to Palmerston North. The initial schedule is launched, starting at 2 services a week to BNE and 1 to SYD. B
: Air New Zealand, 80 owned by the Government, today reported it lifted its December half year net profit by 58 per cent to $115 million. It hiked its i
: These Aus-China flights operated by Chinese carriers are also popular options with Chinese students or immigrants in New Zealand. These flights are o
: That is not cheap. Especially not as a starting sale. Does a 732 have the legs for trans tasman, I thought it was once suggested it didn't?
: I probably wouldn't object to a Zeal767 subsidiary being set up with 24 premium Economy and 230 Economy seats, and being used to operate two aircraft
: If not mistaken, MU is also reducing London and New York. I think it reflects some serious management problems within MU rather than the problem of t
: Sounds extremely ordinary to me. What incentive is there for the general public (those that aren't from Palmerston North of course) to a, fly to Palm
: Their sale fares are comparable to AirNZ. For instance WLG/BNE is NZ205 each way, plus taxes which comes to NZ$513 return. For the same dates (Apr 4
: My feeling is either they can't get the plane in time and are just starting with the 732, or their site/database has not been updated to handle the n
: This for me begs the question as to whether the 73G isn't "too much aircraft" for a 733 replacement, and that something smaller and lighter should be
: 12 J class seats strikes me as quite a bundle for a route that I would think would be low yielding. And I agree with the above comments that the ince
: A couple of points on this: (a) IIRC, NZ once said that services to PVG would have started earlier than they did but for the lack of an aircraft with
: Haven't heard that one but I understand KIX is really struggling so won't be supprised, 767's with a decent load of cargo would struggle to make it t
: Yeah, I have a few issues with this too, and I suspect that the return back up from 777 to 747 services on NZ1/2 has contributed too. At the end of t
: And you wonder why people think you are anti-Asia?
: The ESAD AKL-PVG is about 5400nm. Assuming the passenger ready weight does not exceed 200k lbs. the payload is about 58k lbs. NZ's passenger load at
: Possibly reductions in capacity between Australia/NZ and China could be seasonal? Would Chinese come to NZ when it is freezing? If NZ returned to thei
: PE is doing very well to the US/Canada/UK - every flight I have been on there has not been one spare seat. NZs product represents real vaue for money
: Just looked at new PMR schedules for Ozjet. I see that first few flights from PMR to SYD show 4 hour 20 flight time, then it become 4 hours. This stil
: Yeah I saw that. I thought it might just be a little extra space to handle any teething issues at SYD - but I'm sure there are folks better informed
: Well thats what you get with no competition and WLG is nearly 2 hours drive away.
: Competition can be an overrated concept. Here at CHC all TT airlines charge the same flying from here to Australia - even the specials are the same.
: I am assuming here that 4.20 is not long enough for a stop, should it be that the 732 needs one, and then when they get a 733 the flight time will be
: For those who are interested, we had a delayed flight the other night so we had to add disrupted customers onto NZ2. The only choice was for BP & PE t
: Even the 4h 00 "standard" time seems very slow. When NZ ran 732s on CHC-HBA, they took 3h 20. A 4h 20m flight has to be about 500 miles further than
: Could well just be an error in loading the flights due to daylight saving changes. I know every year the NZ website gets screwed up for a few days, wi
: Sorry to burst your bubble Koruman, But Air NZ' is maintaining and expanding Shanghai base (not decreasing it) and the problem they have at the momen
: The answer to (b) is: most members of the general public can't tell between a 737 and an A320, between a 732 and 733 is even more difficult. Would lo
: Umm, MU's BNE services were always going to be for NOV-FEB only (trial flights or something). So it was a planned reduction/pullout from the start. R
: Are you suggesting that KIX would drop to 3x weekly total? Or that some service would be flown by 763 and some by 772er? My understanding of the curr
: What advantage do JL have over NZ when NZ can't sustain Japan services what makes JL or NH want to re-enter? It always bugs me that NZ don't partner
: According to Great Circle mapper PMR - SYD is 1229nm. According to the aircraft info on this site the average range for a 732adv with 115 pax is betw
: JAL Mileage Bank is a better (more rewarding) programme than Air New Zealand Air Points anyway, and is free to join.
: Is that supposed to be a threat or a promise? Bring it on! I can't imagine a better outcome - the country still gets its Japanese tourists and the ai
: But they could probably be able to distinguish the noise it makes when each a/c take off from a short runway.. Then you're left with the problem surr
: The B732Adv is restricted to a MTOW of about 50,000kg from a 6000ft runway (PMR is ~6200ft). Going by the payload/range chart for the aircraft, with
: Ozjet (or perhaps it was PMR management.) said it would be a 737-300. If Ozjet is doing what PMR management said they would do, it should be a 733 fro
: Aah, so the 4h 20m Ozjet schedule, longer than the current 3h 35m SJ schedule from PMR-SYD, is to allow a diversion in the route north to keep within
: In this case, by the time the passengers notice the noise, they have already paid for their tickets. In another thread, an a.netter describes 732s as
: You may think that competition is not working at CHC but look at the air fares they are always the cheapest out of all the NZ airports so yes competi
: I don't know where you get that info. from. My checking of websites often tells me AKL is the same and sometimes cheaper than CHC so I don't think yo
: I guess that answers the the 732 vs 733 question. Being the first flights, and only a month away, it is likely (at least based on Ozjet's tone) that
: Sorry if this has already been posted, but was news to me! Fair Use Excerpt: http://www.norfolkair.com/media/news_05.aspx ----------------------------
: Certainly not a good news to the residents around the airports!
: Sorry i meant when airfares are on sale they are usually cheaper ex CHC .. If Air NZ puts the tasman on sale the CHC ones are always slightly cheaper
: Ozjet seems interested in the New Zealand market. I am skeptical about where the passengers for this sevice will come from. NLK is not a well known d
: QF175 BNE-LAX made a scheduled stop in AKL today and will again next Sunday 9th March. Also QF will operate the A332 for the first time today on QF25
: Just saw it fly over. It must have been a 744ER then if it was scheduled for BNE-LAX. It's going to be a different sight seeing a QF A332 fly over so
: I think that is exactly the reason it wouldn't have been an ER. BNE-LAX-BNE likewise MEL-AKL-LAX-AKL-MEL use 2 class 744s except when the latter is a
: That would most likely be because of the seasonal cruise pax. The 332s in general will be a godsend as only the oldest and least reliable 744s are se
: Nah was a standard B744... ACARS mode: B Aircraft reg: VH-OJA [Boeing B744] Message label: 80 Block id: 5 Msg no: M44A Flight id: QF0175 [BNE-LAX] [Q