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Airtran B717 At Daytona Speedway?  
User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6162 posts, RR: 29
Posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8388 times:
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I saw a photo in the Detroit Free Press on Saturday of a ATA B717 in the infield of the Daytona Speedway. I assume ATA was a sponsor of the race and brought the plane in for show, did it carry anyone besides the crew?. Obviously there is enough room to land and take off, but is any kind of special permission needed because the race track is not an airport? I think it would have been cool to watch the landing and take off at the track.


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User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8367 times:



Quoting Falstaff (Thread starter):
ATA B717

ATA doesn't operate 717's?

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User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4696 posts, RR: 42
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8318 times:

I guess he means Airtran.


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User currently offlineJayDub From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8273 times:

Fair warning...before you get ripped for it, ya might want to change ATA to AirTran or FL.

Cue the peanut gallery...


User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1954 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8223 times:

In the infield?????? NO WAY I have attended many races at Daytona and there is no way to get a 717 into the infield..The airport is located on the same grounds as the speedway and several different camera angles with telephoto lenses may give the appearance that the aircraft was on speedway grounds...


Air Tran ran several 717's to DAB that week for the races as did Delta subed with 757's to ATL...

Even if it was remotely possible to tow the 717 into the infield for display, think of the liability and exposure that aircraft would be subject to....No airline in their right mind would allow a multi million dollar aircraft be subjected to such liability except maybe at an airshow on airport grounds...Off the airport No Way!

It would also be impossible to land the aircraft at the speedway as the wings would strike the perimeter wall on the backstretch of the speedway, the only flat portion of the speedway


User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2503 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8140 times:



Quoting UnitedTristar (Reply 1):
ATA doesn't operate 717's?

Sure they do.....  Wink


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User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6162 posts, RR: 29
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8138 times:
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Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 2):
I guess he means Airtran.

I did. I got busy and didn't have time to edit that the title.

Quoting Crownvic (Reply 4):
No airline in their right mind would allow a multi million dollar aircraft be subjected to such liability except maybe at an airshow on airport grounds...Off the airport No Way!

I thought it was odd too. But the picture in the Free Press sure looked like the plane was in the infield. There were cars on the track in front of it.



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User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7934 times:



Quoting Falstaff (Reply 6):
I thought it was odd too. But the picture in the Free Press sure looked like the plane was in the infield. There were cars on the track in front of it.

The airport is very close to the track. As you can see in the picture, the cars are coming off a left turn, meaning the plane is outside the track.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008802160325


User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3309 posts, RR: 30
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7909 times:



Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 7):
The airport is very close to the track. As you can see in the picture, the cars are coming off a left turn, meaning the plane is outside the track.

Yep. That's taxiway November.



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User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7630 times:



Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 7):
The airport is very close to the track. As you can see in the picture, the cars are coming off a left turn, meaning the plane is outside the track.



Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 8):
Yep. That's taxiway November.

You can also clearly see the fence between the track and everything on the background. What's even more deceiving is that there's a road (Midway Ave) between the track and the airport that is hidden by the height of the turn of the track. See a top-down view: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=DAB&ie...111&spn=0.004496,0.011802&t=h&z=17

Quoting Falstaff (Thread starter):
Obviously there is enough room to land and take off, but is any kind of special permission needed because the race track is not an airport?

The length inside the track might be long enough (for short field landing/takeoff) but there's certainly no where to land. There's no long strip of pavement that is adequate enough for landing an airliner. If your thinking about the track itself...it's not nearly as wide as a runway, and it's on a gradient even on the straight-aways. The only way you could get an airliner inside the speedway would be cut it up and truck it in through the tunnels or lift it in with a crane.


User currently offlineORFflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7555 times:

I can't find it now, but there is a really cool picture of Richard Petty driving down the backstretch with Air Force One taking off in the background. I believe it was the 707 and not the current 747.

User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6162 posts, RR: 29
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7528 times:
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Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 10):
I can't find it now, but there is a really cool picture of Richard Petty driving down the backstretch with Air Force One taking off in the background. I believe it was the 707 and not the current 747.

I would like to see that. I'm sure it is the 707. I don't think King Richard was racing anymore when the POTUS flew on a 747.



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User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7540 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7506 times:



Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 10):
can't find it now, but there is a really cool picture of Richard Petty driving down the backstretch with Air Force One taking off in the background. I believe it was the 707 and not the current 747.

It was in '86,I beleive.Long before the 747 AF1 came along. It was Richard's 200th win,too.



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User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3309 posts, RR: 30
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7477 times:



Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 10):
I can't find it now, but there is a really cool picture of Richard Petty driving down the backstretch with Air Force One taking off in the background. I believe it was the 707 and not the current 747.

This one?





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User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7328 times:



Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 13):
This one?

LOL I hope that's sarcasm cus that's obviously a fake/edited picture.


User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2174 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7196 times:

LOL. I could certainly see the current president flying in that.

User currently offlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3836 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7171 times:

I was at the 500. No way would they get a 717 in there, although it would've been cool to see.

On that note, there was an Embraer tent in the infield advertising "Embraer Business Jets". I didn't go in, but I'm guessing they had displays.

Quoting United_Fan (Reply 12):

It was in '86,I beleive.Long before the 747 AF1 came along. It was Richard's 200th win,too.

1984, 4th of July weekend.



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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7171 times:

from the pic the 717 is clearly not on the infield given the bank of the track

User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4715 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7114 times:



Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 14):
LOL I hope that's sarcasm cus that's obviously a fake/edited picture.

The plane with the race is not fake..the racing decals obviously are.

But AF1 taking off during the race is from 2004 Daytona 500 I believe that photo is from the new journal. I was working that day and you have no idea what an absolute pain in the F$%*& ing @$$ it is to have the president come when the airport is already an absolute mess on race day.



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User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3309 posts, RR: 30
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7051 times:



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 18):
The plane with the race is not fake..the racing decals obviously are.

No, even the picture itself is fake. It shows the cars about to cross the start-finish line, which is on the opposite side of the speedway from the airport.

For that picture to be real, you'd be looking at nothing but stands above the track, beginning the lower edge of the Nextel Tower.



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User currently offlineDALMD88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2612 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7006 times:

There is an actual picture from Bush's visit in 04. I have a copy of it. AF1 is taking off over the backstretch while Junior is going down the backstretch. I also have seen the King/Reagan 707 picture. It was hanging on the wall in the NASCAR suite at the track. I spent every raceweek working those suites during college.

User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6953 times:



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 18):
the president come when the airport is already an absolute mess on race day.

He tries... Whenever possible he likes to throw a monkey wrench into everything.


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4715 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6830 times:



Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 19):
No, even the picture itself is fake. It shows the cars about to cross the start-finish line, which is on the opposite side of the speedway from the airport.

Well its obviously doctored a little, but here are some of the origionals

http://www.stretching-it.com/bromley...nascar_bush_daytona_500_wxs114.jpg

http://idisk.mac.com/jenlart/Public/AFODaytona.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/14849068@N00/534210489/



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User currently offlineJbernie From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6420 times:



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 22):
Well its obviously doctored a little, but here are some of the origionals

What no conspiracy theorists about how Junior gets all the special attention?  Smile


User currently offlineMac26000 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6138 times:

1984, 4th of July weekend.



Delta Rules, The 747 wasnt in service as AF1 unitl 1989.


25 BAC111 : The Reagan-Petty photo was on July 4, 1984 and the race was the Firecracker 400. Reagan, airborne in AF1 (as the 707) gave the command to start engine
26 Post contains images D328 : ATA - AirTran Airways, it is their real name, so in some sort of way he is right? Haha
27 Mir : I thought it was American Trans Air. -Mir
28 Pilotboi : ATA is American Trans Air. But apparently some people like to refer to AirTran as ATA, which is very confusing, as it's already taken, and no where h
29 DeltaRules : My fault, I knew that. I was referring to the AF1 707...I should've specified.
30 Delta767300ER : I was at the Daytona 500 and saw several AirTran Boeing 717's at DAB. That photo is very misleading. I had to examine it several times. I have been on
31 Surfrider1978 : If i remember correctly it was a TWA dc-9
32 D328 : I was just making a point he said ATA, AirTran Airways. Who really cares though anyway, its just a flipping name.
33 DALMD88 : I don't recall TWA having service to DAB at the time they filmed the movie. My bet for a DC-9 would be Eastern.
34 Quickmover : No, I know what Surf is talking about, and it was TWA. I think it was a md80 though. The engine cowlings were white instead of polished like the dc9s
35 Post contains images Warszawa : Yep, and they even flew them to the moutainous rural arid landscape area that is JFK, where that particular photo was taken
36 727LOVER : A while back, wasn't ATA's parent named Amtran?
37 Pilotboi : Yes, the holding company of ATA was once Amtran, Inc. In 2002 it was changed to ATA Holdings Corp. In 2007 it was changed to Global Aero Logistics, I
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