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TAM Plane No. 110; No. 1 Airbus Customer In 2007  
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Posted (6 years 2 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4085 times:

Last week TAM took delivery of its 110th plane: an additional A320. TAM's current fleet comprises the following aircraft:

15 x A319
71 x A320
3 x A321
12 x A330
2 x A340
3 x MD11
4 x F100

TAM has a fleet of 103 Airbus. In 2007 TAM received a total of 33 Airbus planes becoming Airbus no. 1 customer (total aircraft delivery/year) putting TAM ahead of deliveries for airlines in China or India.

In June/July TAM is expected to received 4 B77W and the airline should end 2008 with a total 123 planes.

Rgs,

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User currently offlineJmbarros12 From Brazil, joined Nov 2007, 249 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4023 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Thread starter):
In June/July TAM is expected to received 4 B77W and the airline should end 2008 with a total 123 planes.

About these 123 planes... Are you considering the return of the MD-11´s?

Besides the B77W´s, what a/c will be TAM receiving in 2008?

Joao



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3975 times:



Quoting Jmbarros12 (Reply 1):
About these 123 planes... Are you considering the return of the MD-11´s?

Yes! Apparently TAM also take delivery of some B767 as interim solution for shortage of aircraft.

Here TAM's press release http://www.mzweb.com.br/tam/web/arquivos/TAM_PR_20080218_eng.pdf

Rgs,


User currently offlineJmbarros12 From Brazil, joined Nov 2007, 249 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3973 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 2):
Here TAM's press release http://www.mzweb.com.br/tam/web/arqu...g.pdf

Tks, for the info, Hardiwv.

Joao



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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3897 times:



Quoting Jmbarros12 (Reply 1):
About these 123 planes... Are you considering the return of the MD-11´s?

IIRC both the MD11 (and now 767) and a340's are short term additions, untill they have enough a330's and 77W's.



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User currently offlineJmbarros12 From Brazil, joined Nov 2007, 249 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3687 times:



Quoting Kappel (Reply 4):
untill they have enough a330's and 77W's.

TAM has ordered 16 77w´s, is that correct?

Can´t wait to see the first one land here in GRU................................ Nice plane.

Joao.



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User currently offlineDonzilasse From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3620 times:

TAM has 8 777-300ER,s on order.

Lasse


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3610 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 2):
Yes! Apparently TAM also take delivery of some B767 as interim solution for shortage of aircraft.

Not interim Hardi, will stay with JJ for up to 5 years.

Quoting Jmbarros12 (Reply 5):
TAM has ordered 16 77w´s, is that correct?

Only 8 in fact.

Quoting Kappel (Reply 4):
IIRC both the MD11 (and now 767) and a340's are short term additions, untill they have enough a330's and 77W's

The M11 is short-term solution and part of 77W deal. The A345 is not a short term addition, will stay on JJ fleet for 3 to 5 years IIRC.

Felipe



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User currently offlineJmbarros12 From Brazil, joined Nov 2007, 249 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3568 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 7):
Only 8 in fact.

So it was 4 orders plus 4 options deal, I presume. I thought it was a 8 + 8... My bad.

Are the A345´s related to the order of A350?

Btw, thanks for the infos, guys.

Joao.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3460 times:
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Quoting Jmbarros12 (Reply 8):
So it was 4 orders plus 4 options deal, I presume. I thought it was a 8 + 8... My bad.

Yes, but they already confirm the 4 options. So it's a 8 77W as firm order.

Quoting Jmbarros12 (Reply 8):
Are the A345´s related to the order of A350?

Joao, i don't know this, i really got the info that the A345 probably will fly MXP route. TAM knows that nowadays the international network provides a better yield and competition is not strong and it also help to increase domestic network with interesting loads and yields. Because of this, all planes are taking into consideration and new routes can be expected. There are rumors about 2 more 763 to be received in July (in addition to 2 which will be used on GIG-MIA)

Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3401 times:

And GIG/JFK direct. Not JJ8082 with land in GRU but independent flight.

User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3399 times:



Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 10):
And GIG/JFK direct. Not JJ8082 with land in GRU but independent flight.

Which will be launched with these "new" 767-300s in the near future?



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User currently offlineStarAlliance38 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1445 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3396 times:

I still think US Airways will still be the World's largest Airbus carrier. Airbus and US have a tight relationship. Airbus even gave some giant model planes to US. They now sit in the Corporate HQ Lobby in Tempe  Smile

And plus, US is the North American launch customer for the A350 and is still ordering more Airbus

Proud to fly the flag!



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3361 times:
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Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 10):
And GIG/JFK direct. Not JJ8082 with land in GRU but independent flight.

One top manager said to me GIG-JFK non-stop will be A332 with F in order to allow rotation at JFK with the other 2 nowadays used on JJ8080/81/82/83. They believe with less congestion, GIG flight will help to reduce delays at JFK.

Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3652 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3307 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 13):
One top manager said to me GIG-JFK non-stop will be A332 with F in order to allow rotation at JFK with the other 2 nowadays used on JJ8080/81/82/83. They believe with less congestion, GIG flight will help to reduce delays at JFK.

You mean reduce delays of the GRU-bound flights. The 332 that arrives first will immediately be prepared to fly to GRU, leaving the GIG flight delayed.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days ago) and read 3217 times:



Quoting StarAlliance38 (Reply 12):
I still think US Airways will still be the World's largest Airbus carrier. Airbus and US have a tight relationship. Airbus even gave some giant model planes to US. They now sit in the Corporate HQ Lobby in Tempe

No. TAM was Airbus no. 1 customer in 2007 measured by total number of aircraft delivered (TAM received 33 Airbus in 2007).

Quoting StarAlliance38 (Reply 12):
And plus, US is the North American launch customer for the A350 and is still ordering more Airbus

TAM will be the launch customer of A350 in Latin America.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 14):
You mean reduce delays of the GRU-bound flights



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 13):
GIG flight will help to reduce delays at JFK

I could not undertand the above point. How would a flight from GIG reduce delays in JFK, honestly?

Rgs,


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3364 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days ago) and read 3206 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 15):
TAM will be the launch customer of A350 in Latin America.

If/when they actaully confirm the conversion of their order to the XWB currently only Synergy (owners of Avianca) have a firm XWB order.


User currently offlineRobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days ago) and read 3187 times:



Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 16):
Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 15):
TAM will be the launch customer of A350 in Latin America.

If/when they actually confirm the conversion of their order to the XWB currently only Synergy (owners of Avianca) have a firm XWB order.

The firm up for 22 A350 XWB already happened in January. The order also includes 4 A330 and 20 A32S.

http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre..._21_tam_a320a330a350_order_EN.html


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days ago) and read 3176 times:



Quoting Robffm2 (Reply 17):
The firm up for 22 A350 XWB already happened in January. The order also includes 4 A330 and 20 A32S.

Correct. Old news....TAM already confirmed 22 A350 XWB in January!

http://www.mzweb.com.br/tam/web/arquivos/TAM_PR_20080121_eng.pdf


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3364 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days ago) and read 3165 times:



Quoting Robffm2 (Reply 17):
he firm up for 22 A350 XWB already happened in January. The order also includes 4 A330 and 20 A32S.

Ooops, was working from the Airbus Spread-sheet from the end of Jan which it must of missed.....


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3057 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 15):
I could not undertand the above point. How would a flight from GIG reduce delays in JFK, honestly?

Hardi, JFK-GRU is a never end delayed flight as each leg takes about 10h plus 2h15 on ground. Just need to consider 2 flights and we need 24h30min to run the flights.
How a GIG flight can help ? Just departing on time, GIG is an easy airport to do this, and almost empty by 10 PM with just a few international departures, while GRU, as you're familiar, face one of it's busiest hours. GIG can produce a 1h30 to 1h45 turn around that can help to prevent delays on JFK flights.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 14):
You mean reduce delays of the GRU-bound flights. The 332 that arrives first will immediately be prepared to fly to GRU, leaving the GIG flight delayed.

It will depend on how busy the flights are with connections. Both O&D markets are not a concern.

Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3652 posts, RR: 19
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3006 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 20):
It will depend on how busy the flights are with connections. Both O&D markets are not a concern

For foreigners is connecting at GIG faster than at GRU and considering the fact that it will be the only NYC-GIG nonstop, it will carry normally more O&D passengers, so there is no way TAM will not set JFK-GRU as a priority over JFK-GIG as to which should leave JFK on time.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2970 times:
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Quoting C010T3 (Reply 21):
For foreigners is connecting at GIG faster than at GRU and considering the fact that it will be the only NYC-GIG nonstop, it will carry normally more O&D passengers, so there is no way TAM will not set JFK-GRU as a priority over JFK-GIG as to which should leave JFK on time.

TAM expects that JFK-GIG helps to connect better people from VIX (7 flights to GIG, 3 to GRU), CNF (7 flights to GIG, 4 to GRU), BSB (8 flights to GIG, 3 to GRU), CPQ (3 flights to GIG, 1 to GRU), as well as good connections from SSA, POA, FLN, IGU and CWB. Agree that O&D to Rio will be a winner on this flight (with more than 120 daily pax IMO), but the connections will guarantee always higher loads and better yields.
On my last GIG-GRU-JFK, myself and another passenger from Rio were the sole payers for First Class although two more has been admitted with upgrades as both Business Class and Economy were full.

Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineA350XWB From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2893 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Thread starter):
In June/July TAM is expected to received 4 B77W

Is there any chance to see these birds in FRA?


User currently offlineLPSHobby From Brazil, joined May 2007, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2885 times:
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TAM is negotiating an A380 order, 4 firm orders and 4 options, to be received in 2012.

25 Jmbarros12 : Is that a rumour? Because I heard about this on last December, at the A380 visit to GRU. There was a rumour about a Latin American airline making a h
26 Hardiwv : FRA is expected to be operated with B77W and the A345 currently operating in FRA is expected to be moved to MXP. Rgs,
27 LPSHobby : Joao, This is a good informaton, from a good source, to be exact, the highest and better source possible, and I listened this from this person itself
28 Post contains links Jmbarros12 : Hope that turns out to be true. There´s a thread about this topic already. TAM - To Order 4 A380's + 4 Options? (by WINGS Nov 30 2007 in Civil Aviat
29 Hardiwv : Another important information is that TAM has become the biggest airline in the Southern Hemisphere - Qantas is now second. Measure by pax number of n
30 Post contains images WINGS : TAM may now be the largest airline, but the Qantas Group ( Qantas, Qantas Link, Jetstar, Jetstar Asia (49%) Air PAcific (46%) is still way ahead. Reg
31 Hardiwv : In my post I mentioned the biggest airline in the Southern Hemisphere - so my posistion holds, as TAM is indeed the biggest airline in the Southern H
32 Post contains images WINGS : I never stated otherwise. Regards, Wings
33 Jmbarros12 : Wikipedia shows that TAM has made a firm order for four A380, plus 4 options, to be delivered in 2014. The website also shows that TAM has a total of
34 Post contains links Jmbarros12 : I forgot to post the website adress. Sorry. http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/TAM#Frota Joao.
35 Donzilasse : Jmbarros12 Tam has 8 firm orders of 777-300ER,s. To my knowledge no order of A380 however it might not be impossible with a few around 2014. Lasse
36 Post contains images Cmtehori : The funny thing is that if a flight pushes back in JFK on-time and eventually takes-off right away, it gets in GRU some 40 minutes early. Happens all
37 Jmbarros12 : Indeed. The exact same thing happened to me last month. I was flying back to GRU from JFK on DL121 an the plane landed about an hour earlier than est
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