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NW To Start BDL-MEM  
User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3172 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2997 times:

It's official

Northwest Airlines Announces New Memphis-Hartford, Connecticut Service
EAGAN, Minn. – (February 19, 2008) – Northwest Airlines (NYSE: NWA) announced today it will offer seasonal daily nonstop service from Memphis to Hartford, Connecticut beginning June 15, 2008 and return service beginning June 16, 2008.

Northwest flight 5721 will depart Memphis at 6:35 p.m. and arrive in Hartford at 10:15 p.m. Seasonal service for this flight ends October 31, 2008.

Northwest flight 5776 will depart Hartford at 6:15 a.m. and will arrive in Memphis at 8:00 a.m. Service for this seasonal flight will end November 1, 2008.

The new Memphis-Hartford service will be operated by Northwest Airlink partner Pinnacle Airlines using 50-seat CRJ-200 aircraft.

Memphis-Hartford Service
Flight number: Departs: Arrives:
NW 5721 6:35 p.m. 10:15 p.m.


Hartford-Memphis Service
Flight number: Departs: Arrives:
NW 5776 6:15 a.m. 8:00 a.m.


“Northwest Airlines is pleased to bring non-stop Hartford service to our Memphis area customers in time for the peak summer travel season and continuing into the beautiful fall months in New England,” said Dennis Newman, vice president of network planning and scheduling. “With service to our hub in Memphis complementing daily services to Detroit, Minneapolis/St. Paul, Amsterdam, and Indianapolis, our customers in the Hartford area can now take advantage of Northwest non-stops to five destinations, with convenient connections throughout our global network.”

Northwest is offering 1,000 WorldPerks Bonus Miles for roundtrip travel between Memphis and Hartford from June 15 through July 15, 2008. Registration is required prior to travel. Additional terms and conditions apply. Details can be found at www.nwa.com/offers/membdl08.

The new flights between Memphis and Hartford are now available at www.nwa.com, through travel agencies or by calling Northwest Airlines Reservations at 1-800-225-2525.

Northwest Airlines is one of the world’s largest airlines with hubs at Detroit, Minneapolis/St. Paul, Memphis, Tokyo and Amsterdam, and approximately 1,400 daily departures. Northwest is a member of SkyTeam, an airline alliance that offers customers one of the world’s most extensive global networks. Northwest and its travel partners serve more than 1,000 cities in excess of 160 countries on six continents.


I really don't know why NW is doing this with the MEM to be gone.


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User currently offlinePremoBrimo From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 428 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2983 times:

Northwest has announced more routes in the past couple of days than in the past year alone. It must be because of all the new regional aircraft coming online.


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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3172 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2963 times:



Quoting PremoBrimo (Reply 1):
Northwest has announced more routes in the past couple of days than in the past year alone. It must be because of all the new regional aircraft coming online.

what other routes... this seems kinda odd cause of the merger



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User currently offlineAA757200 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2917 times:



Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):
Northwest Airlines (NYSE: NWA) announced today it will offer seasonal daily nonstop service from Memphis to Hartford, Connecticut beginning June 15, 2008 and return service beginning June 16, 2008.

If the merger goes through, this never gets off the ground. It gives the appearance that NW is moving forward with business as usual, regardless of merger talks. They need to do anything they can to get the stock price up.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5594 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2894 times:

I'm a little confused here: NW is apparently stopping the new SAN-MEM flight on August 18 while they have this new BDL flight running thru the end of October and the new COS service appears to be permanent/year-'round. The fact that SAN is seasonal at all is interesting but to be stopping it in mid-August...?

SAN is mainline (with a single flight) while the other 2 routes are Pinnacle CRJs but I'm surprised NW didn't at least continue the San Diego flight into the fall as a CRJ, just to see if the loads continued.

In any case, anything is a good start and I'm glad to see NW growing all their hubs, no matter how tentative, and under the shadow of all the merger talk...

bb


User currently offlineJano From Slovakia, joined Jan 2004, 827 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2873 times:



Quoting SANFan (Reply 4):
SAN is mainline (with a single flight) while the other 2 routes are Pinnacle CRJs but I'm surprised NW didn't at least continue the San Diego flight into the fall as a CRJ, just to see if the loads continued.

MEM-SAN on a CRJ? It's 1500+ miles, no way a CRJ can do that.



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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6531 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2873 times:



Quoting SANFan (Reply 4):
SAN is mainline (with a single flight) while the other 2 routes are Pinnacle CRJs but I'm surprised NW didn't at least continue the San Diego flight into the fall as a CRJ, just to see if the loads continued.

I don' think a CRJ could make MEM-SAN. An ERJ maybe but not a CRJ.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5594 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2857 times:



Quoting Jano (Reply 5):
MEM-SAN on a CRJ?



Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 6):
I don' think a CRJ could make MEM-SAN. An ERJ maybe but not a CRJ.

Oooops, my bad. I meant "E175" which is what the service was originally announced as, in late January, to be flown by Compass. Sometime a week or 2 later they u/g'd the equipment to an A-319. Thanks for the catch, folks.

bb


User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3420 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2807 times:

NWA is said to be parking a bunch of the DC9s at the end of the summer. I'd suspect that the E75s will then be used to back-fill other routes from DTW/MSP in place of the lost mainline capacity. Since there are more than enough CRJs to go around, but not E75's, the SAN-MEM flight is an unfortunate casualty of not having enough of the right size/type of aircraft to operate it longer.

thats my educated guess anyway


User currently onlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5225 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2774 times:



Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):


I really don't know why NW is doing this with the MEM to be gone.

MEM isn't going anywhere.



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5594 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2765 times:



Quoting PVD757 (Reply 8):
the SAN-MEM flight is an unfortunate casualty of not having enough of the right size/type of aircraft to operate it longer.
thats my educated guess anyway

And I would say a very good guess. I kind of wondered if it could be a/c availability but you've offered a perfect scenario; perhaps something will unexpectedly become available, or maybe something with a widget on the tail... (I know, MEM will undoubtedly go away if there's a merger and the entire issue will be uber-moot!)

bb


User currently offlineAA757200 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2748 times:



Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 9):
MEM isn't going anywhere.

Correct. The airport is not going anywhere. Its hub status post a merger, well that's an entirely different kettle of fish. You have been around long enough to recognize that post a merger with DL, MEM is a focus city - at best.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23299 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2711 times:



Quoting AA757200 (Reply 11):
You have been around long enough to recognize that post a merger with DL, MEM is a focus city - at best.

I wouldn't automatically conclude that. ATL cannot just swallow 200 more daily flights (or even 100). MEM will shrink for sure, but it's foolish to assume that it will disappear. There at least two other carriers with (successful) hubs closer together than MEM and ATL.



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User currently offlineATLgaUSA From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2678 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 12):
ATL cannot just swallow 200 more daily flights (or even 100)

Nor would the combined carrier want ATL to absorb those 200 flights. Reducing capacity is one of the benefits of the potential merger.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23299 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2666 times:



Quoting ATLgaUSA (Reply 13):
Nor would the combined carrier want ATL to absorb those 200 flights. Reducing capacity is one of the benefits of the potential merger.

Certainly not, and it will be interesting to see how the smaller hubs come out of capacity reductions... To use an AA analogy, I suspect MEM will come out somewhere between RDU and STL, but that leaves a big gap...



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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4296 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2643 times:

You know, I almost got excited until I realized it was a once-a-day CRJ.
It really doesn't stir my soul, I guess.



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User currently offlineAA757200 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2642 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 14):
MEM will come out somewhere between RDU and STL, but that leaves a big gap...

Using AA as a proxy, try something between RDU and SJC / BNA. I don't see a scenario where MEM will be anything more than a focus city. Between capacity reductions and the overwhelming superior connections offered at ATL, MEM does not stand much of a chance. Partisan ties to hubs and cities have to be cut in merger situations - and MEM has a bulls eye square on its back for such cuts, post a merger with DL.


User currently onlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5225 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2618 times:



Quoting AA757200 (Reply 11):


Correct. The airport is not going anywhere. Its hub status post a merger, well that's an entirely different kettle of fish. You have been around long enough to recognize that post a merger with DL, MEM is a focus city - at best.

More than a focus city. MEM and CVG are essentially 41 air miles apart in their relation to ATL and DL has hubs in ATL and CVG. DL had a mini-hub in MEM for years, competition from Republic and the collapse of Braniff sent them off to DFW and CVG away from MEM. DL knows the market well and MEM serves a different traffic flow than ATL, whereas CVG and DTW are mining the same flow.

Not to say there won't be changes @ MEM down the road, but it serves it's function well enough. NW has essentially right-sized the hub already and MEM is no threat to DL's mass at ATL. Geographically, it's not that far from ATL, granted, but ATL is the Southeast whereas MEM is more centrally located in the Midsouth and as such is more convenient for a big number of Southern travellers as a connection point than ATL.



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User currently offlineSpinkid From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2618 times:

Seasonal? Of course, because all people in CT do is dream about the south in the middle of summer. I don't understand the seasonality of this route.

User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4432 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2565 times:
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Quoting Spinkid (Reply 18):
Seasonal? Of course, because all people in CT do is dream about the south in the middle of summer. I don't understand the seasonality of this route.

Yeah, that's exactly what I thought. Sounds like a certain other airline that starts a majority of their routes as "seasonal".


User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1403 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2565 times:



Quoting Spinkid (Reply 18):
Seasonal? Of course, because all people in CT do is dream about the south in the middle of summer. I don't understand the seasonality of this route.

You must not read too many FL threads then.  Wink

In my interpretation, "seasonal" does not necessarily mean "leisure oriented", and I think the two terms are often used synonymously. It just means that for whatever reason, bookings are higher during a certain duration of time than others. As airlines are a business, if it doesn't make financial sense to run a route profitably during the lower "season", why run it?

-Mike



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User currently offlineLike2flyguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2524 times:



Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):
I really don't know why NW is doing this with the MEM to be gone.

Don't forget NWA flies to AMS from BDL.


User currently offlineAirguardtn From United States of America, joined May 2007, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2452 times:

We are just getting ready for Southwest. Just following BNA's lead from their post hub status.

User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3172 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2451 times:



Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 9):
MEM isn't going anywhere.

NW will at least downgrade it to a focus city..... they will probably lose flights to MEM



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4716 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2431 times:



Quoting Iowaman (Reply 19):
Quoting Spinkid (Reply 18):
Seasonal? Of course, because all people in CT do is dream about the south in the middle of summer. I don't understand the seasonality of this route.

Yeah, that's exactly what I thought. Sounds like a certain other airline that starts a majority of their routes as "seasonal".

Summer time demand in New England is signficantly higher in the summertime.. July @ BDL will do 150K+ more than January.

Quoting Like2flyguy (Reply 21):
Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):
I really don't know why NW is doing this with the MEM to be gone.

Don't forget NWA flies to AMS from BDL.

The MEM and AMS flights do not connect in either direction. MEM is a RON while AMS is an evening turn.



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25 Post contains images Jetblueguy22 : I know. I live in Ct and trust me going down south in the summer isn't on my mind. Now in the winter thats when I would like it. But then again in th
26 Post contains images FXramper : Why hasn't this route been in NW system before now?
27 Spinkid : We absolutely need B6 or someone else to fill the void to Florida. Delta is the only one offering non stops to FLL, PBI, RSW
28 Jetblueguy22 : I am really surprised they don't have any service to BDL. They have it to HPN and SWF which aren't that far from JFK. Maybe soon B6 or FL will give i
29 Cubsrule : Excellent point, though Memphis is smaller than Cincinnati. Still, MEM won't disappear or become a focus city overnight. That was the conventional wi
30 AA757200 : Um, that's putting it mildly. Routes in danger, how about a majority of flights from MEM that are duplicated at ATL. This should be read as anything
31 Cubsrule : Why, then, would DL run regional Appalachian traffic through CVG, when it can be just as easily, and in fact more profitably, run it through ATL? Fur
32 AA757200 : They are closer than ATL and MEM, that's for sure. ORD is not AA's headquarters (which is the comparison I was drawing). You are all together avoidin
33 MEMbase : Can it be more profitably run through ATL? How do block times for flights in/out of ATL compare to flights in/out of MEM? How much profitability is e
34 AA757200 : Of course they are, and I would expect them to offer even lower costs, as an inducement to get a merged NW/DL to stick around. And they will stick ar
35 Cubsrule : The relevance is that ATL and CVG are nearly the same distance apart as ATL and MEM and yet CVG seems to have stuck around (as a connecting hub pre-m
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