Hiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2118 posts, RR: 4 Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7937 times:
With the expressed interest by KLM/AF into the DL/NW deal this possible move by LH would not be unexpected...LH is already into B6....and wants into IB per recent reports. Perhaps this wave of consolidation may be broader than was originally thought....and has always been hinted at with the startup and growth of the alliances currently in effect as a possible end result down the road....
AznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3542 posts, RR: 5 Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7659 times:
Quoting Qazar (Reply 2): - Air One (because it's nice to own a little bit of Italy)
Not to change subject, but I do not understand the difference between Air Dolomiti and Air One, other than Air Dolomiti flies RJs and Air One flies mainline. Just want clarification, thanks!
As for CO/UA and LH, interesting times are ahead!
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Pnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2046 posts, RR: 12 Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7535 times:
With the noises made by AC lately look for a further a further LH connection. With Emirates on their aggressive expansion plans the way to battle it is to link together this way.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 22059 posts, RR: 51 Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7336 times:
Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 4): but I do not understand the difference between Air Dolomiti and Air One
They are two vastly different airlines.
Air One is Rome centered (with growing Milan ops) primarily domestic LCC with a few international destinations.
Air Dolomiti is a more premium commuter that focuses near completely on Northern Italy (including many smaller communities) and connecting them to Lufthansa's network at Munich. I dont even believe Air Dolomiti even has a single domestic Italian route at the moment, and is the reason why many people refer to Munich as "Italy's Northern most airport".
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Toxtethogrady From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 938 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7159 times:
Quoting Qazar (Reply 2): So how much cash does LH actually have?
I would think a carrier earning a billion Euros a year has some cashed socked away somewhere...
Toxtethogrady From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 938 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7138 times:
This deal follows a pattern that I see emerging which will eventually lead to three global mega-carriers being created - SkyTeam, Star and OneWorld, with individual carriers such as United, American, Lufthansa, British Airways, etc. merged into the larger whole. It can't happen without the second round of the Open Skies initiative in place, but it is inevitable. And the largest European carriers - Air France/KLM, Lufthansa and British Airways will be in the drivers' seat...
GayStudPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 421 posts, RR: 7 Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7078 times:
Still believe a DL/UA agreement would be better. Linkage with B6 would help solve DLs JFK infrastructure problem (although they do have a "plan")... more US west coast coverage/access... and a better international alliance. DL will definitely be the ugly step child compared to a UA/CO merger with LH investment.
EyesSkyward From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7038 times:
Quoting Toxtethogrady (Reply 9): This deal follows a pattern that I see emerging which will eventually lead to three global mega-carriers being created - SkyTeam, Star and OneWorld, with individual carriers such as United, American, Lufthansa, British Airways, etc. merged into the larger whole.
If this in fact happens, perhaps we may see Virgin Atlantic join the Star Alliance due to its ties with Singapore Airlines and frequent flier deals with some Star carriers (NZ, NH,CO, SK, etc.)
AznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3542 posts, RR: 5 Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6987 times:
Quoting Toxtethogrady (Reply 9):
This deal follows a pattern that I see emerging which will eventually lead to three global mega-carriers being created - SkyTeam, Star and OneWorld, with individual carriers such as United, American, Lufthansa, British Airways, etc. merged into the larger whole.
If this in fact happens, perhaps we may see Virgin Atlantic join the Star Alliance due to its ties with Singapore Airlines and frequent flier deals with some Star carriers (NZ, NH,CO, SK, etc.)
No, it seems SRB wants to "Virgin-ize" the world to make 4th mega carrier to rival the other 3 alliances. So far we have Virgin Atlantic, Virgin Blue/Pacific Blue/V Australia, Virgin Nigeria, and Virgin America with the possibilities of Virgins in Russia and India.
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BOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1887 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6946 times:
I'm not sure about VS joining the Star Alliance, but it would be great if they did because then *A would have access to LHR. The Atlantic is going to be quite a battleground in the merger wars and whatnot.
AznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3542 posts, RR: 5 Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6904 times:
Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 13): I'm not sure about VS joining the Star Alliance, but it would be great if they did because then *A would have access to LHR. The Atlantic is going to be quite a battleground in the merger wars and whatnot.
What about BMI?
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Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 88 Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6890 times:
LH is one of the most profitable airlines in the world, and investing 25% of what would be the largest airline in the world would make them that much more profitable.
Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 4):
but I do not understand the difference between Air Dolomiti and Air One
They are two vastly different airlines.
Air One is Rome centered (with growing Milan ops) primarily domestic LCC with a few international destinations.
Air Dolomiti is a more premium commuter that focuses near completely on Northern Italy (including many smaller communities) and connecting them to Lufthansa's network at Munich. I dont even believe Air Dolomiti even has a single domestic Italian route at the moment, and is the reason why many people refer to Munich as "Italy's Northern most airport".
Above all this Air Dolomiti is 100% owned by LH; Air One has only got commercial code share agreements with LH. Now THAT is the real different story....
UAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3355 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6011 times:
It was only a matter of time before LH came into the equation with regards to a UA/CO merger, if indeed that gets off the ground. You can be sure LH has a massive war chest available for such a scenario thats possibly going to be played out with AF/KLM on the DL/NW merger.
With AC also stating that they could be looking at investing across the border, UA with their strong tie up with AC, would be the obvious choice.
The thought of UA, merging with CO, CO, running the show, the UNITED name remaining plus a foreign investmant from LH and possibly AC is mouth watering!
Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 13): I'm not sure about VS joining the Star Alliance, but it would be great if they did because then *A would have access to LHR.
They already have a massive presence at LHR, all VS would add would be LHR to NYC and BOS across the Atalntic. I am sure BMI will fill that void at some stage. I dont think for one minute theres any chance of VS joining Star.
Quoting Gigneil (Reply 15): LH is one of the most profitable airlines in the world, and investing 25% of what would be the largest airline in the world would make them that much more profitable.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16261 posts, RR: 52 Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5917 times:
If CO/UAL goes through I can see a lot of additional service between EWR and IAH and Germany.
With regards to IAH we would probably see CO finally launch nonstop IAH-FRA, as well as LH increasing either the frequency or gauge of their IAH-FRA flights. I would also look for a nonstop IAH-MUC flight, either operated by CO or LH.
With regards to EWR;
I might look for either an increase in gauge of equipment or increased frequency to Berlin, Hamburg, Cologne and Frankfurt. As well as CO relaunching flights to Dusseldorf and Munich.
FriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4007 posts, RR: 6 Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5594 times:
Well, one things for certain. If LH and/or AC pump cash into this merger, the combined airline would 95% be staying in Star, which means the United name would almost certainly stay.
LH would invest in this combination for the sole purpose of keeping it in Star...any thing else is just icing.
Another thing...what if UA, AC, and LH collectively bought out CO?
Yellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5164 posts, RR: 2 Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5397 times:
Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 12): No, it seems SRB wants to "Virgin-ize" the world to make 4th mega carrier to rival the other 3 alliances. So far we have Virgin Atlantic, Virgin Blue/Pacific Blue/V Australia, Virgin Nigeria, and Virgin America with the possibilities of Virgins in Russia and India.
Don't forget Virgin Caribbean.....on the Caribbean Forum there are lots of comments about Virgin trying to acquire JM....
and Virgin is already expanding its services to the region from the UK....tie that in with services from the US arm and a Virgin Caribbean..you start to see an EK style empire.
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Qazar From Canada, joined May 2006, 311 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4654 times:
Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 20): Well, one things for certain. If LH and/or AC pump cash into this merger, the combined airline would 95% be staying in Star, which means the United name would almost certainly stay.
If a UA/CO merger takes place, why would one name disppear? Same talk is happening about a DL/NW merger where the Delta name will remain... Swiss, KLM, and eventually Alitalia are all names that are remaining after their mergers. In my opinion, United, Continental, Delta and Northwest are all very recognizeable brand names. I don't see why a merged UA/CO can not remain where the management and operations are all consolidated into one entity, yet both names operate based on location of hubs.
I believe this not only would allow the parent corporation to capitalize on 2 very highly recognizabble and respected brand names, but also will seem like it's giving the average consumer the choice. I give the example of a client who refuses to fly United because of a previous bad experience, and rather choose Continental instead - most people won't even realize that the both belong to the same parent corporation, yet the consumer will still be getting a choice (ignorance is bliss!!!).
All personal opinions kept aside in terms of previous travel horror stories, United and Continental are 2 airlines who have a very good reputation in terms of safety at least. Although I would LOVE to see both airlines merge, and I believe that their route networks are perfectly compatible and complimentary to each other, I would like both names to remain existant after the merger.
Thank you for shedding a little light on what you think is an advantage of merging names of these 2 brands.
Cheers!
25 Qazar: I understand what Sir Richard Branson is trying to accomplish by building his own 4th empire, but the fact of the matter is that the numbers talk for
26 FlyMeToTheMoon: So here is another question - if the UA/CO merger goes ahead with the added LH component what will happen with their respective ties with the credit c
27 AznMadSci: CO has several forms of cards with MasterCard and Chase Bank including debit card, President Plus, Business, and the regular credit card. Also, UA of
28 Landingshortly: Not to mention - Austrian Airlines (as soon they can get it cheap enough)
29 N328KF: I can see what you're referring to with SkyTeam (AF/KL+Alitalia and a stake in DL+NW) will be the dominant carrier by far. With Star Alliance, LH+LX
30 Baw716: I just want to comment on a few of the comments already made... Very true. The other difference (already mentioned) is that Air Dolomiti is owned by L
31 Continental180: how about Lufthansa mergers with United and lets call it a day... lets just keep continental out of this...ugh, its really gonna hurt some of there st
32 Continental180: agreed..wow this would be intresting, becase continental is a huge success for skyteam, and honestly, i think continental is very comfortable with Sk
33 Gigneil: Nah. CO couldn't care less about Skyteam. NS
34 EyesSkyward: What recourse would SkyTeam have if Continental were to withdraw? A monetary penalty that, with all things considered, would be like pocket change. I
35 UAL777UK: Agreed, sure there will be a penalty, but in the scheme of any deal as you say that is going to be nothing compared to the bigger picture. The big lo
36 BAW716: Assuming DL/NW actually attempt a merge? None. If CO/UA go ahead absent a DL/NW deal, then there is a lot that NW can do to stop the deal...that infa
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