Aruba From United States, joined Aug 2006, 128 posts, RR: 0 Posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1467 times:
Hi everyone.
I have always wondered this. Would there ever be a airline around the world that does not have hubs or any airports that are main airports. I mean, like a airline that flys routes that are important and in high demand. Not just an airline that is managed within one country. For example an airline that flys from JFK - LHR, or JNB - CPT, NRT - SYD, SYD - MEL, or AUA - DFW, DKR - LIS, IAD - Moscow. Or something like that. Sort of like Ryan Air. But on all continents.
Thanks Will
[Edited 2008-02-19 19:28:54]
B738,B752,A310,A319,A321,A343,A346,Dash8,EMB170_JFK,BDL,MBJ,SJU,AUA,DKR,JNB,CPT,HDS,IAD...But South Africa is the best!
CJAContinental From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 458 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1143 times:
I thought BA was considering transatlantic routes from CDG due to open skies as far as I know, which would be very strange.
The nearest thing to a world airline now is probably Emirates, just about everywhere is within reach. However, they operate from one hub at UAE.
However, in my opinion "continent" airlines certainly exist. Some LCC's in europe operate from more than one country as far as I know.
Scouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 2721 posts, RR: 6 Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1112 times:
Quoting CJAContinental (Reply 3): However, in my opinion "continent" airlines certainly exist. Some LCC's in europe operate from more than one country as far as I know.
Easyjet and Ryanair have more than 10 hubs each so guess is possible.
I wonder how we will actually see this happen is if one of the alliances merges into a single airline?
ClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 3805 posts, RR: 22 Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 971 times:
Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 5): I wonder how we will actually see this happen is if one of the alliances merges into a single airline?
That's probably the only way you'll see it.
There's a good interview linked off the main Flight Global page (down the bottom) with the Royal Jordanian CEO. He essentially says that RJ's strategy of concentrating on the Levant is paying off handsomely and they don't plan to expand much further than what they've already done. Any pax that want to go anywhere else can connect to the other 600 destinations via the oneworld partners.
I think it will take years before anything like that happens, but my prediction is that alliances are going to become a lot more important in future.
I choose to fly oneworld, as a member of Qantas Frequent Flyer.
Ctbarnes From United States, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 55 Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 883 times:
Quoting Boeing909 (Reply 8): One airline already tried: Pan American World Airways. However it didn't work as we all know.
Drat! You beat me to it!
IMHO, Pan Am could have survived if they had realized sooner they had to change and adapt to the global realities of air transport, as far back as the end of WWII. When Jack Frye's TWA and Croil Hunter's Northwest Airlines were awarded flights to Europe and the far East respectivly, Pan Am found themselves in a position they could not begin to fathom. They became so used to running roughshod over potential competitors they had no idea how to compete or what it would look like. Long after Trippe's retirement, the airline could not move beyond his shadow, and Pan Am continued to think they could do business the way they always had. Tom Plaskatt, the last CEO of Pan Am realized this too late when he took the helm of the troubled carrier. Things were starting to turn around when flight 103 was bombed. That turned out to be the body blow. After that, Plaskett lost hope as bookings collapsed in the aftermath of the disaster.
The sad thing about the loss of Pan Am is that their death was unnecessary, the result of poor management and a atrophied internal culture resistant to change because they could not move beyond their glorious past.
Charles, SJ
The customer isn't a moron, she is your wife -David Ogilvy
CJAContinental From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 458 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 626 times:
i mean, its common sense, that this would never happen. period....
goverments would never approve it and the general public would not approve of it.
Not to be too pedantic, though it is your OPINION that this would never happen. The overall matter is subjective and so views will differ due to individual opinion, there is no right or wrong, and therefore the post is not pointless.
Continental180 From United States, joined Oct 2007, 144 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 582 times:
Quoting CJAContinental (Reply 14): Not to be too pedantic, though it is your OPINION that this would never happen. The overall matter is subjective and so views will differ due to individual opinion, there is no right or wrong, and therefore the post is not pointless.
no its really not.. i mean, a reality check...the Goverment/Congress would NEVER approve this..due to the fact,
1) Prices would sky rocket
2) If you have international destinations, its automaticly considered a hub.....example, Southwest doesnt have any international destinations, so they call their cities focus citys..compared to continental, who has tons of international, has hubs...
3) It would cost a LOT of money, which one company could not afford, unless they rob banks.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 10652 posts, RR: 9 Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 544 times:
Quoting Boeing909 (Reply 8): One airline already tried: Pan American World Airways. However it didn't work as we all know.
Although Pan Am had an extensive network they still weren't what you could consider a "world" airline since all their traffic rights were based on bilaterals to/from the USA, with numerous 5th freedom rights, plus their Internal German Services when West Berlin could only be served by US, British and French carriers. For example, PA couldn't operate stand-alone flights between Europe and Africa, or between Canada and Europe etc. Apart from Berlin, all their flights had to originate/terminate in the USA (or be tag-ons to such flights).
Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 1): There are airlines where presently and in the past have had routes around the world. SQ, PA, and UA all have had RTW routes I believe.
And in the past also BA, TW, JL, QF, AF and probably a few more I've forgotten.
AirNZ From United Kingdom (Northern Ireland), joined Feb 2005, 2947 posts, RR: 11 Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 505 times:
i mean, its common sense, that this would never happen. period....
goverments would never approve it and the general public would not approve of it.
What, if I may ask, is in any way 'false' about it and 'common sense' to whom considering the OP merely asked a question?
This is a general aviation forum where any member is entitled to ask/discuss any question/topic with the concept of the forum rules so, may I ask, why are YOU seeking to determine if a question is needed or not needed? This is obviously only your OPINION, and which you are perfectly entitled to.....in which case simply ignore it instead of 'deciding' what can/cannot be asked or discussed.
Quoting Continental180 (Reply 15): no its really not.. i mean, a reality check...the Goverment/Congress would NEVER approve this..due to the fact,
1) Prices would sky rocket
2) If you have international destinations, its automaticly considered a hub.....example, Southwest doesnt have any international destinations, so they call their cities focus citys..compared to continental, who has tons of international, has hubs...
3) It would cost a LOT of money, which one company could not afford, unless they rob banks.
Actually, the 'reality check' might be better coming from you in the sense that you have outlined three subjective OPINIONS which you then seemingly declare as FACT when they are actually no more than your views.
RicciPettit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 505 times:
While not entirely one airline, Richard Branson seems to be heading for World domination with the numerous Virgin airlines, and I remember rightly plans to start up in Russia next.
TCT From United States, joined Jan 2008, 205 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 466 times:
I'm sure that in a couple of years, this world airline is gonna become a reality , thanks to Richard Branson, he's establishing different airlines in different countries under the Virgin name, and I'm sure that one day he's gonna decide to just combine all of these airlines that he's created into one mega airline, that has hubs in all over the world and is not based to just one country, its just a matter of time.
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