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TWA Last Flight FRA-JFK (video) Jan 1997  
User currently offlineTUNisia From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1845 posts, RR: 5
Posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10964 times:

Found this video while browsing around YouTube. Don't know if it's been posted before, but it's very emotional to watch.




Someday the sun will shine down on me in some faraway place - Mahalia Jackson
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User currently offlineL1011Lover From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 989 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10901 times:

I remember that day so well... I arrived in FRA on DL14 from ATL that morning... saw the 767 parked at the gate in the B concourse...

When I first heard about it late in 1996, I couldn't believe TWA was really going to abandon FRA service... in fact I didn't really believe it until January 13th, 1997!

Sad day...

I miss TWA and I miss Pan Am... and I miss Delta's FRA hub... it's amazing how times have changed... not for the good though... honestly this is how I feel abut it!

Thanks for posting...

RIP TWA and Pan Am

Best regards

L1011Lover


User currently offlineTUNisia From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1845 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 10815 times:



Quoting L1011Lover (Reply 1):
I miss TWA

I miss them greatly as well. It's hard to describe how great the TWA spirit was unless you experienced it for yourself. An interesting point to note is that TWA's European network in the 90s is what Continental/Delta/etc.. are aiming to emulate today (as far as destinations served). Too bad they didn't last and their Euro network wasn't broken up  Sad



Someday the sun will shine down on me in some faraway place - Mahalia Jackson
User currently offlineDETA737 From Portugal, joined Oct 2000, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 10766 times:

It's sad because FRA and ATH were the two European routes cut in 1997 as part of their efforts to restructure their JFK hub. It seems that FRA wasn't working for them and that they were having difficulty competing with Lufthansa, Singapore Airlines and Delta all flying this route. They never seemed to be as strong in FRA as they were in the rest of Europe. They flew to FRA between 1950 and 1975 and from 1978-1997. There were plans to relaunch STL-FRA in May 2001 (a route they had served from 1985-1989). The service was to be daily with a 767-300ER. However, by that time they were already in the process of merging into AA.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26021 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 10735 times:



Quoting TUNisia (Reply 2):
An interesting point to note is that TWA's European network in the 90s is what Continental/Delta/etc.. are aiming to emulate today (as far as destinations served).

CO/DL and other U.S carriers now serve far more points in Europe than TW did in the 1990s. By 1995 TW's Europe network had shrunk to only 9 cities -- LGW (they'd already sold their LHR routes to AA in 1991), CDG, FRA, LIS, MAD, BCN, MXP, FCO, ATH), plus 3 in the Middle East (TLV, CAI, RUH).


User currently offlineTUNisia From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1845 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 10709 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 4):
CO/DL and other U.S carriers now serve far more points in Europe than TW did in the 1990s. By 1995 TW's Europe network had shrunk to only 9 cities -- LGW (they'd already sold their LHR routes to AA in 1991), CDG, FRA, LIS, MAD, BCN, MXP, FCO, ATH), plus 3 in the Middle East (TLV, CAI, RUH).

In the very early 90s they served ARN, CPH, IST, GVA, TXL, MUC, BRU in addition to most of those cities you listed IIRC.



Someday the sun will shine down on me in some faraway place - Mahalia Jackson
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26021 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 10675 times:



Quoting TUNisia (Reply 5):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 4):
CO/DL and other U.S carriers now serve far more points in Europe than TW did in the 1990s. By 1995 TW's Europe network had shrunk to only 9 cities -- LGW (they'd already sold their LHR routes to AA in 1991), CDG, FRA, LIS, MAD, BCN, MXP, FCO, ATH), plus 3 in the Middle East (TLV, CAI, RUH).

In the very early 90s they served ARN, CPH, IST, GVA, TXL, MUC, BRU in addition to most of those cities you listed IIRC.

Correct. That was just before their bankruptcy and the start of their long downhill slide. I think even US Airways now serves at least as many points in Europe (possibly a few more) than TW did even in 1991. At one time, probably in the 1970s or so, TW carried more Transatlantic passengers than any other airline.


User currently offlineL1011Lover From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 989 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 10548 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 6):
I think even US Airways now serves at least as many points in Europe (possibly a few more) than TW did even in 1991.

In 1990/1991 TWA flew from 9 US gateways to 22 cities in Europe and were the number 1 transatlantic carrier... they always rivaled Pan Am the traditional leader across the Atlantic. In 1988 TWA finally had more nonstops from the US than Pan Am. Pan Am was more of a hub carrier in Europe than TWA and served many of it's European destinations through its "hubs" in LHR and FRA and also offered quite a few more point-to-point flights (tag ons to the US flights) in Europe with its huge fleet of 727's and A310's based here. Whereas TWA flew to more cities nonstop from the US and had a smaller intra-european network than Pan Am. They also served some destinations through a "hub" in CDG and through FRA and had quite a few point-to-point flights and they also had a small fleet of 727's based in Europe, but not to the same extend as Pan Am. Pan Am traditionally had a stronger intra-Europe presence and their FRA operation was much bigger than TWA's CDG operation (speaking about intra-Europe flights here). Their respective LHR operation were pretty much the same size.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 6):
At one time, probably in the 1970s or so, TW carried more Transatlantic passengers than any other airline.

That was also in 1988.

Best regards

L1011Lover

[Edited 2008-02-21 19:45:48]

User currently offlineTUNisia From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1845 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 10435 times:



Quoting L1011Lover (Reply 7):
Their respective LHR operation were pretty much the same size.

Do you know anything about TWA's "The London Desk?"

I've searched for info, but haven't found much. Was it just the name of the TWA LHR ticket counter?



Someday the sun will shine down on me in some faraway place - Mahalia Jackson
User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 10214 times:

Hi!

Thanks for sharing that video with us here. For those ( like me ...) that grew up looking to an airline like TWA surely a "rebel tear" came up. TWA was very popular in Portugal too, the first 747 that landed in LIS was from TWA, I remember seeing regularly their 707's, then the 747's, L1011's, 767-200/300 and finally the 757-200. I feel a lucky guy too because I had the chance to fly with in a tour I did in USA...MAD/JFK/SJU/MIA/STL/LAX/JFK/LIS, all in TWA L1011's Tristars except the MAD/JFK with a 747-100.
LIS flights also ended latter on, I think in the first quarter of 2001, it was a 757-200 that did the last flight and LIS controllers gave the chance to the TW plane to make a low pass over RN03 and after shaking the wings he finally left LIS after more than 50 years of flights to Portugal! Of course with that in mind you must be quite sensitive to TWA.
Regards


User currently onlinePHX Flyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 606 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 10072 times:

Watching this video is heart braking, even a decade later. But thanks so much for sharing this. I actually recognize some of the faces, the faces of TWA in Frankfurt. I hope that they all recovered from the sudden end of their careers, some of which had lasted for 30 years. It still makes me angry to think about howt an utterly incompetent management team was allowed to bring down this great airline. Rumor at that time had it that TWA felt they had to pull out of Frankfurt in order to lay off an overhead of employees who were still on the payroll from the time when TWA operated four or five flights a day out of Frankfurt. I have no doubt that this was indeed the motive behind this move, but it was once again a revelation of the incompetence that was rampant at TWA at that time, and this video is actually proof of this: they show a newspaper headline in there saying that Delta was laying of 400 in FRA in the wake of the closure of their hub operation. IIRC, Delta nonetheless never stopped flying into FRA.
Ironically, TWA started planning the return to Frankfurt just two years after the pullout. In the fall of 1999 a slot application was filed, but the allotted slots were not viable because of excessive ground time. One year later, all the ducks were in a row so to speak, but sadly, TWA did not survive long enough to make it back.

[Edited 2008-02-22 04:30:00]

User currently offlineDispatchguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1254 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 10072 times:

DL also had a dispatch facility at FRA - handled all of the westbounds from Europe back to the states.

Now everything is done out of ATL

EA, TW, PA - 3 names I badly wanted to work for when I was a kid

EA - my first flight
TW/PA - Went everywhere

Now, none

RIP

DS



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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 9866 times:

Thanks for sharing that! This might be a dumb question, but does anyone know the name of the opera song in the video?

Quoting TUNisia (Reply 2):
It's hard to describe how great the TWA spirit was unless you experienced it for yourself.

Indeed. I am young and never got to experience TWA in her glory days, heck I never even got to fly them to Europe, but I am happy that I have memories of flying them to Florida several times. I remember how gracious the flight crews were. They had such a great aura to them, as I think this video demonstrates at 3M,15S in...


User currently offlineNEMA From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 9160 times:

I once flew on a package developed by TWA from LHR to JFK.

The brochure was uniquely called ... jeTWAys

This was in 1986 if i remember correctly and nobody then would have ever expected this mainstay airline to demise.

Very sad.



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User currently offlineSoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 9140 times:

Thnx...just used up entire roll of paper towels...NOT BECAUSE OF THE VIDEO, BUT BECAUSE I JUST LISTED ROW OF TWA PAX SEATS ON eeeeeBAY!...now I want them back!!! (can I say that here?)

User currently offlineB767300ER From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 184 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 8922 times:
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Thank you for finding and sharing this video. Asa former TWA FA I can't belive its almost 10 years since my last TWA
flight. Although I'm quite happy here at DL I shall always miss the TWA people for their professionalism and spirit.
Gone but always remembered.


User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2174 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 8297 times:

Another video of the last TWA flight out of LHR....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5CT-cSpTjBU


User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 7471 times:



Quoting RJpieces (Reply 12):
does anyone know the name of the opera song in the video?

Time to say Goodbye by Andrea Bocelli and Sarah Brightman. They sang it in Italian and English. Youtube it.

Z


User currently offlineSoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 7331 times:



Quoting Travatl (Reply 16):

Good to see N93108 with the NEW COLORS...The leading edge of her vertical fin is in my basement along with her seven foot long American flag and other assorterd hatches and things. Last time I saw that plane she was home to some Tucson AZ snakes...sitting on her belly...SAD!


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9752 posts, RR: 31
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 7116 times:

Thanks guys for sharing these very emotional videos. TW701 was my very first transatlantic flight, not only that, my first flight in a 747 as well. TW 741 was written on my boarding pass more than once.

I did not know that HR TV could produce such passionate clips. Interesting to be remembered that FRA-JFK was DM 650,00 return in these days. Still sells for less than 500 Euro today, which is not bad, considering that the price for Diesel fuel has tripled since.
.
Liked the fly past of the 747 at LHR, must have been awesome to watch (and hear) that from the parking lot of the Renessaince Hotel. Unfortunately, they did not come back.

.



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User currently offline666Wizard From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 7076 times:

Back in the early to mid 90's I flew on business (always coach...) with UA and AA as they were my employers preferred airline across the pond (IBM).

But one day, I got my latest set of tickets for the good old US of A, and found I was scheduled to fly with TWA to STL and onward (to wherever). I remember it being a long flight on an early 747, which had only the in flight "video" on a screen on the compartment divider, and we had to close our window screens so everyone could see the movie... I had previously flown on VS with seat back video, and AA, with basically nothing, but thought this was quite quaint (or cute...). I remember that this was a GREAT day to fly, and we passed over Greenland and then northern Canada and the Great Lakes, and it was all pin sharp (sneaked the view from the back by the galley as I couldn't spoil the move for everyone...)

My one and only TWA trip, nothing remains of the return but the LHR video touched a chord in my calloused heart. Sadly missed, UA and AA were bland in comparison (TWA stays in my mind fondly now despite their lack of high tech, and don't get me wrong I am a big fan of VS and all they have done for TATL journeys), it's just sometimes you get a bit nostalgic, you know?


User currently offlineGecmd11 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 6602 times:

wow that was great...brings back old memories of my dad who was a long time TWA employee (35+yrs)
we flew many times to LHR on TW701/700 together in the 80's. That was flying!!! I bet my dad would recognize a few of those faces in LHR and FRA.........

TWA was one classy airline  champagne 


User currently offlineIFlyTWA From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 6047 times:

Thanks for posting the video!

Quoting PHX Flyer (Reply 10):
It still makes me angry to think about howt an utterly incompetent management team was allowed to bring down this great airline.

I feel the same way.

Not much (if anything now) left of the plane.


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User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5620 times:

Very emotional to watch this. I grew up in NYC but have a lot of family in the UK and Italy and we used to fly TWA each and every summer to FCO, LHR, or to GVA via CDG. The experience of seeing all those TWA 747 tails at Terminal 5 will always be with me. The service deteriorated very rapidly in the late 1980's. TWA was #1 across the Atlantic but the flights were always late, planes were getting old, and little was done to invest in new products, just as AA, DL, and later UA launched and expanded their transatlantic operations.

TWA 740/741 JFK-FRA-JFK was operated with 747-100's and late, 767-200ER's. Sad to see this video.

ContinentalEWR


User currently offlineL1011Lover From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 989 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5569 times:



Quoting ContinentalEWR (Reply 23):
TWA 740/741 JFK-FRA-JFK was operated with 747-100's and late, 767-200ER's. Sad to see this video.

TW 740/741 JFK-FRA-JFK was actually operated with the L1011 TriStar from the late 80's till the mid-90's when TWA pulled their L1011's off their transatlantic flights. The flight then switched to a 767-231ER... occasionally they used to serve the route with their 767-300ER... during the peak summer season... but it was mostly a 767-231ER.

But you are right, during the 1980's when TWA had quite a couple of flights out of FRA TW 740/741 was also operated with the 747-100's... depending on time of the year... the flight switched back and forth from being operated with L1011's and 747's.

TWA also flew their 767's into FRA in the 1980's... on TWA's BWI-FRA-BWI service... through LGW. I have to look up the flight number in one of their old timetables, but IIRC it was TW733... routing was BWI-LGW-FRA-LGW-BWI... and I believe TWA had full 5th freedom rights on LGW-FRA-LGW..

on a side note TWA served both LHR and LGW from FRA... while they flew the 767's into LGW the 727's served the route into LHR. They definitely had 5th freedom rights on FRA-LHR-FRA.

Best regards

L1011Lover


25 Sevenheavy : I took a day trip from LON to FRA back in October 1990, when my Dad still worked for TWA. It was for a school project and it was my first time flying
26 L1011Lover : 727's of US carriers based in Europe in the end usually had an awful utilisation. With the exception of PA's 727's and TWA's in the 1970's/80's. Pan
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