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Fate Of AA Capt That Fell Off Ramp In DAL  
User currently offlineLearjet23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9749 times:

Several years ago I was watching the news in Dallas about a CPT who steeped off the jetway unknowing it had been partly retracted, and he took a very long fall. The news was he was on life support and the community planned a prayer vigil for him. Any news on this.... just a tragic way to end up!

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User currently offlineContrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1832 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9340 times:

Was this at DAL or DFW? Any other details?

I remember a FA doing that at IAD a few years ago, but I never heard how she was doing.

I can see how such an accident can happen.



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9278 times:



Quoting Contrails (Reply 1):

I remember a FA doing that at IAD a few years ago, but I never heard how she was doing.

If it's the same case I'm thinking of it was fatal....



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User currently offlineRailker From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9076 times:

I remember a similar event happening. Mobile airstairs were positioned at the front sill of a 737, and the tug driver didn't properly disconnect from the stairs, or something that caused the effect. The cabin door was opened, and as the flight attendant went to step out, the tug driver drove away ... with the stairs.

Thankfully, the sill height of a 737 isn't simlar to that of the larger aircraft, and she only went to hospital with bruises and a scrape.

Can only imagine, though, the look on the tug driver's face. First, realizing the stairs were still (partially?) connected. And then seeing a flight attendant appear into view and fall to the ground.  Wow!


User currently offlineApollo13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7630 times:

How high is it from say, the main cabin on a 747 or a 777 to the ground? In feet or in stories?

User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8443 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 7022 times:
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Quoting Apollo13 (Reply 4):
In feet or in stories?

Storeys. 747 is 16'10" (5.1m) 777 is 17'4" (5.28m) not a distance you would want to fall onto a hard ramp.



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User currently offlineCurlyheadboy From Italy, joined Feb 2005, 940 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 5836 times:

I remember those AF pilots who jumped to the ground from the cockpit windows of an A320 several years ago. It happened after the plane was hijacked by some terrorists and was being stormed by SWAT teams. If I recall correctly, the two made it with survivable injuries. Though, I guess an A320 is lower above the ground than a 747 or 777, even at cockpit windows level...


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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3916 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 5799 times:



Quoting Curlyheadboy (Reply 6):
I remember those AF pilots who jumped to the ground from the cockpit windows of an A320 several years ago.

There is something of a difference between a fall and a jump though, one you are takne by surprise, the other you can somewhat prepare for the inevitable contact with the ground. There is a theory that its not the fall that kills you, but the landing.

I read a crew TR ages back for a U2 cabin crew member. Apparently U2 are obsessed with the possibility of this happening. They have put very stringent proceedures in place to prevent this from happening. IMHO, the easiest and cheapest thing to do is place a brightly colored tape across the door anytime the aircraft is on the ground and there is no airbridge/stairs connected.

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User currently offlineCURLYHEADBOY From Italy, joined Feb 2005, 940 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 5665 times:



Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 7):
There is something of a difference between a fall and a jump though, one you are takne by surprise, the other you can somewhat prepare for the inevitable contact with the ground. There is a theory that its not the fall that kills you, but the landing.

Totally agree, if you jump you usually try to land on your feet but, if you don't expect to fall, you may land head-first on the tarmac. I believe the chances of sustaining fatal injuries is higher if you recieve a head trauma, even falling from a short distance.



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User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3964 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 5638 times:

IIRC, the Air France Airbus that was hijacked was not an A320, but an A300. Makes a bit of a difference jump-wise.

User currently offlineQantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1286 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 5531 times:



Quoting Curlyheadboy (Reply 6):
I remember those AF pilots who jumped to the ground from the cockpit windows of an A320 several years ago. It happened after the plane was hijacked by some terrorists and was being stormed by SWAT teams. If I recall correctly, the two made it with survivable injuries. Though, I guess an A320 is lower above the ground than a 747 or 777, even at cockpit windows level...



Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 9):
IIRC, the Air France Airbus that was hijacked was not an A320, but an A300. Makes a bit of a difference jump-wise.

The FO broke his leg. And the Captain walked away uninjured.

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User currently offlineCURLYHEADBOY From Italy, joined Feb 2005, 940 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 5510 times:



Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 9):
IIRC, the Air France Airbus that was hijacked was not an A320, but an A300. Makes a bit of a difference jump-wise.

You're absolutely right, that was an A300 (reg. F-GBEC), AF flight 8969 and the incident happened on December 24, 1994.
Here is the video of the big jump of the first officer, surprisingly not only he does survive, but runs away.

http://www.filecabi.net/video/GIGN-AirFrance.html



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User currently offlineMadairdrie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 4465 times:



Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 7):
There is something of a difference between a fall and a jump though, one you are takne by surprise, the other you can somewhat prepare for the inevitable contact with the ground. There is a theory that its not the fall that kills you, but the landing.



Quoting CURLYHEADBOY (Reply 8):
Totally agree, if you jump you usually try to land on your feet but, if you don't expect to fall, you may land head-first on the tarmac. I believe the chances of sustaining fatal injuries is higher if you recieve a head trauma, even falling from a short distance.

Sometimes it can work the other way around, as if you fall your body does not tense up as much and as long as your land without hitting your head or another vital part of your body you sometimes have more chance of suffering less injuries than jumping where you muscles tighten and can make the impact on landing harder. Basically it all depends on how you land.


User currently offlineSJC4Me From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 373 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 4213 times:



Quoting CURLYHEADBOY (Reply 11):
Here is the video of the big jump of the first officer, surprisingly not only he does survive, but runs away.

You actually see two jumps in that video. One by the co-pilot, whom hits the ground like a ton of bricks; and one by a GIGN member who absorbs the jump with precision.

Intense video though. I couldn't imagine grenades going off in such a confined area like a cockpit.



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User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3976 times:



Quoting Curlyheadboy (Reply 6):
Though, I guess an A320 is lower above the ground than a 747 or 777, even at cockpit windows level...

Yeah, quite lower.

You don't want to fall or jump from the cockpit of any widebody unless it's into a pool of water or naked women.




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User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3524 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3976 times:



Quoting CURLYHEADBOY (Reply 8):
Totally agree, if you jump you usually try to land on your feet but, if you don't expect to fall, you may land head-first on the tarmac.



Quoting Madairdrie (Reply 12):
Sometimes it can work the other way around, as if you fall your body does not tense up as much and as long as your land without hitting your head or another vital part of your body you sometimes have more chance of suffering less injuries than jumping where you muscles tighten and can make the impact on landing harder.

If you're falling from the 10+ feet height, only luck can save you or kill you if you're not expecting the fall.

The co-pilot on the video jumped straight down - which is the best way to do it, because there's very little time to rotate if you just fall straight without any initial rotating moment. If you're walking out of the plane and expect airstairs to be there and they aren't, you're already moving in one direction (forward) ... so when you step off into infinity (I think that's what it would seem like for a fall like that), your body's going to rotate face first, and the relatively short fall won't leave much time for you to do a full rotation back onto your feet. So you do a face plant from 10+ feet up...ouch.

It reminds me of this time in college ... I was just about to go on a road trip with a buddy of mine and he was waiting in the car and I was running down the dorm stairs ... I made it down the stairs just fine, but when I got outside onto the patio/walkway part of the dorm exterior there was this cute little limestone wall about 3 feet high between myself and the way to his car. Since I was already running (for no real reason at all), I figured "I'm gonna jump it!" ...

It just so happens that on the other side of the limestone wall is a nice grassy area that's about 4 feet down from the top of the wall. I jumped ... and I just didn't pull my right foot up enough to clear it.

So here's all six foot two inches of me sailing through the air when suddenly my foot catches on the wall.

Needless to say, I ate it.

I came up with a face full of grass, not to mention getting the wind knocked out of me ... I felt like I'd been hit in the chest by one of those bean bag guns. But luckily I had a relatively soft (earth is softer than concrete) landing.

But because I was so surprised, my body didn't tense up at all - nor did I have any time to react and try to roll or anything like that ... although I don't think there's much you can do in that situation.



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User currently offlineAAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3466 posts, RR: 47
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 3781 times:



Quoting Learjet23 (Thread starter):
Several years ago I was watching the news in Dallas about a CPT who steeped off the jetway unknowing it had been partly retracted, and he took a very long fall.

The only incident remotely similar I can recall was a Capt. who was on the outside stairs of a jetbridge when the stairs failed (corrosion?) and he (and the stairs) fell to the ground. He was out "sick" for about a year IIRC. Never heard of any AA pilot falling by stepping off the end of a jetway.



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User currently offlineLegion242 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3464 times:

This happened at DFW. The crew were exiting the bridge by the stairs on the outside of the bridge and the stairs came off and dumped him on his head. He survived but had severe head trauma and is not well. I am pretty sure he never even walked again. Source: My Dad worked for AA at DFW at the time and knew the Captain.


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3187 times:

Why wasn't the safety tape installed if the Jetway was moved.
Rules are there for a reason.Pity it not being followed.
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User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4696 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2630 times:
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I know a UA mechanic who years ago fell out of a open door in the hangar, he was in intensive care for almost 2 weeks. crunched just about every bone in his face. he's fine now though.

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