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UA Neglecting BNA  
User currently offlineMTSUATC From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 120 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2747 times:

In the past 3 years UA has seen reduced service in BNA. 3 years ago we had 4 DEN flts all on 700's. Now we only have two flts to DEN reduced to 200's. Meanwhile other cities in the area are seeing an increase in capacity. I understand that there is a lot of competition on this route with WN and F9. But we could support increased service. The ORD flights have been reduced to 4 a day with a mix of crj's, erj's, and the occasional 700. With ORD being slot restricted a couple of years ago I understand this also. The flts to IAD have remained the same and I don't think there should be any increase of service on these flts. Just curious to get others opinions because it's sad to see my favorite airline at BNA be so neglected, and now service will go to nothing with DGS taking over all operations on Mar 31st.

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User currently offlineDsuairptman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 892 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2570 times:



Quoting MTSUATC (Thread starter):
and now service will go to nothing with DGS taking over all operations on Mar 31st

If DGS stands for Delta Global Services, good luck getting any help whatsoever as a pax through BNA on UA.



GEAUX SAINTS!
User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22726 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 2260 times:

It's a matter of competition primarily, I think...

DEN: LCCs up the wazoo (note that AA is dropping DEN-STL; it's the same sort of problem though, obviously, the hub is at STL for AA and DEN for UA)

ORD: AA still has a large following at BNA, and WN doesn't help any (sort of similar to RDU)

IAD: 2 carriers flying to DCA and WN equals a much worse competitive situation than at other stations in the southeast.

It's not like UA is doing anything wrong at BNA, but their options are REALLY thin.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineAirFrnt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2825 posts, RR: 42
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 2246 times:



Quoting MTSUATC (Thread starter):
In the past 3 years UA has seen reduced service in BNA.

Probably because it's not profitable and the market can no longer sustain the higher capacity.

Quoting MTSUATC (Thread starter):
Meanwhile other cities in the area are seeing an increase in capacity.

Which is probably why the market isn't profitable any more.


User currently offlineMTSUATC From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 2146 times:

IAD: 2 carriers flying to DCA and WN equals a much worse competitive situation than at other stations in the southeast.

Well I don't think that there is anything wrong with the IAD flts. Also the pax that fly on the flts to IAD are 90% international, lots of military personell travelling to FRA, and KWI. About the DEN flts, I completly understand the competition, I just don't understand how stations like HSV, and TYS are getting 2nd daily's with 700's when the flt loads are almost always booked to only about half, when the flts to BNA are consistently overbooked both inbound and outbound. Has all the LCCs brought yields down that much?


User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 2101 times:

I just think the MNAA has begged and pleaded to the point about adding more flights that it's uneconomical to fly mainline metal to BNA anymore. That goes for both UA and CO. Both offer copious amounts of flights to, you guessed it, their hubs everyday. Yeah, WN has driven the yields down here, but I also think the two legacies in question here have thrown their hands up as well. Shame on them too for being such wimps in the face of adversity. LOL!!

BNA is a growing market and the numbers here speak for themselves. At some point there may be a flight or two return to mainline on either of these two airlines, but i'm not holding my breath. CO seems to be the most abusing of the regional jets here at BNA. Look at it like this though, WN is expanding here slowly again so mainline metal is going to places like Chicago and Denver, Baltimore, Houston, etc. It's just not on one of the legacies.

I will admit, it makes me sick to my stomach to see OMA with as many 757 flights on UA as they get, and a city the size of BNA gets nothing but regionals. That's just more of a prideful thing on my part though.



Nashville, Tennessee KBNA
User currently offlineJonBNASTL From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1939 times:

Probably wishful thinking for my hometown airport, but I feel like UA could make a once daily BNA-SFO flight work, seeing as there aren't any flights to SFO right now (yeah, yeah, there's WN at OAK, but I'd bet there are some who would rather fly into SFO); plus, the flight could connect with their trans-pac flights.

User currently offlineMTSUATC From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1893 times:

Lexy I completly agree I'm not so upset about OMA, but when stations like BTV, ICT, DAY, and other smaller stations than BNA are getting Airbuses, and 737's, you kinda wonder what is going on? I think a once daily to SFO might work. I know it's wishful thinking but BNA does have quite a few 1k's that do fly to SFO, and I'm sure most would like to avoid ORD, or DEN. It would have to be a early morning flight to connect with the trans pac flts, but there are already good connections for those flts through ORD.

User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22726 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1861 times:



Quoting MTSUATC (Reply 4):
Well I don't think that there is anything wrong with the IAD flts. Also the pax that fly on the flts to IAD are 90% international, lots of military personell travelling to FRA, and KWI.

You can make the same argument for just about any station with good service to DCA and/or BWI, can't you? Both airports suck away a lot of the O&D.

Quoting MTSUATC (Reply 7):
Lexy I completly agree I'm not so upset about OMA, but when stations like BTV, ICT, DAY, and other smaller stations than BNA are getting Airbuses, and 737's, you kinda wonder what is going on?

It's tough when you have 2 legacies with very loyal followings and WN... most of the stations you list don't have that sort of competitive environment. It's not like CO, NW, or US works some kind of magic that UA cannot.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineTys777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 404 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1790 times:

Quoting MTSUATC (Reply 4):
I just don't understand how stations like HSV, and TYS are getting 2nd daily's with 700's when the flt loads are almost always booked to only about half, when the flts to BNA are consistently overbooked both inbound and outbound.

The TYS flights are usually full, both times I'v been on it, it has been booked solid months in advance. I'm flying the new afternoon flight here in a few weeks and it has been booked solid since the middle of Jan.

With Gas prices climbing, people in East Tennessee are less willing to drive to BNA (me included) That's also a reason CHA saw its passenger numbers rise 25% even before Skybus showed up.

[Edited 2008-02-24 14:22:49]


Is it bad that I get excited to see even a CRJ overfly? Man, what this place does to you
User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1772 times:

Well, consider your UA presence (however small it may be) a blessing. We would love ORD, IAD, or DEN service!

User currently offlineMtsuatc From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1662 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Reply 10):
The TYS flights are usually full, both times I'v been on it, it has been booked solid months in advance. I'm flying the new afternoon flight here in a few weeks and it has been booked solid since the middle of Jan.

Actually I just checked the bookings through mid March for both flights going both ways and they are all wide open, the only exception being on Sunday when they're still not book to capacity.


User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1646 times:



Quoting Tys777 (Reply 9):
With Gas prices climbing, people in East Tennessee are less willing to drive to BNA (me included) That's also a reason CHA saw its passenger numbers rise 25% even before Skybus showed up.

TYS has nobody else on that route so I would HOPE it was booked. That's not the case here in Nashville. With WN acting like DEN is the next best thing since sliced bread we have WN and UA, along with F9, dooking it out for top dog on that route. Why I don't know, but they are all out to get eachother. UA just concedes it to the LCC's I guess.

If BNA got any type of mainline metal out of UA it would be to ORD and that's it. SFO is out of the question thanks to WN and the idea that at some point, Virgin America would gobble that route up.

UA and CO short sell Nashville and I have believed that since I started paying attention and until something changes, I will always think that. Blame it on WN or whatever, but sometimes I just shake my head in disbelief.



Nashville, Tennessee KBNA
User currently offlineTys777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 404 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1580 times:



Quoting Mtsuatc (Reply 11):
Actually I just checked the bookings through mid March for both flights going both ways and they are all wide open, the only exception being on Sunday when they're still not book to capacity.

Then Check March 14th, and get back to me



Is it bad that I get excited to see even a CRJ overfly? Man, what this place does to you
User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1554 times:



Quoting Tys777 (Reply 13):
Then Check March 14th, and get back to me

What difference does this really make? Again, go back to my comment before your last and you will see why those flights are presumably booked solid from TYS.



Nashville, Tennessee KBNA
User currently offlineMTSUATC From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1526 times:



Quoting Lexy (Reply 14):
Then Check March 14th, and get back to me

Ok I stand corrected. The one morning flight is booked full in coach, but the other flight is still wide open, and the return flights from DEN are wide open. You can't compare that to BNA being overbooked 90% of the time going to and from DEN.


User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1516 times:

You would think that if UA can make ATL-SFO work, BNA-SFO could work as well with a 319. Just do an early departure to catch the Asian bank of flights. UA has had that ATL-SFO flight for years and they keep pluggin' along. And BTW, I've taken UA 351 serveral times, and its always packed. And it seems like very few people know about it, but it sells. Go figure.


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User currently offlineTys777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 404 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1483 times:

Quoting MTSUATC (Reply 15):
Ok I stand corrected. The one morning flight is booked full in coach, but the other flight is still wide open, and the return flights from DEN are wide open. You can't compare that to BNA being overbooked 90% of the time going to and from DEN.

Actually, I'm booked on that afternoon flight and it's booked solid.

I'm not asking you to compare them. If BNA-DEN was making money they wouldn't have downgraded it. There must be a reason that UA, AA, and US have upgraded various TYS routes

Quoting MTSUATC (Reply 4):
I just don't understand how stations like HSV, and TYS are getting 2nd daily's with 700's when the flt loads are almost always booked to only about half, when the flts to BNA are consistently overbooked both inbound and outbound.

I guess thats why they are running the airline and not us.

[Edited 2008-02-24 19:42:47]


Is it bad that I get excited to see even a CRJ overfly? Man, what this place does to you
User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22726 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1474 times:



Quoting Iflyatldl (Reply 16):
You would think that if UA can make ATL-SFO work, BNA-SFO could work as well with a 319. Just do an early departure to catch the Asian bank of flights.

UA fills 124 daily seats on ATL-SFO... just based on the population disparity between Atlanta and Nashville, that's equivalent to about 37 daily seats on BNA-SFO. Even accounting for the DL hub, I think we've found our problem. UA sends the smallest aircraft it has that can fly ATL-SFO on the route, and BNA-SFO is thinner.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1474 times:

Who flies mainline into TYS these days besides DL. I used to live up there years ago and I've lost touch.


Ah, Summer, Fenway Park, Boston Red Sox and Beer.....
User currently offlineMTSUATC From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1461 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 18):
Actually, I'm booked on that afternoon flight and it's booked solid.

I just checked it and no the afternoon flight is not booked.


User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22726 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1461 times:



Quoting Iflyatldl (Reply 19):
Who flies mainline into TYS these days besides DL. I used to live up there years ago and I've lost touch.

Just DL (IIRC they're down to one mainline flight a day... they've really cut back in central and east Tennessee; I think they have a total of 8 daily mainline flights to the entire state of Tennessee now).



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineTys777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 404 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1454 times:



Quoting Iflyatldl (Reply 19):
Who flies mainline into TYS these days besides DL. I used to live up there years ago and I've lost touch.

No one, but AA, US, and UA have all added capacity lately. AA adding CR7s the same with US

Quoting MTSUATC (Reply 20):
I just checked it and no the afternoon flight is not booked.

Then explain why the seat map for that flight is shown as being completely full, so I cant move my seat like I was hoping to. Oh well...



Is it bad that I get excited to see even a CRJ overfly? Man, what this place does to you
User currently offlineMTSUATC From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1448 times:



Quoting Iflyatldl (Reply 19):
UA fills 124 daily seats on ATL-SFO... just based on the population disparity between Atlanta and Nashville, that's equivalent to about 37 daily seats on BNA-SFO. Even accounting for the DL hub, I think we've found our problem. UA sends the smallest aircraft it has that can fly ATL-SFO on the route, and BNA-SFO is thinner.

Although I would love to see BNA-SFO on UA, it will never happen. The only non stop to the west coast besides WN is on AA to LAX, and that flight has stayed around even after the hub closed.


User currently offlineMTSUATC From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1441 times:



Quoting MTSUATC (Reply 23):
Then explain why the seat map for that flight is shown as being completely full, so I cant move my seat like I was hoping to. Oh well...

If your not a premier of higher, or have already purchased economy plus you will not be able to change your seat. UA holds those seats for premiers or higher. The regular economy seats have already been taken. But the flight still has 20 or so seats left.


25 Tys777 : I had been thinking about using that LAX flight to go see some friends in SoCal, but if I do its going to end up being on UA, DL, or NW so that I can
26 Iflyatldl : I know, that amazes me with DL and FL around, but they do it. I know comparing ATL and BNA is like comparing apples and oranges, but if WN can make B
27 Cubsrule : ...and barring some catastrophe (e.g. people completely stop listening to country music), that AA flight isn't going anywhere. There's an astounding
28 Lexy : BNA-SEA BNA-OAK BNA-LAX BNA-SAN BNA-ONT (Nashville is the only east coast city served out of here now I believe) I think service to the West Coast fr
29 MTSUATC : Good luck getting an upgrade from DEN, or ORD to LAX those flights are always booked in F, and if they're not there's plenty of GS, and 1K's looking
30 Lexy : They can't and if they could, it wouldn't be economical at this time to do something like that. But that brings up one GOOD idea here. Why doesn't UA
31 Cubsrule : Either the 170 or the 175 could theoretically do it, though headwinds would be a potential issue in the winter and runway performance might be proble
32 Tys777 : nah, I'd be upgrading on the TYS-DEN segment. I know better than to even think about it to LAX,
33 Lexy : Well, they would have some serious weight restrictions in July and August when it gets really hot I would think. DL used to send a E170 SLC-BNA n/s b
34 MTSUATC : I've been wondering why they don't just try out one a day to ORD, or DEN. And on a side note I would like to thank everyone for the good discussion.
35 MTSUATC : Shouldn't be a problem
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