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Best Business Class Seats - Times Of London Survey  
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26005 posts, RR: 22
Posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9729 times:

AC will be pleased with their #1 ranking in this Times of London survey of longhaul business class seats.
http://travel.timesonline.co.uk/tol/...travel/business/article3378515.ece

Edit: On reading the article in more detail I don't think the order is intended to reflect a ranking of the top 10 with AC the best. It's just an alphabetical listing of the carriers the Times considers in the top 10 (although SQ and Silverjet are out of alphabetical order!)

[Edited 2008-02-22 16:04:27]

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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27317 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9645 times:

Hmm and quite a few TR's have not be that positive on AC's new J class product!!! Im glad UA made it . Their new product is very good.

User currently offlineAzncsa4qf744er From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 696 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9024 times:

I'm very Happy to see United Airlines made it on that list.

The statement are so true:

"The appearance of an American mainline carrier here may be something of a shock....."

Go United!!!


User currently offlineAeroMaxx From United States of America, joined May 2006, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8990 times:

I would expect that United would come out in the 5-10 rankings... they do look like they have a good business class product with those new seats.

User currently offlineCHANGYOU From Singapore, joined Nov 2003, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 8717 times:
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What about CX, EK and MH? CX just launched their new jcl the same time as SQ isn't it?

User currently offlineCalvin99 From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2001, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8514 times:

did you guys see "In Association with British Airways" tag on the top right of the article?

I can't believe they will show it there..!! Makes me feel like the report is pay by BA to do it..!!

Mind you that I am not saying BA is deserving to be there..!!


User currently offlineRwy04LGA From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8360 times:

How would Delta's 'BusinessElite' product compare? The new 77L with the lie-flat seat should be demonstrably better than the current product. Oh well, we'll see what happens next year.


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User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7987 times:

I was disappointed to see that they didn't include pictures of all of them!

only 6 of them were there...I know what they look like but the average reader probably wouldn't

-m

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User currently offlineJoshSixtySeven From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7947 times:

I've been with AC in the XM'd J and, although I haven't seen many of the other carriers listed such as UA, I'm gobsmacked.

The new AC interior is nice, granted, but it's really nothing special. I'll try dig out the few pics I have from earlier last year.

I'm shocked to see EY in fourth, I remember seeing a couple of TR's on here and their first looked spectacular.


User currently offlineCyvr From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 13 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7905 times:

Yeah, the list is a bit loopy because I'm really surprised to see AC on top. I just flew their business class on the 777 from YYZ to LHR two weeks ago and it was good but not great. I've also flown Jet Airways business from LHR to DEL in Dec and it was a far better product overall.

User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7763 times:

I just hope we get those new F & J seats of UA's into LHR ASAP as I have a few trips coming up.

User currently offlineEmiratesUK From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7648 times:

I think you wil find that AC is not top, but infact they are listing the "TOP 10" business class seats in no particular order.

The order is alphabetical and not ranking in order of best.

AC is no different to NZ or VS



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User currently offlineComorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4903 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7613 times:

Quelle Rubbish...

BA's new CW doesn't deserve #2, while the Old CW did. Problems - feels like an office cubicle (claustrophobic), privacy window can chop off your fingers, no head flaps. The seat assumes everyone is six feet tall as the headrest bulges at the wrong place for us shorties. Worst of all, since the unit is fabricated as a 2 seat unit - you can feel every move of your fellow passenger! It is not rigidly mounted on the cabin floor so the 'give' is annoying. The LCD screen is not as adjustable (you have to look up instead of gazing down) and a host of other 'improvements' leave me unimpressed.

As for VS, it is a high quality seat - love the leather, the active seat belt and the fact that you don't have to have the seat upright for takeoff and landing. VS is also kind enough to make your bed, but it isn't the most comfy to sleep on. The BIG problem with VS is the absolute lack of privacy, thanks to the herringbone configuration. You end up staring at 3 fellow travelers throughout the flight (and vice versa), especially in the nose section of a 747.

This is a BS article from the Times of London.


User currently offlineEmiratesUK From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7558 times:



Quoting EmiratesUK (Reply 11):
I think you wil find that AC is not top, but infact they are listing the "TOP 10" business class seats in no particular order.

The order is alphabetical and not ranking in order of best.

AC is no different to NZ or VS

As I said before - this is not in order of best etc... its simply in alphabetical order... nothing more... they are highlighting the top 10 not a ranking who is the best!



EK A380 Private suite - Here I come!!
User currently offlineOlympus69 From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 1737 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7445 times:



Quoting EmiratesUK (Reply 13):
As I said before - this is not in order of best etc... its simply in alphabetical order... nothing more... they are highlighting the top 10 not a ranking who is the best!

I have to disagree. If they weren't listing them in order why would they number them from 1 to 10? If they're not in sequence of quality they'd say so. I can't comment on the rankings since AC is the only one I've actually seen.


User currently offlineAzncsa4qf744er From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 696 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7183 times:



Quoting Cyvr (Reply 9):
Yeah, the list is a bit loopy because I'm really surprised to see AC on top. I just flew their business class on the 777 from YYZ to LHR two weeks ago and it was good but not great. I've also flown Jet Airways business from LHR to DEL in Dec and it was a far better product overall.

Isn't AC and 9W have the same seating manufacture? Herringbone configuration?


User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4042 posts, RR: 53
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6849 times:



Quoting Olympus69 (Reply 14):
I have to disagree. If they weren't listing them in order why would they number them from 1 to 10? If they're not in sequence of quality they'd say so. I can't comment on the rankings since AC is the only one I've actually seen.

Is it just co-incidence that they are in alphabetical order then ?. Just look at the airlines involved. There is no way on earth that an airline like Eos would be better than the likes of SQ or VS !!.

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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26005 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 21 hours ago) and read 6477 times:



Quoting Cyvr (Reply 9):
Yeah, the list is a bit loopy because I'm really surprised to see AC on top.



Quoting Olympus69 (Reply 14):
Quoting EmiratesUK (Reply 13):
As I said before - this is not in order of best etc... its simply in alphabetical order... nothing more... they are highlighting the top 10 not a ranking who is the best!

I have to disagree. If they weren't listing them in order why would they number them from 1 to 10?

It is definitely not a ranking with AC best. It's an alphabetical listing of what the Times considers the 10 best. I think they numbered them only because they referred to their "top 10". The probability that a ranking starting with the best would come out in alphabetical order is beyond the realm of believability.


User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1251 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 8 hours ago) and read 6209 times:

How comes Eos Airlines is on the list? I thought they were a First Class only airline?

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26005 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5956 times:



Quoting 8herveg (Reply 18):
How comes Eos Airlines is on the list? I thought they were a First Class only airline?

That's just marketing terminology. They say "First class service, business class prices", but it's officially sold as a business class product. Travel expense policies of most companies rarely permit their staff to book anything that's shown as F class in systems.


User currently offlineFbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3713 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5935 times:



Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 16):
Just look at the airlines involved. There is no way on earth that an airline like Eos would be better than the likes of SQ or VS !!.

Really? The Eos seat looks like quite a step up from anything I've seen in any other Business Class cabin.



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User currently offlineA380US From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5913 times:

I definatley dont think BA should have been second Etihad and Virgin and well all of thes airlines hsould have been ahead of them.


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User currently offlineOlympus69 From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 1737 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5683 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 17):
It is definitely not a ranking with AC best. It's an alphabetical listing of what the Times considers the 10 best. I think they numbered them only because they referred to their "top 10". The probability that a ranking starting with the best would come out in alphabetical order is beyond the realm of believability.

As they had already told us they were the top 10 there would be no need to number them unless they were rankings,
Also, they were not all in alphabetical order. 2 were out of sequence. I'm not a statistician but I think "beyond the realm of believability" is somewhat of an exaggeration.


User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5130 posts, RR: 55
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5665 times:



Quoting CHANGYOU (Reply 4):
What about CX, EK and MH? CX just launched their new jcl the same time as SQ isn't it?

= CX new J is absolute rubbish. EK's "bling bling" has limited appeal and comfort. MH has a great overall J product, and the best J crew ... but I do not think their new seats are that amazing.

Overall, a suprisingly good survey. And, only the most loyal AC cheerleaders would actually believe AC is "ranked" top. It is alphabetic placement rather than a rank ... and Silverjet and SQ misplaced is probably a clerical error.

Cheers,
A.



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User currently offlineOlympus69 From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 1737 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5639 times:

I've just read the comments the Times printed with the article. A few of them clearly read the list as being rankings. Surely the Times would have corrected this impression if it was inaccurate.

They are rankingss; believe it!


25 Misbeehavin : Never flown EK, but I would agree. Also, are they the only airline who have a 2x3x2 config in business on the Airbuses?
26 Olympus69 : I owe Viscount24 an apology. I don't know how to calculate the odds on an almost alphabetical list but just using the first 5, which are alphabetical
27 HB88 : I guess it's a matter of taste. I think the new BA bus class product is absolutely excellent - lots of privacy - in fact, for some seats, you can't s
28 Viscount724 : Even AC never considered it a ranking with AC best. Excerpt from their internal news on the subject: Air Canada's new Executive First Suites have bee
29 Post contains images MotorHussy : Yes it is, but it is the same as CX which along with NZ (both very surprisingly) didn't make the cut against EOS, United and Silverjet and this is ba
30 MotorHussy : I retract my comments about EOS. I've just checked out their website and product and they definitely deserve to be in the Top 10 - Silverjet and Unit
31 A340600 : Odd phrases for a British article, a couple of US expressions in there. Anyway, a top 10 is far too many in my opinion, top 5, now you're talking.
32 Olympus69 : I checked their website before my last post but could not find any reference to the survey in News or Press Releases, I guess it was not in the publi
33 Finkenwerder : I hate to be pedantic, but the newspapers title is simply "The Times" if you are referring to any other times printed anywhere else then by all means
34 MotorHussy : It's not actually a survey though, it says: and doesn't offer any criteria this was based on, on the volume of experiences (if any) with each airline
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