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Why Relatively Few 787-9 Orders?  
User currently offlineSpeedyGonzales From Norway, joined Sep 2007, 723 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3225 times:

This was noted in the thread about the possibility of suspending the -3, but I thought it was better to split this discussion off into a separate thread.

Does anyone have a good explanation to why the -9 has sold only about a quarter of the -8? Even the "hopelessly uncompetitive" A350-800 has sold almost as many as the -9, with 169 vs. 174. Also interesting to note is that the airlines that have ordered the -9 have ordered relatively few -8.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_787_orders
Out of the 174 787-9 ordered:
62 will go to airlines that only have ordered the -9 (Air New Zealand(8), Air Pacific(8), Arik Air(7), Arkia Israel Airlines(4), Singapore Airlines(20))
83 will go to airlines that have ordered more -9 than -8 (31 -8 orders) (BA(8/16), Continental(8/17), Qantas(15/50))
10 will go to airlines that have ordered less -9 than -8 (26 -8 orders) (Ethiopian Airlines(8/2), LAN(18/8))
15 will go to leasing companies (80 -8 orders) (ILFC(68/6), LCAL(12/9))
4 will go to private customers (5 -8 orders excluding 2 for PrivatAir)


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User currently offlineSpeedyGonzales From Norway, joined Sep 2007, 723 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3160 times:



Quoting SpeedyGonzales (Thread starter):
62 will go to airlines that only have ordered the -9 (Air New Zealand(8), Air Pacific(8), Arik Air(7), Arkia Israel Airlines(4), Singapore Airlines(20))

Oops, missed the 15 for Virgin Atlantic.



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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3137 times:

Two reasons:

1. 788 comes out sooner, so more orders for it are natural

2. The 788 has no direct competition, so airlines interested in an aircraft like the 788 buy quickly to secure slots. The 789 competes with the A358, so airlines drag their feet in evaluating the aircraft, which means slots get lost to the 788.



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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4805 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2707 times:

The 789 also costs more.
But the main reason will be that it comes out later than the 788 and that airlines have an opportunity to see how well that performs before they HAVE to commit to either the 789 or A358. If they don't order the 788 early on the other hand they miss out on slots.



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User currently offlineCobra27 From Slovenia, joined May 2001, 1009 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2624 times:

It has to do with: Customers want freqeuncy

User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7075 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2523 times:

The fact that the a/c have different capacities, range etc. may have something to do with it, after all, we all agree that airlines are professional organizations and order a/c based on their needs and not whether they are made by A or B and politicians fantacies. A detailed analysis of both a/c merits would probably fill in the blanks nicely.

Cheers


User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2453 times:



Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 2):
The 789 competes with the A358, so airlines drag their feet in evaluating the aircraft, which means slots get lost to the 788.

Well ...
 Smile
So you dont think it has something to with that the A350-800 actually has some 160 orders?
Ha ha ha ha.
Nicely put though!


User currently offlineScipio From Belgium, joined Oct 2007, 852 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2409 times:

Could it be that a significant portion of 787 orders have the option to be taken either as 787-8s or 787-9s, but are booked as 787-8s?

Other than that, the 787-8 is an aircraft in a niche of its own, offering capabilities in its size category that have never existed before (abstracting from the A340-200). So, it's a new market segment offering airlines new possibilities.

The 787-9 is closer in capabilities to existing models such as the A340-300 and the B777-200ER, of which airlines have large existing fleets that will last a while longer.

By contrast, those existing planes that the 787-8 replaces (B767, A300, A310) tend to be closer to the end of their lifespans.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30641 posts, RR: 84
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2263 times:
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It is likely that a good number of those airlines who have bought 787-8s will also buy the 787-9 down the road. 8 787 customers currently have both on order and 6 have only the 787-9 on order. This is similar to the 7 customers who have the A358 and at least one other A350 model on order and the 9 that have only the A358 on order. SU, QR and ALAFCO are the only two 787 and A350 customers to date who have not bought the 787-9 but have bought the A350-800 and I expect ALAFCO will buy the 787-9 down the road.

The 787-8 offers new opportunities for 767 and A330 operators and it was (planned to be) available a few years earlier then the 787-9, so it makes sense that it would reap the balance of initial orders. Same with the A350-900 winning the plurality of that family's orders to date because it is the first one available and, like the 787-9, will land around the time airlines are ready to start serious replacement of 77E and A343 equipment.


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