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Any New Flights Out Of PDX In 08?  
User currently offlineLhpdx From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 382 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4529 times:

Been kind of quite at PDX these for several months as far as new service or additional service being added...Can we expect anything new domestically, internationally or in the cargo arena in 2008?

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User currently offlineWeAreUnited From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 423 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4498 times:

AS Flight Attendants were saying that PDX-ORD was a done deal... but of course this is just jumpseat talk.

This is also prior to AA re-instating their nonstop to O'Hare. Other then that... I have no idea. I think PDX-AMS on NW will be the biggest gain for '08.


User currently offlineBAKJet From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 744 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4486 times:

A flight to IND has been talked about on here for a long time.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4488 times:



Quoting BAKJet (Reply 2):
A flight to IND has been talked about on here for a long time.

And at 166 daily O&D with no hub on either end, it will stay just talk.



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User currently offlineLHboyatDTW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4459 times:

I've heard of ocassional upgrades on the LH flight

but for once can DTW-PDX-DTW go year round? I know connecting in MSP isn't that bad, but I'm convinced the feed is large enough for at least a daily A319. Besides that, it would make my life easier.

[Edited 2008-02-23 20:46:56]

User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4368 times:



Quoting WeAreUnited (Reply 1):
AS Flight Attendants were saying that PDX-ORD was a done deal... but of course this is just jumpseat talk.

PDX-ORD on AS should have started a long time ago, IMO. I think they dropped the ball on that opportunity.

Getting the AMS flight was a big win for PDX; it'll be interesting to see if NW and LH can co-exist on PDX-Europe.



GO ROCKETS
User currently offlineJetskipper From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4320 times:

I wouldn't be surprised to see CO add CLE-PDX when they announce their next round of Cleveland expansion plans later this year.

User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4552 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4292 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
And at 166 daily O&D with no hub on either end, it will stay just talk.

With NRT service out of PDX it would make sense to offer a flight to PDX to allow connections to Asia. I believe there is also HNL service (seasonal?). So a daily flight would take care of the o/d and the connecting passengers.



Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineAlexinwa From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4282 times:



Quoting Indy (Reply 7):
With NRT service out of PDX it would make sense to offer a flight to PDX to allow connections to Asia. I believe there is also HNL service (seasonal?). So a daily flight would take care of the o/d and the connecting passengers.

HNL is year-round.........and is doing very well. However I agree the traffic should be good enough.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
And at 166 daily O&D with no hub on either end, it will stay just talk.

How real are these numbers? I don't see how the process of getting these numbers works, better yet trusting them????



You mad Bro???
User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9612 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4264 times:



Quoting Indy (Reply 7):
With NRT service out of PDX it would make sense to offer a flight to PDX to allow connections to Asia.

NW also flies to NRT from LAX, MSP and DTW which all have easy connections to IND. What is the point of adding a flight like PDX-IND for connections?



If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!
User currently offlineBA744PHX From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4262 times:

US CLT-PDX resumes June 3rd

User currently offlineM992910 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4227 times:

This may be a strech, but I would love to see Alaska fly to Austin. AA or SW may be the best candidate though.

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7572 posts, RR: 43
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4217 times:

On a related matter, what is the frequency of MX's MEX-PDX? Is it daily? Wasn't the flight originally MEX-GDL-PDX or something like that?

I would love to see MX start PDX-SJD or PDX-CUN.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4552 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4203 times:



Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 9):
What is the point of adding a flight like PDX-IND for connections?

That would allow for different departure times out of IND. And it would allow for different arrival times in NRT. After all according to a.netters that is what business travelers want.  Smile And it would kill two birds with one stone.



Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineDoug_or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3404 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4194 times:



Quoting M992910 (Reply 11):
This may be a strech, but I would love to see Alaska fly to Austin. AA or SW may be the best candidate though.

As would I! This seems like it could work. Culturally fairly similar cities with strong technology bases in each. Not sure how many companies have major facilities in both, though. The question is, who would do it? WN would be nice, and probably good at capturing the strong VFR links, but they offer connections right now. Maybe a direct or two to start us out and then go to non-stops if they do alright? B6 seems to be building up AUS a bit, but with gate restrictions and their tiny presence in PDX, they most likely have bigger fish to fry.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 12):
On a related matter, what is the frequency of MX's MEX-PDX? Is it daily? Wasn't the flight originally MEX-GDL-PDX or something like that?

I would love to see MX start PDX-SJD or PDX-CUN

Don't know if it initially continued on to MEX, but yes, the original flight went to GDL. SJD and CUN might be more likely from AS.



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User currently offlineSpinkid From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4164 times:

Is it the high landing fees that keep carriers from adding more service here?

User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4552 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4127 times:



Quoting Spinkid (Reply 15):
Is it the high landing fees that keep carriers from adding more service here?

According to Wikipedia PDX handled 14,654,222 passengers in 2007 which was a record. Thats excellent for a metro area of 2.3 million people. I think if you are setting traffic records there must not be too much of a problem with airlines adding service.  Smile



Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineEVA777SEA From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4118 times:



Quoting Indy (Reply 7):
With NRT service out of PDX it would make sense to offer a flight to PDX to allow connections to Asia.

To allow these connections for all of maybe 10-20 people?


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4036 times:



Quoting Indy (Reply 7):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
And at 166 daily O&D with no hub on either end, it will stay just talk.

With NRT service out of PDX it would make sense to offer a flight to PDX to allow connections to Asia. I believe there is also HNL service (seasonal?). So a daily flight would take care of the o/d and the connecting passengers.

Great idea. 166 daily O&D passengers, and then you can connect three people to HNL and one to Tokyo, because it's not as if they can't already connect in Minneapolis.

Quoting Alexinwa (Reply 8):
How real are these numbers? I don't see how the process of getting these numbers works, better yet trusting them????

They are very real. They are collected by the Department of Transporation. Airlines are required to report them.



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User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4008 times:



Quoting Doug_or (Reply 14):
As would I! This seems like it could work. Culturally fairly similar cities with strong technology bases in each. Not sure how many companies have major facilities in both, though.

Somebody might try PDX-AUS eventually (probably WN), but it won't be AS.

I also agree with an earlier post about PDX-CLE on CO. As I recall that was supposed to start before 9/11, but was dropped after the attack.

AS seems to be slowly re-building its Portland presence now that the economy is back on track in Stumptown. I've heard rumblings about AS starting PDX-Hawaii service, but who knows if that'll be in 2008 or not. Two routes for AS that I think would be good fits are PDX-ORD and PDX-EWR.

I also think there will be an increase in QX service out of Portland. Personally, I'd like to see some Montana routes such as PDX-MSO or PDX-BZN to supplement the Billings flight. While QX is focusing the bulk of its Canadian service from SEA, I think a once-daily PDX-YYJ could do quite well.

Lastly, I would think that PDX has got to be on the radar for VX; maybe not in 2008 but eventually.



GO ROCKETS
User currently offlineWeAreUnited From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 423 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3996 times:



Quoting Doug_or (Reply 14):
Don't know if it initially continued on to MEX, but yes, the original flight went to GDL. SJD and CUN might be more likely from AS.

AS already flies to Cabo from PDX. I can't remember which days exactly but it's flown 4 days a week I believe with non-stop PVR flights flown the other 3 days. They are both operated with 737-700 aircraft.


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4552 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3980 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):
and then you can connect three people to HNL and one to Tokyo

Can you provide a source to back up your 3 and 1 claim? Or are we just guessing?  Smile

I'm betting PDX doesn't have enough o&d to fill that A330 all on its own. I'm betting there is a decent amount of connecting traffic on that flight.

With there being no nonstop Asia service from IND it means everyone has to connect somewhere. So by offering PDX service you give them another connection option and another time they can arrive in NRT. That route should be able to handle 1x daily on an A319. The 124 seat capacity is less than the 166 daily passengers that travel to PDX. Plus the nonstop service may also stimulate new demand. And then there are the NW pax in IND that come from other destinations that could connect to PDX. It wouldn't be hard to fill that flight.



Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3950 times:



Quoting Indy (Reply 21):

I'm betting PDX doesn't have enough o&d to fill that A330 all on its own. I'm betting there is a decent amount of connecting traffic on that flight.

NW wouldn't have started PDX-NRT if the O&D wasn't already there. Lots of business trade between Oregon and Asia; that combined with tourism and feed from AS/QX fills that flight up.



GO ROCKETS
User currently offlineAlexinwa From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3912 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):
They are very real. They are collected by the Department of Transporation. Airlines are required to report them.

Are these numbers available on-line? If so where please and thank you!!!



You mad Bro???
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3863 times:



Quoting Indy (Reply 21):
Can you provide a source to back up your 3 and 1 claim? Or are we just guessing?

Just guessing, of course. Though O&D on IND-NRT is probably not more than 10-12 passengers a day. IND-HNL is probably higher, closer to maybe 60-65, but highly seasonal.

Quoting Indy (Reply 21):
I'm betting PDX doesn't have enough o&d to fill that A330 all on its own. I'm betting there is a decent
amount of connecting traffic on that flight.

PDX has a very strong bussiness community. That flight is at least 75% O&D, on a bad day. Northwest does not like to route connecting passengers via PDX because that hurts yield. It's heaviest connections probably come from Alaska/Horizon flights.

Quoting Indy (Reply 21):
With there being no nonstop Asia service from IND it means everyone has to connect somewhere

Correct. Chicago, Detroit, Minneapolis, Los Angeles, Dallas, and San Francisco are six options.

Quoting Indy (Reply 21):
The 124 seat capacity is less than the 166 daily passengers that travel to PDX.

124, multiplied by two, is 248. Combine the fact that there is no feed on either end (NRT and HNL passengers won't be funneled through Portland - they will go through Minneapolis and Detroit. The Portland routes are there to capture higher yielding local traffic), and that it is extremely unlikely Northwest would be able to capture more than 40-45% of the local market (which is typical in these situations), and you have a recipe for disaster.

Quoting Indy (Reply 21):
Plus the nonstop service may also stimulate new demand.

More so in vacation markets than business markets. Stimulation likely would not exceed 15%.

I can't believe people are trying to argue for IND-PDX. Never happening anytime soon. Northwest should work on getting IND-SEA and DTW-PDX year-round first (the former isn't happening anytime soon, either; the latter I'm surprised hasn't happened yet).



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25 Post contains images Indy : And Portland makes seven And the 166 is averaged each way so thats 332 passengers. Agree IND-SEA should be year round. Though according to faremeasur
26 Doug_Or : It wouldn't be hard to fill, but it would be hard to make money. DTW is not year round from PDX, you can bet your hindquarters that'll become year ro
27 MAH4546 : No, it is not. It is 166 combined, in both directions. With no hub or connections on either end, there is no viability for this market. IND-SEA isn't
28 Indy : I don't believe that is correct. I feel confident that the 166 is the average each way. Look at the service to MCO for example. Are you trying to tel
29 MAH4546 : No, you are not correct. It is both ways, combined. The numbers are for a three month period only, and averaged out. They aren't averaged over the en
30 Indy : I'm pretty sure you aren't correct on this. Flux or not flux. The MCO schedule out of IND is solid. It has been running 7x daily for a while now. If
31 MAH4546 : It's both ways. Feel free not to believe me, if you wish. Look at it another way...Miami-New York City is 20,465 daily passengers, not 40,930. Southw
32 Indy : First off I've been told by others on here in the past the the numbers represented each way passengers. Second... aren't you also the one before that
33 Post contains links MAH4546 : I think it's clear we will agree to disagree here. If you don't want to agree with me, feel free. As far as I know, they are round-trip and include al
34 EVA777SEA : What other airports besides FLL and MIA are included in that figure? The numbers i get for NYC-MIA/FLL are only around 13,000. MAH is correct.
35 MAH4546 : MIA/FLL/PBI-NYC/ISP/HPN/SWF. I'm using the numbers from Faremeasure which are not the most recently published (I think they are 1Q07, where Miami-New
36 PVD757 : faremeasure list the O&D as total, not each way. Cut the number in half to determine average on-way traffic. right now the data on faremeasure is from
37 NWAESC : It's probably 60-40 on average... When I used to work that flight everyday, we'd get quite a lot from AS/QX (no suprise there), including at least an
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