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EK To The Americas  
User currently offlineDABTH747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5937 times:

Does anyone know EK is doing to JFK, YYZ, IAH and GRU?

I know that EK stops their Hamburg - JFK - Hamburg flight in March, based on that I was wondering how the rest of the flights are doing.

I know GRU and IAH are or will be daily, what about YYZ?

Which are the next destinations for them ? LH seems to be expanding left right and centre in North America and Qatar Airways is also on their heels for competition, what are EK's future plans for the Americas?

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User currently offlineAdicool From Netherlands, joined Apr 2007, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5903 times:

I think on the top of EK's future destinations are LAX, ORD and IAD in the states and for Latin America, I think MEX, EZE and CCS.

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7603 posts, RR: 42
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5856 times:

Would be very cool to have EK at MEX. That would have to be an A345 or a 772LR route. So far, though, there has been no formal announcement or anything. I guess it won't happen in 2008. Do you think CCS is really on their wish list Adicool? I had not heard about CCS before.

They are also going to launch GIG no? I thought I read it will be DXB-GIG-EZE.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineDABTH747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5833 times:



Quoting EddieDude (Reply 2):

I was thinking DXB - CCS - EZE might be next, but I didnt realize about GIG, how far are GIG and GRU from each other?

Do you know what is the distance between MEX and DXB?


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21547 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5833 times:

EK could fly to LAX now. They chose IAH, and claimed they need some new, unbuilt aircraft for LAX. LAX is 200nm further, and the 77L can do either. And they could certainly move the HAM flight from JFK to LAX if they just think LAX is too far for the 9000nm 77L.

I'll believe EK is really interested in LAX once they put their aircraft where their mouth's are.



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User currently offlineDABTH747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5817 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4):

do you mean the third flight from JFK? the DXB - HAM - JFK becoming DXB - JFK - LAX?


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7603 posts, RR: 42
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5747 times:



Quoting DABTH747 (Reply 3):
how far are GIG and GRU from each other?

Quite near. Dunno, on a straight line basis, some 350-360 kilometers maybe? Thing is, driving takes much longer than it should.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineMaracucho85 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2007, 50 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5747 times:



Quoting DABTH747 (Reply 3):
I was thinking DXB - CCS - EZE might be next, but I didnt realize about GIG, how far are GIG and GRU from each other?

That should be great. The thing about CCS is just location-location-location. We also have a big arab community. We certainly hope to see EK's 777s around here.

Best from Venezuela,

Alberto


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21547 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5743 times:



Quoting DABTH747 (Reply 5):
do you mean the third flight from JFK? the DXB - HAM - JFK becoming DXB - JFK - LAX?

Yes, rather than dumping it altogether.

HAM-LAX is 5000nm, easy for a 77W, 77E, A340, etc. And the total length is only 300nm further than DXB-LAX nonstop. CA to Germany is not exactly saturated, and if the majority of pax on this flight are going to continue to DXB, it seems like it would make some sense. Either that or another EU waypoint between LAX and DXB.

But EK keeps saying that for some reason they need the 748i with 8500nm range to make LAX-DXB work in any way. Sounds like a lame excuse to me.



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User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3683 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5685 times:



Quoting DABTH747 (Thread starter):
Does anyone know EK is doing to IAH?

So far, IAH has seen impressive loads and yields, especially full cabins in F and J as well as cargo before the flight went daily. However, with daily service, IAH should continue to do well with the hope of one day going 2x daily when enough 77Ls are in service or maybe an A380 that can make it to IAH.



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User currently offlineDABTH747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5659 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 8):
Yes, rather than dumping it altogether.

do u know if when they dump this would they still have the 5th freedom rights to fly germany to some place in the US again?


User currently offlineDABTH747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5626 times:

I heard they have just had cooperation with Kingfisher so members can earn miles on their skywards cards and vice versa for kingfisher members earning miles, I would love to see them have more cooperation with an alliance, ie star or one world, and give them an edge of competition such as qatar etihad etc

User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1060 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5577 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 6):
Thing is, driving takes much longer than it should.

Rio and Sao Paulo are roughly 400kms apart and driving it takes between 5 and 6 hours to get from one city to another.

As for EK the airline requested Brazil regulatory agency a flight to GIG a while ago, I wasn't told if they requested DXB-GIG-EZE or just DXB-GIG, hope someone here can make that clear.

[Edited 2008-02-24 12:44:08]


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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3714 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5347 times:



Quoting DABTH747 (Reply 3):
I was thinking DXB - CCS - EZE might be next, but I didnt realize about GIG, how far are GIG and GRU from each other?

DXB-GIG-EZE makes sense, because it is slightly longer than DXB-EZE nonstop, but DXB-CCS-EZE is just crazy. DXB-CCS is longer than DXB-GIG, not to mention the distance between CCS and EZE.


User currently offlineDABTH747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5311 times:



Quoting C010T3 (Reply 13):

wouldnt DXB - CCS be a little longer than DXB - IAH?


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11451 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5257 times:
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Quoting DABTH747 (Reply 3):
I was thinking DXB - CCS - EZE might be next, but I didnt realize about GIG, how far are GIG and GRU from each other?

If you want to compare both markets, for sure GIG is more interesting for EK at this time. Strong asset management and pension funds industry, more Economic Freedom, top Oil market in South America, and it's a desire destination for people on UAE and Asia, more than CCS for sure. But they of course can fly DXB-CCS-EZE although i believe it hurts the schedule a lot as well as EZE-CCS is about 6 to 7 hours flight and also imagine what's the advantage of someone flying EZE-CCS-DXB if it's faster to connect thru Europe or even thru GRU current flight ?
Also does Venezuela and Argentina allow this 5th Freedom ?

It's the first time i heard about DXB-CCS-EZE instead of DXB-GIG-EZE.

Felipe



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3714 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5093 times:



Quoting DABTH747 (Reply 14):
wouldnt DXB - CCS be a little longer than DXB - IAH?

No, it would be shorter, but I only see it being flown without tag-on flights.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21547 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5063 times:



Quoting DABTH747 (Reply 10):
do u know if when they dump this would they still have the 5th freedom rights to fly germany to some place in the US again?

I believe so. Not being an LHR flight, I don't think it is required to go HAM-NYC. But maybe someone else knows more?



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6167 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4949 times:

If I'm not mistaken San Francisco was also in the shortlist

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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4926 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4):
And they could certainly move the HAM flight from JFK to LAX if they just think LAX is too far for the 9000nm 77L.

Then again, even if they were to do that, there is little to no market for HAM-LAX, and it would be hard to fill up that T7 on DXB-HAM-LAX even with 5th Freedom Rights (which EK technically still has out of HAM). The only way HAM-LAX could (only could) work is through cargo service only.


User currently offlineDABTH747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4829 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 19):

no he meant instead of DXB - HAM - JFK, DXB - JFK - LAX, giving up HAM altogether


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4760 times:



Quoting DABTH747 (Reply 20):
no he meant instead of DXB - HAM - JFK, DXB - JFK - LAX, giving up HAM altogether

Still wouldn't make sense IMO, at least as long as the US doesn't allow cabotage.


User currently offlineDABTH747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4746 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 21):

i agree with u its like the failed MS LAX - JFK - CAI route it just didnt work I believe or do they still fly it with the 763?


User currently offlineFridgmus From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1442 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3823 times:
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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3719 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4):
EK could fly to LAX now. They chose IAH, and claimed they need some new, unbuilt aircraft for LAX. LAX is 200nm further, and the 77L can do either. And they could certainly move the HAM flight from JFK to LAX if they just think LAX is too far for the 9000nm 77L.

I'll believe EK is really interested in LAX once they put their aircraft where their mouth's are.

I could be wrong, but I bet choosing IAH over LAX had a lot to do with all the oil companies in both regions.


User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6238 posts, RR: 2
Reply 25, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3460 times:



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 24):
I could be wrong, but I bet choosing IAH over LAX had a lot to do with all the oil companies in both regions.

Understatement of the year.

They have absolutely no problem filling any of the premium classes or the belly with cargo.....



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