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747-8i: "6 Ongoing Sales Campaigns"  
User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States, joined Feb 2005, 2853 posts, RR: 16
Posted (4 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 24485 times:



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expects 2008 to be a 'big year' for Boeing's 747-8 Intercontinental aircraft. He said there appeared to be 6 ongoing active sales campaigns, 3 of which could conclude in 2008.

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/...cles/newstex/AFX-0013-23263384.htm

If true, perhaps the demise of the 747-8i have been greatly exaggerated.

Any guesses who/what the 6 campaigns are?


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States, joined May 2005, 14525 posts, RR: 41
Reply 1, posted (4 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 24507 times:

Well, it went from 20 down to 6 with only one previous sale.


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User currently offlineRbgso From United States, joined Jun 2006, 279 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 24470 times:

"announced its first order of 4 new-generation 737-800s, with an option to buy 2 more, in a deal valued at $1.65 billion."

So six 738s for $1.65 billion? That's $275 million per 738.......something's not right here.

User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 2191 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 24440 times:



Quoting Rbgso (Reply 2):
So six 738s for $1.65 billion? That's $275 million per 738.......something's not right here.

:D definitely, that's more expensive than the A380 - would $165 million be about the right price for 4 be about right?

User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 4072 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 24396 times:

China Eastern
Air China
JAL
Asiana
China Airlines
Philippines


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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom (England), joined Jul 2003, 7891 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 24395 times:
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"Appeared" to be involved in 6 campaigns?  confused 

Quoting RedFlyer (Thread starter):
If true, perhaps the demise of the 747-8i have been greatly exaggerated.

That would depend entirely on whether the 748i actually wins any of those campaigns.  wink 


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User currently offlineT773ER From United States, joined Dec 2006, 251 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 24368 times:



Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 3):
:D definitely, that's more expensive than the A380 - would $165 million be about the right price for 4 be about right?

The 1.65 billion is in AED, not US dollars. It would be about 445 million in US dollars.


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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 4072 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 24373 times:



Quoting Rbgso (Reply 2):
"announced its first order of 4 new-generation 737-800s, with an option to buy 2 more, in a deal valued at $1.65 billion."

So six 738s for $1.65 billion? That's $275 million per 738.......something's not right here.

About right for four 748is with all the bells and whistles though.

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 5):
Quoting RedFlyer (Thread starter):
If true, perhaps the demise of the 747-8i have been greatly exaggerated.

That would depend entirely on whether the 748i actually wins any of those campaigns

See below:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 4):
China Eastern
Air China
JAL
Asiana
China Airlines
Philippines

I'd say a 50% win rate there is realistic.


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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom (England), joined Jul 2003, 7891 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 24333 times:
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Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 4):
China Eastern
Air China
JAL
Asiana
China Airlines
Philippines

I would put Air India, All Nippon and even Jet Airways ahead of some in that list.


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User currently offlineSEPilot From United States, joined Dec 2006, 2819 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 24293 times:



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 5):
That would depend entirely on whether the 748i actually wins any of those campaigns.

That, of course, is the $64,000 question. Those of us that love the 747 can certainly hope so.


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User currently offlineAnonms From United States, joined Dec 2007, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 24257 times:

I'd put CI at the top of the list; they're probably the most likely to adopt the 748i, IMO.


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User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States, joined Jan 2007, 979 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 24197 times:

This is why I hate speculation. Why announce that there may be customers. Just announce the orders. Actions are louder than words.


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User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong SAR, PRC, joined Jul 2005, 1382 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 24197 times:

Only 6 ongoing campaigns? Of all the airlines in the world they can only pick 6 to talk to? That is sad.


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States, joined May 2005, 14525 posts, RR: 41
Reply 13, posted (4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 24173 times:



Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 12):
Only 6 ongoing campaigns? Of all the airlines in the world they can only pick 6 to talk to? That is sad.

The rest said no.

BA, AF, SQ, QF are four biggies who said no.


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States, joined Jun 2004, 4076 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 24148 times:
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Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 4):
China Eastern
Air China
JAL
Asiana
China Airlines
Philippines

And Air India


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User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong SAR, PRC, joined Dec 1999, 5301 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 24089 times:

Why has noone mentioned Cathay yet? With a large aircraft decision being looked into, and 747-8Fs on the way next year, surely they are a very realistic target for Boeing.

User currently offlineSQ325 From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 1277 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 23952 times:



Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 15):
Why has noone mentioned Cathay yet?

Just wanted to add Katie from the Pacific
My others would be

Malaysian
JAL
China Airlines
and I would not exclude EK of the game. As the B748Fs will be crewed by EK pilots they could also be interested in getting the Pax version.
my 6th vote goes for AI or Air China

User currently offlineSKY1 From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 545 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 23953 times:



Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 15):
Why has noone mentioned Cathay yet?

There is in this web-site a CX pilot who is sure 100% Cathay Pacific will be not a 747-8I PAX customer  Wink

Maybe he's right.

I'm pretty sure CX will buy or A-380 or 747-8I. One of them is nearly sure.

As a good 748I candidate, I think the Japanese companies are the most.


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User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 679 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 23936 times:



Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 12):
Only 6 ongoing campaigns? Of all the airlines in the world they can only pick 6 to talk to? That is sad.

Is a snide comment all you have to contribute? I suggest someone who has the term "cloudy" as part of your name you look at some clear skies with sunshine.

Everyone was so quick to jump on the A380 never going anywhere. Now it is in service the only question is can the seats be filled consistantly on them all to make economic sense. Will the individual program ever make money. Probably but it may take a while. It will probably bring Airbus prestige even if it isn't an excellent financial venture. Some car companies field high end sports models that are not really worth the investment per se but do wonders for the overall brand.

The 747-8i will be built and it will sell more copies than just LH. It will be a fine aircraft with a great interior. I can't wait to fly on one. Like with the A380 there will be a lot of people who have made foolish statements with egg on their faces who jumped to far too early conclusions. Will it have record sales. No. Does Boeing expect it to be a massive seller. No. Will it be a financial success (despite all the opinion on this subset of subculture of the traveling public) we will see, but I think Boeing knows something a few people on here don't.

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong SAR, PRC, joined Jan 2001, 7025 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 23855 times:

BA, SA)">UA, MH, SQ, CX, CI, CA, KE, JAL, ANA, NZ, QF, AI, Oasis, TG, SA)">NW are potential buyers.

AF, KL, SA, AC.........maybe

User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 1997 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 23824 times:

The argument I heard for CX not taking the 748i was that they could have ordered i with the F. Fair point.

Basically what we know is that 6 airlines are looking at the 748i, and almost certainly the A380 as well. I suppose that means that 6 airlines are looking for aircraft of that size at this moment in time, and will likely place an order soon. These may, or may not be A380 customers looking to add additional orders, or new VLA customers. Either way, 60-100+ frames are likely to be ordered soon of 748/388 size.

I would not rule out VS and BA, just yet either, and UA or NW could be candidates too. But even if they are not and even if the 748i does not win any of the orders, i will not necessarily mean the end for the programme.

Exciting times!

Brian.


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User currently offlineKhobar From United States, joined Mar 2006, 1598 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 23784 times:
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