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Why Did Southwest Order 737-500s?  
User currently offlineTranStar From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 529 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7620 times:
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Here I am again with another Southwest question,

I was wondering what motivated Southwest to purchase as a launch customer the 737-500? I know at that time it was still opeating mix of 737-200 and -300. I assume it was to replace older -200s, but why such a small order (25)? Why did they not order the -600?

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User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7622 times:



Quoting TranStar (Thread starter):
Why did they not order the -600?

The 737-600 design isn't worth operating when you can have a -700 with the same operating costs and more passengers (revenue).


User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1800 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7551 times:

I don't see those birds on the trans-Texas runs as much as in the past. Maybe OPNLguy can answer this, but are they being outsourced more to keep their short-haul cycles minimized?

User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4011 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7514 times:

Up here in Manchester (NH) they are cycling through (from/to PHL) a few times daily. Several of the type got positioned there.

User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7296 times:

Wasnt it for SNA? SNA has both a noise regulation, curfew, paxlimit and slots

User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1800 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7119 times:

I dunno about the pax limit there. UA and DL have no problems running 752's outta there on a daily basis to DEN and ATL, respectively.

User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6264 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7100 times:

The -500 was intended to be a seatwise replacement for the 737-200's, with a more noise-friendly (Stage III compliant) aircraft.

The seat count on the 735's is identical to the seat count in the old 732's...however, I miss the JT8D's (music to the ears of any aviation fanatic, and nothing slammed in you in your seat on takeoff quite like 732 did...).

EDIT: Better add the bucket thrust reversers that you could watch in operation to that list  Wink

[Edited 2008-02-26 11:20:57]


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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9375 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7007 times:



Quoting TranStar (Thread starter):
Why did they not order the -600?

With the 737 classics, the wing and structure were most suited to the -300 and -500. The larger -400 suffered with poorer performance, and thus lacked the sales of the largest plane.

When the 737NGs were designed, the wing was developed so the plane could better match the capacity and performance of the A320. With the wing best suiting the -700 and -800, Boeing still wanted to compete on the smaller end so they did offer the -600. The -600 is an overcapable airplane. It weighs too much for its capacity, which is why it hasn't sold well and there are no planned -600 deliveries in the future. Similarly until the 900ER came out, the -900 struggled like the -400 did with less than ideal performance.



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User currently offlineLuvfa From United States of America, joined May 2005, 439 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6961 times:

The way I understand it was we needed the 500 for performance for west coast airports particularly BUR and SNA. However the 122 seats became a real hindrence and by the time the 700's were ordered in the early to mid 90's; they made the 500's obsolete. BTW I heard as of 1-1-08, that BUR is now a strictly 700 airport. I don't know it this is true or not maybe one of our pilots can clarify.

User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6385 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6803 times:



Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 7):
With the 737 classics, the wing and structure were most suited to the -300 and -500. The larger -400 suffered with poorer performance, and thus lacked the sales of the largest plane.

Actually, if you look at global sales, Boeing sold more 737-400s than 737-500s. Yes, if you are in the U.S. you will find it hard to believe as the 737-500 is far more common with U.S. carriers. Boeing has sold a total of 486 737-400s, vs. 389 737-500s.



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6765 times:



Quoting Luvfa (Reply 8):
BTW I heard as of 1-1-08, that BUR is now a strictly 700 airport. I don't know it this is true or not maybe one of our pilots can clarify.

True, although one or two -300s a day might go through BUR due to the usual MX routing considerations.

Believe me, we're happy to see BUR all (or nearly all) -700s, since when the winds at BUR force the use of runway 33, the -700s don't take a huge hit on takeoff weights like the -300s do.


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6755 times:



Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 5):
dunno about the pax limit there. UA and DL have no problems running 752's outta there on a daily basis to DEN and ATL, respectively.

each airline has a monthly cap on passgerns, not a per flight cap


User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2223 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6740 times:

Southwest was the launch customer of the 737-500 as said before they thought it would be a -200 replacement in which it sort of is now, some say the -600 is to heavy to be a 735 replacement as well. Is it more or is the 735 also a bit common in Europe to? I know of LO, BA, LH,at onetime AF and a bunch of others have this version of the 737-500.


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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6385 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6689 times:



Quoting SXDFC (Reply 12):
Southwest was the launch customer of the 737-500 as said before they thought it would be a -200 replacement in which it sort of is now, some say the -600 is to heavy to be a 735 replacement as well. Is it more or is the 735 also a bit common in Europe to? I know of LO, BA, LH,at onetime AF and a bunch of others have this version of the 737-500.

Looking at Boeing's order and delivery log, Boeing has sold 204 737-400s and 170 737-500s in Europe.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16689 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6683 times:



Quoting TranStar (Thread starter):
I assume it was to replace older -200s, but why such a small order (25)? Why did they not order the -600?

The 737-600 was not developed when WN ordered the 737-500.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24061 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6398 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 14):
Quoting TranStar (Thread starter):
I assume it was to replace older -200s, but why such a small order (25)? Why did they not order the -600?

The 737-600 was not developed when WN ordered the 737-500.

WN's last 737-500 was delivered more than a year before the 737NG series was even officially launched. If not mistaken, WN had ordered 14 more 735s but the order was cancelled.


User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2390 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5367 times:
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Didn't the 737-500 also not live up to the expectations or operating performance that was suggested at the time of ordering them? I seem to remember reading or hearing something to that effect.


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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6264 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5270 times:



Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 16):
Didn't the 737-500 also not live up to the expectations or operating performance that was suggested at the time of ordering them? I seem to remember reading or hearing something to that effect.

I was kind of wondering the same thing. I hear they consume almost as much fuel on a flight as a 733, and that you only get ~200 miles more range out of the shorter fuselage...I wonder if Boeing over-staed the benefits of the fuselage shrink?



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User currently offlineUsair330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 819 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4194 times:

There's not a day at work where I don't work on a -500.

User currently offlineMrocktor From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1668 posts, RR: 50
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3745 times:

The simple answer is that the -500 is a damn fine short haul aircraft. For the stage lengths where it's seating capacity makes sense, the -600's extra range capability is just so much dead weight.

User currently offlineJimbobjoe From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 648 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2392 times:



Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 16):
Didn't the 737-500 also not live up to the expectations or operating performance that was suggested at the time of ordering them? I seem to remember reading or hearing something to that effect.

There's another thread in which someone said that the 735 has very competitive performance on the right stage length. That's why WN has been hesitant to get rid of them.


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