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The End Of Skyway Airlines 328Jet...  
User currently offlineMarkjs From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 4 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5412 times:
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I saw a posting a few weeks ago about the end of Skyway Airlines and it's fleet of Beech 1900D's and Dornier 328Jets.
I was a pilot in both the B1900 and 328 Jet and check airman in the 328Jet at Skyway for eight years before moving on.Most of all, l know that I will miss the people, planes and places about a little regional airline that has a pretty rich legacy of giving people a chance. Many career airline pilots, corporate pilots, and fractional pilots cut their teeth at Skyway. To have it torn up the way it will be into nothing more than a "ground services company"-providing ramp and catering services to Midwest Airlines- is a tragedy.

I have many great memories of Skyway and the great people I had the privelidge to work and fly with- many of whom have become my best friends even though we've moved on.

I was involved as the coordinator to bring the 328Jet to Oshkosh and EAA AirVenture 2006. I'm glad we had the chance to do it while we could--little did I know that a few years later Skyway would be soon just a memory as an airline.

Hopefully, the 328Jets will contiinue to fly on in other capacities-and I sure would like to fly one again if I get the chance!

Here are some pictures I took at Air Venture 2006 of N360SK -which is also availavble as a model form Herpa in 1/200 scale. The other photo is a nice head on shot taken in KBNA by an Airliners.net contributing photographer.

Long live the DoJet!

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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12147 posts, RR: 49
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5409 times:
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I always thought these were the nicest looking little planes, so far never had the chance to fly one though.


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User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4898 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5400 times:



Quoting Markjs (Thread starter):
Here are some pictures I took at Air Venture 2006 of N360SK -which is also availavble as a model form Herpa in 1/200 scale.

I flew on that bird! It was great finding out that I can buy a model of the plane that brought me home Big grin
Flew on SkyWay only once (on N360SK), and loved every second of it. I sure will miss their flying ops!



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User currently offlineRikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1674 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5250 times:

Always enjoyed the look of the 328. It is too bad the economics of the jet engined version didn't allow it to be a bigger success.

NWADC9, I have an even rarer 328 model; a 1/72 scale vacuform KORI-Kit from Germany! Originally it was the turboprop version, but I will kitbash 1/144 757 engines (with a bit of contouring) onto it, and use modified 1/144 BAe 146 landing gear for a fairly close representation of the 328J aircraft.

I do see a 328 regularily operating as a corporate shuttle (Shell Canada) here in YYC. Beautiful lines! I will regret not flying in a 328 when I had the chance with a Horizon flight. To loose the 328J is even sadder.

To date, isn't the 328J the only turboprop to jet conversion successfully made into production? Would have been interesting to see the ERJ145 as originally conceived....



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User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5227 times:



Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 1):
I always thought these were the nicest looking little planes, so far never had the chance to fly one though.

I did...CMH-MKE back in September of '05. Best regional jet ride I ever had! Like the AVRO, I thought the high-wing RJ's never got the respect they deserved from the airlines. Oh well...I'm an armchair critic, so what do I know?


User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5113 posts, RR: 28
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5180 times:



Quoting Markjs (Thread starter):
I saw a posting a few weeks ago about the end of Skyway Airlines and it's fleet of Beech 1900D's and Dornier 328Jets.
I was a pilot in both the B1900 and 328 Jet and check airman in the 328Jet at Skyway for eight years before moving on.Most of all, l know that I will miss the people, planes and places about a little regional airline that has a pretty rich legacy of giving people a chance. Many career airline pilots, corporate pilots, and fractional pilots cut their teeth at Skyway. To have it torn up the way it will be into nothing more than a "ground services company"-providing ramp and catering services to Midwest Airlines- is a tragedy.

I have not flown on the 328JET, but flew on the prop. I loved it! Great aircraft, and very comfortable. I certainly agree with you about the tragedy of what is becoming of Skyway Airlines. Maybe one day we will get to see them airborne again, but that is unlikely. Thanks for the PICS!!!



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User currently offlineSBN580 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 401 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4954 times:

Let me add to the others who will miss the 328Jet on Skyway. I got to ride both only once, last summer from IND to MKE. I was cheated on the way back when Midwest pulled the switch and the BE 1900 was put in its place, despite my itinerary reading otherwise.

The 328Jet was great! It's a real shame that Doriner Fairchild fell apart. They made a good aircraft. It would have been interesting to have seen them taken on Bombardier and Embraer. And what a beautiful aircraft it is as well! BTW, I believe the John Edwards campaign was using a 328Jet this year.

I have to give credit for Midwest for hanging with their own in house feeder alrline for so long. What a shame they had to pull the plug and now use one of the Outsource Airs instead. If it helps the Midwest family to survive as a whole, I hope it helps.



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4918 times:



Quoting Markjs (Thread starter):

I know what you mean. I cut my teeth at Business Express and was there until the end. Without a doubt it was the best time in my aviation career. The best people I ever worked with and it was sad to watch American Eagle bleed it to death. We all got along.. pilots, F/A's. Mech's. Ramps, Ops...........



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User currently offlineOsprey88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 330 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4869 times:

Where are these 328's going though? Will they be mothballed or sold to someone like Vision Air or Air Alps or another airline?


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User currently offlineMarkjs From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 17 hours ago) and read 4518 times:
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Right now, I'm not sure what is going to happen to the fleet of 12 Skyway 328Jets. There has been talk of several entities buying the airline operating certificate and continuing to operate them under an new or existing company certificate. I know that VisionAir was supposedly in town recruiting some of our Skyway pilots for job interviews. I think that it would be ideal if someone bought the whole operation because you'd get the airplanes, hangar, the maintenance staff-hopefully-especially the managers- and the parts stock as well. We were the launch customer of the 328Jet in 1999 and our maintenance staff knows the DoJet as well as anyone- probably better than the AvCraft or Fairchild Dornier people do or ever did. Milwaukee would also be a decent base for an operation that size-especiallyfor on demand charter stuff- at which the 328Jet excels.
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328jet protoype in Skyway livery with Fairchild-Dornier logos on world tour 1998
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User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2372 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 8 hours ago) and read 4404 times:

I only ever flew the 328JET once to GRR, and finally had the opportunity to work some when a few were diverted here to MKG last December.

It's a beautiful aircraft, it's a shame to see it - and Skyway - go away.

I think that Dornier may have been a bit ahead of their time developing the jets. The 728 could have been a major competitor against the likes of the CRJ-700 and Embraer 170, and the 428 could have been developed as a prop rather than a jet and could possibly have been a popular replacment for 50-seat jets on certain routes, competing with the Dash-8-300.

It's too bad ... they had a good product.

As for Skyway ... they'll linger on for at least a few more months until Mesaba takes over IMT/ESC, and then when somebody takes over IWD/MBL. Hopefully the certificate will go to a company who will make good on using it, so the "spirit" of Skyway will remain in the air, rather than disappear like Chicago Express did.



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6094 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 8 hours ago) and read 4360 times:



Quoting SBN580 (Reply 6):
What a shame they had to pull the plug and now use one of the Outsource Airs instead.

Take a look at it this way: It could have been Mesa doing both jets and props.



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User currently offlineATCT From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2325 posts, RR: 38
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 6 hours ago) and read 4265 times:

I worked the ramp for Midwest in PIT and loved working the J328. (I also worked em when ACA flew em to PIT as DL Connection...DL had the Midwest contract @ PIT). Ive flown on em a few times and everytime a pleasure. I'll be sad to see Skyway and the Dojoet go away. Luckily it seems VisionAire is gettin some more Dojets from what ive heard from their pilots. (They fly into IAH almost daily now).

ATCT



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User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2372 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months ago) and read 4135 times:



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 11):

Take a look at it this way: It could have been Mesa doing both jets and props.

Interestingly enough, the original Skyway was a subsidiary of Mesa ... until they had a little too much freedom with the route structure and Midwest brought Skyway in-house with Astral Aviation in '94 (and upgrading to the 1900Ds in the process).



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User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3304 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4028 times:

I had a chance to fly on the 328J a few times, back when ACA was flying them for DL on TOL-CVG.

I was never impressed overall. The cabin was spacious, but on humid days the A/C packs leaked something fierce. The FA would do their best to stuff paper towels in the vents to stop the leaks, but usually by the time I got to CVG my suit needed to dry out.


User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2025 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3882 times:



Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 14):
back when ACA was flying them for DL on TOL-CVG.

You flew out of TOL???  Wow!

To me, I always liked the take offs in them. They were fun, but I didn't think the aircraft was something out of the ordinary. Much better then the CRJ I must say, though.


User currently offlineConcentriq From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 368 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3824 times:

I have 43 flights to date on AL's Do 328 since 2003. No offence to anyone at AL, or to Do328 or its fans, but sometimes I feel like it is gettign a bit boring for me: starting to think of it as mode of transportation, rather than a rare treat to fly on a 328. The odd number is because once YX cancelled my return flight from CLE-MKE, and put us on CO flight. I have 12 AL flights for which I didnt record tail number, and it looks like I have been on every single one of the AL's Do328 at least once, except for N354SK, which I am sure is somewhere in those 12 unrecorded. Great plane, great airline. they will be missed. Hope everyone affected by this shutdown wont be out of job for too long.


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User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3304 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3797 times:



Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 15):
You flew out of TOL???

Hard to believe, but true..... Even flew back in!


User currently offlineTheredbaron From Mexico, joined Mar 2005, 2296 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3659 times:

Very good looking plane, sadly not a commercial success... my fav after the trijets


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User currently offlineWarszawa From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 727 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3593 times:

Flew Skyways 328 Jet back in July 07 from FNT and return - fantastic aircraft, excels far beyond that of a CRJ in my opinion, and even better than the ERJ. Knew there was a risk of them retiring so I needed to book a flight with Midwest, and at the time, I was travelling to LAS, so I booked Midwest.

The FRJ had a hell of a lot of power on takeoff - it'd kick you back into your seat as if you were departing SNA in a fully loaded trans-con 757.

Back in May 06 I was flying Northwest to LAX from FNT via DTW, and that portion was being operated by the Avro RJ-85. Was lucky to get on the Avro, pretty tough bird to catch a flight on. Had the smoothest-landing i've ever had in my life - must be also do in part to the Avro's design.

The Avro in my opinion still holds the #1 slot though, FRJ #2  Wink

Never had the chance to fly a Beech 1900D in my life - could have done that plenty of times years ago on Midwest but never did. Can anyone tell me if I missed out? Big grin

Nonetheless, the Skyway crews were fantastic on my flights. Sucks that the next time i'll likely be on Midwest, it'll strictly be on the stereotypical CRJ. Nothing unique to flying anymore.



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User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2978 posts, RR: 30
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3476 times:



Quoting Warszawa (Reply 19):
Never had the chance to fly a Beech 1900D in my life - could have done that plenty of times years ago on Midwest but never did. Can anyone tell me if I missed out?

Missed anything? All depends on your perspective, I guess. Small regional props like the BE1 put every passenger much more in touch with the flying. You really feel all the actions and maneuvers, you meet the pilots, and you're really aware of the changing pitch of the engines, the adjusting flaps, the landing gear. All those things can also be perceived as negatives or positives. The Becch 1900D actually is roomier than many 19-seat aircraft (including stand-up headroom) but it's still small inside.

Doing a quick tally this morning I have about 120 segmenets on Skyway over the years and will miss the BE1 and the FRJ. The bulk of my trips were the BE1, but a few dozen were FRJ, and that's the more unique experience. I probably took like last FRJ trip the other day and it was definitely a little sad to step off the aircraft. Best of luck to all involved.


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