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UA Flight Goes Off Runway At Jackson Hole  
User currently offlineXtoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 953 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 5 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12150 times:

Anyone hearing about a UA flight going off the runway at Jackson Hole, WY last night? I heard about it this morning at work on 850 KAO. I think it came from DEN. No one was hurt but it had about 120 pax on board, so it must be a B737 or maybe an A320. I never thought they flew anything that large there. Anyway, I'll see if I can find more info.


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User currently offlineSXI899 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2008, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12081 times:

According to the FAA, it was an A320 N442UA.
Apparently is skidded on landing and struck a snowbank. The passengers evacuated via the slides but there were no injuries reported.

Source

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Yorden



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User currently offlineXtoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12014 times:

Thanks for that. I got a little more info. 119 pax, flight 267. That's it. Nothing else interesting. I did check flight aware about more info on the airport there. Not much of an airport but they do handle quite a bit of commercial traffic, including AA757's.

At least no one was injured, so that's a good thing. Did you hear about how much damage was done to the a/c?



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User currently offlineADXMatt From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 950 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 11755 times:

AP
Plane Slides Off Runway at Wyo. Airport
Tuesday February 26, 1:45 pm ET
Plane Slides Off Runway at Jackson Hole, Wyo., Airport; No Major Injuries Reported


JACKSON, Wyo. (AP) -- Officials say a United Airlines jet carrying 121 people skidded off a runway when it landed at the Jackson Hole, Wyo., airport. There were no major injuries.
An airport official says passengers used emergency slides to get off the plane after Monday night's mishap. One passenger sprained a wrist while exiting the jet.

The plane, arriving from Denver, was carrying 115 passengers and a crew of six.

The National Transportation Safety Board plans to investigate the incident.


User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 11700 times:

Jackson Hole is an interesting airport operations-wise. They can plow and sand the runway, but cannot use any form of anti/de-icing fluid on the runway due to its proximity to the national park.


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User currently offlineBrick From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 11684 times:

The media and United's flight status on its website is saying it was a 319, but the FAA says it was N442UA which is of course a 320.

The flight back to Denver is delayed by like 7 hours this morning. The afternoon flight is canceled, apparently because it was scheduled to be operated by the incident aircraft.



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User currently offlineNickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11475 times:



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 4):
They can plow and sand the runway, but cannot use any form of anti/de-icing fluid on the runway due to its proximity to the national park.

Indeed, and if I recollect correctly the airport is actually located inside the National Park - the Grand Tetons are probably one of the more spectacular backdrops for an airport in the world!


User currently offlineGoingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11315 times:



Quoting Nickofatlanta (Reply 6):
Indeed, and if I recollect correctly the airport is actually located inside the National Park - the Grand Tetons are probably one of the more spectacular backdrops for an airport in the world!

IT's also one of the most amazing takeoff's you'll ever experience. I was in there in the mid 80's on a Western Airlines 737 and as we taxied out, the pilot came on to let us know that we'd be making a left turn immediately after takeoff and he just wanted to give us a heads up since we would be pretty close to the ground when it started. Indeed, it seemed like the wheels were barely off the ground when he banked it over (the other option was to hit Snow King mountain). Absolutely an amazing feeling.


User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 10969 times:



Quoting Nickofatlanta (Reply 6):
probably one of the more spectacular backdrops for an airport in the world!

Indeed!


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I love this picture. JAC after a fresh rain, notice the mountains reflected on the tarmac and the airplane!


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User currently offlineSpartanmjf From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9648 times:



Quoting Xtoler (Reply 2):
Not much of an airport but they do handle quite a bit of commercial traffic, including AA757's.

Actually, having seen AA 757's takeoff and land at Jackson Hole, I have to say that the sight is awe inspiring with the incredible scenery and the sheer power of the takeoff......



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User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2167 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9475 times:



Quoting SXI899 (Reply 1):
According to the FAA, it was an A320 N442UA.

Believe the lists show that as a TED bird.....probably a sub.


User currently offlineWard86IND From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9457 times:

Does anyone fly jets into JAC during the summer or is the short runway and high elevation plus high temperatures too much? Isn't the airport elevation higher than the acual runway length? Lol


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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9107 times:



Quoting Ward86IND (Reply 11):
Does anyone fly jets into JAC during the summer or is the short runway and high elevation plus high temperatures too much?

SkyWest does.



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User currently offlineEssentialPowr From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1820 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9073 times:



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 4):
Jackson Hole is an interesting airport operations-wise. They can plow and sand the runway, but cannot use any form of anti/de-icing fluid on the runway due to its proximity to the national park.

What airports anti/de ice the runways????


User currently offlineGift4tbone From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 8969 times:



Quoting EssentialPowr (Reply 13):
What airports anti/de ice the runways????

I can't speak for others, but at PVD they put whats called Pottasium Accetate (pardon the spelling) on the runways during any and all winter storms. It helps alot to keep the MU values up.

*In case you're not sure, MU values are a measure of breaking action. The lower the worse.

-Tony@PVD



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User currently offline28thguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8891 times:



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 12):
Does anyone fly jets into JAC during the summer or is the short runway and high elevation plus high temperatures too much? Isn't the airport elevation higher than the acual runway length? Lol

I remember taking off on a Delta 757 (bound for Salt Lake City) mid-day in July. The temperature was 80 degrees+ (local heat wave). Needless to say, the pilot taxied to the very beginning of the runway, turned off the air conditioning, and made those engines give it everything they had. We made it to Salt Lake City without a problem.


User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2362 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8855 times:



Quoting UnitedTristar (Reply 8):
Indeed!

*GASP!* That's beautiful.



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8798 times:



Quoting 28thguy (Reply 15):
I remember taking off on a Delta 757 (bound for Salt Lake City) mid-day in July.

FWIW, that's not my quote.



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User currently offlineEssentialPowr From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1820 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8523 times:



Quoting Gift4tbone (Reply 14):

*In case you're not sure, MU values are a measure of breaking action. The lower the worse.

Mu is the greek letter used in defining the coefficient of friction, with 1.0 being the max.

Quoting Gift4tbone (Reply 14):
but at PVD they put whats called Pottasium Accetate (pardon the spelling) on the runways during any and all winter storms

Thanks for the info; so some salts are acceptable. I know salts (and that is a generic chemistry term) are tough on concrete runways, maybe not so much on asphalt overlays.


User currently offlinePhelpsie87 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 498 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8183 times:



Quoting Spartanmjf (Reply 9):
Actually, having seen AA 757's takeoff and land at Jackson Hole, I have to say that the sight is awe inspiring with the incredible scenery and the sheer power of the takeoff......

Check out EGE sometime...thats a fun ride. During the winter months, AA, DL, CO, and NW all operate 757's or 738's, while UA does the A320. In the summer, UA has an A320 to DEN and one to ORD. I have taken the A320 to DEN more times then I can count on fingers and toes. Take a hot day, a full aircraft, the 8000' runway, and mountains on both ends, and you know that your going to experience the full-power of a 757 or A320. I am sure J-Hole is the same way.


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9503 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5890 times:



Quoting Gift4tbone (Reply 14):

I can't speak for others, but at PVD they put whats called Pottasium Accetate (pardon the spelling) on the runways during any and all winter storms. It helps alot to keep the MU values up.

I believe that Potassium Formate is the most common runway deicer. It is a very difficult substance to work with though. It corrodes aluminum and many metals, so a lot of design work has to be done to get around it. It is amazing how much of that stuff can get in the wheel well where on smaller jets sensitive hydraulic components are located.



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User currently offlineJayhup From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5890 times:

JAC is a great airport to fly into and out of.

On approach to RWY 19 you fly parallel to the Tetons giving you a great view of the mountains.

And on arrival, since there are no jet bridges you get to walk right out on to the ramp with those spectacular mountains behind you. On my first visit there I was left speechless.

There have been a few notable incidents at JAC in the past. An a/c carrying Sandra Bullock went off the end of the runway. A C-130 carrying Secret Service equipment for Bill Clinton crashed on take off into Indian Head Mountain and one of the Walton kids (of Walmart fame) killed himself in an ultra light crash in 2006, I believe.

And since VP Dick Cheney's official residence is in Teton Pines the 757 that operates as Air Force Two is a regular site on the ramp.

For a small airfield there is a lot going on...

JH


User currently offlineCoa747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5810 times:

American operates 757's to Dallas pretty much year round I think. I have been in to JAC on American in the summer to hike in the Tetons on numerous ocasions. The takeoffs and landings were both very exciting.

User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5746 times:



Quoting Ward86IND (Reply 11):
Does anyone fly jets into JAC during the summer or is the short runway and high elevation plus high temperatures too much? Isn't the airport elevation higher than the acual runway length? Lol

NWA flies the 319/320 out there in the summer. IIRC, NWA requires that only captains make the landings.



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User currently offlineSuperdash From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 574 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4467 times:

And this was the 2nd commercial plane off the runway in two weeks. SkyWest sent a CRJ-700 into the snowbank 2 weeks ago - everyone walked away from that and the plane looked better than the UA bird. Normally this flight is a 319, but this plane was a TED 320. The 320 and the CRJ-700 are not good planes for Jackson (many payload issues).

http://www.jacksonholenews.com/article.php?art_id=2799


25 N62NA : I just flew an AA 757 EGE-ORD earlier this week and was looking forward to the exciting takeoff to the west. Well... it wasn't really that exciting.
26 Phelpsie87 : Hmmm, thats too bad. Head back in the summer and hope for a better ride. That way they will use more runway...which in EGE means higher angle of atta
27 OPNLguy : This one appears to have an usual cause... "Oops!" In its continuing investigation of an incident in which a United Airlines Airbus A-320 jetliner dep
28 Post contains links ZANL188 : Apparently there is more going on here then your typical winter weather excursion off of the paved surfaces.... **************************************
29 A318 : I have flown in and out of both JAC and EGE, and both remain two of my favorite airports. The take offs and landings are phenomenal!! I have pictures
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