RW170 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 430 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9600 times:
Following in UA's footsteps, US Airways is going to begin charging $25 for the 2nd checked bag. Dividend Miles Preferred members will be exempt along with First and Envoy class passengers, Star Alliance Silver and Gold members, active duty military, and UMs.
Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12028 posts, RR: 50 Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9304 times:
Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 5): What I find hilarious is how these legacy carriers think they have more value added than the LCCs
At one time they might have, now it is hard to tell who is a full service and who is a LCC's. Yeah I know airport lounges and superior FF programs make the full service carriers all that and a bag of chips.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31766 posts, RR: 73 Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9271 times:
I don't think it will have an effect on passengers, for the most part, but it will effect a handful of travelers, myself included. I will not consider flying UA and US if they are going to charge for extra bags.
However, if AA started charging for bags, I would still fly them - not because I agree with them - but because I have little other choice, especially considering the routes I travel most often (like LAX-ORD, MIA-LAX, MIA-LGA). And the same will be for the many who have little options but to fly US Airways - they will suck it up and stick with US, as much as they hate it.
PanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9 Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9270 times:
While I applaud some of the moves airlines make in the desperate attempt to save money, I must question the logic (as I did in the United thread): Which would you rather have your employees dealing with - two small bags (roughly 25 lbs) or one large bag (up to 50 lbs)? On THIS point, the larger bag policy is illogical.
On the other hand, if $25 for all the extra junk a person wants to take breaks the bank, you shouldn't be flying in the first place.
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PanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9 Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9131 times:
Quote: It adds $200 to a family of four going on vacation - who will often fly with eight bags, especially to places like Orlando, Miami, and Las Vegas. That's significant.
Agreed - any chance of getting bigger suitcases? Since they only care about the number and apparently not the weight (up to 50 lbs), maybe it would be possible to stuff more in it?
It reminds me of the logic of Heathrow's "One Bag Only" policy through security - regardless of how big it is. Stuff it all into one humongous bag, then get through security, then unstuff it all on your way to the shops...er, excuse me, the departure gates.
It is going to hit some travellers harder than others - but so has the increase in fuel costs to airlines. I don't necessarily agree with the logic, but the airline will make that decision. This might mean people will choose other airlines, and rightfully so - I dislike NW's seating policy, so I don't fly them - but that's their decision to make.
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FFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 732 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9095 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9): It adds $200 to a family of four going on vacation - who will often fly with eight bags, especially to places like Orlando, Miami, and Las Vegas. That's significant.
Two adults, two kids...eight bags plus carry-on?? People fly to the destinations you mentioned typically for a week. Who needs that amount of stuff for such a short trip? Our family of three goes to Europe every year for three to four weeks, and we never have more than four (plus carry-on) bags. Not that I like the UA/US idea here.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21793 posts, RR: 19 Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9062 times:
Quoting RW170 (Reply 15): Careful with that. There is a fee for any bag larger than 62". 62" - 80" is an extra $80. Anything over 80" is not accepted.
However, if the policy causes people to get closer to the limits (both in terms of size and in terms of weight) and/or carry more on, it seems that the effect may not be what US hopes for. Especially with respect to carryons, I do not know of any narrowbody that can accommodate the carryon limit for each passenger. That COULD lead to a lot of gate checking, which does not bring in revenue but does delay flights and require more ramper time per bag than does 'traditional' checking.
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Prinair From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 744 posts, RR: 2 Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9055 times:
Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 8): While I applaud some of the moves airlines make in the desperate attempt to save money, I must question the logic (as I did in the United thread): Which would you rather have your employees dealing with - two small bags (roughly 25 lbs) or one large bag (up to 50 lbs)? On THIS point, the larger bag policy is illogical.
Passengers rarely check in two small bags, most have large bags and are usually right at the weight limit (50lbs).
I applaud this move by UA/US, it is about time that people fly with a reasonable amount of bags and stop trying to bring all of their junk with them.
Just watch now how all of the others will eventually follow......
Atrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5672 posts, RR: 53 Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks ago) and read 8983 times:
Quoting Sevenair (Reply 18):
Oh please, families are always the 'victims'. So, Mother and Father are going to carry four bags each? I think not.
No.. Do the Math. An average person has 1 carry on and 2 bags to check. So a family of four as mark stated, would equal 8.
On SWA, when we had the 3rd bag for free (now recently changed to 25 charge for 3rd bag), we would see families of four utilize the 3 bags free checked and saw 12 bags being checked for a trip to LAS or MCO or such vacation places.
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LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 23483 posts, RR: 50 Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks ago) and read 8970 times:
I think the bottom line is that someone has to pay for the added hundreds of millions in cost that are going up at the airline, and product unbundling seems to be a low hanging fruit to drive additional revenues.
Here was todays letter to employees on the move.
Quote: February 26, 2008
Dear US Airways Employee:
Today, US Airways announced that we're matching United Airlines' checked bag policy ($25 for the second checked bag) for travel after May 5. Even though other low-cost carriers have this policy, and even though our premium customers won't be charged for the second bag, you're likely to get questions from customers and co-workers. Let me share some of the reasons for this change with you -- both the short-term view and the longer term industry view.
In the short term, high fuel costs are our new reality. Oil topped $100 a barrel this month and it appears that the days of $30 or even $50-a-barrel oil are gone forever. The impact on the airline industry is very significant. In our case, higher fuel prices are projected to add $800 million to our expenses in 2008. When you consider that our entire profit in 2007 was $440 million (excluding special items), the impact is stark.
There are several ways to offset this impact. Raising fares is one way, but raising fares is only possible when supply and demand are balanced. When there are too many seats in the industry chasing too few passengers (as is the case today), passengers will move their business to other airlines with lower prices. This means we have to look for ways to 1) raise revenues to protect the financial health of the company, 2) stay competitive in the industry, and 3) give customers what they truly value.
This requires us to think about the business in ways we may not have five, 10 or 15 years ago.
That's where we are today. And we're moving carefully. Rather than issuing a blanket charge for any second bag, we've looked at it with a closer eye and will not charge our best customers --Dividend Miles Preferred or Star Alliance Silver or Gold members. Nor are we charging members of the military or our employees, or charging customers checking assistive devices.
This means that roughly 8 percent of our current customer base will be affected by the change. Even so, the impact on revenues and costs will be significant. We're looking at all aspects of the airline with an eye toward adapting our business to the needs of our customers, because not all customers want -- nor will they pay for -- the exact same product. That's why hotel chains like Marriott have several different kinds of brands that cater to different kinds of customers (a high-end Ritz-Carlton or more economical Fairfield Inn). We, too, have different "brands" for our customers -- upgraded international service, First Class and airport clubs, while also offering low book-ahead fares for leisure customers.
There are other examples of this "unbundled" approach in other industries. Hotels, for example, charge extra for amenities like bottled water, parking, use of the gym or telephone, etc. Rental car companies charge extra for navigation systems or satellite radio. At US Airways and other airlines, we also charge today for food in coach.
These business models reflect the reality that services cost money, and those who want and use them should pay for them.
Some critics may call this another example of airline customers being "nickel-and-dimed" for services that used to be provided as part of the flying experience -- food, entertainment, and now bags. But the airline industry of 2008 is very different from the industry of 1998 or 1988, and we have to be realistic -- and innovative -- about our product. I suspect that this will be a year when we see a lot of change in the industry -- mergers, acquisitions, and more "un-bundled" services rather than a "one product fits all" approach to our business.
The financial stability of the company and our employees' security rests on a more realistic assessment of airline life in 2008. Rather than wait for external factors to change, we have to take charge of our own destiny and ensure we're here for the long-term.
More details are being sent to the airports and are being posted on awaCompass, theHub and our newest web site, Wings. As always, if you have questions, let us know.
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How about merchant seamen? I am an officer on a cruise ship and am usually away for months at a time. I have no choice but to take two bags. I also don't have a choice of airlines as my company has special ticketing agreements with.......US Airways and United!
You don't think that their policy isn't going to change along with everyone else's?
Besides, for my money, I'd rater pay the extra few bucks to avoid WN/FL/TZ, etc... in case I need to be rerouted due to a MX problem or a misconnect. The agreements between the big six airlines are where I see the most value over the LCC's.
Also, this article says that only 8% of pax check two bags...not exactly a large chunk of their customer base.
LAXdude1023 From Lebanon, joined Sep 2006, 7050 posts, RR: 25 Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks ago) and read 8916 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7): However, if AA started charging for bags, I would still fly them - not because I agree with them - but because I have little other choice, especially considering the routes I travel most often (like LAX-ORD, MIA-LAX, MIA-LGA). And the same will be for the many who have little options but to fly US Airways - they will suck it up and stick with US, as much as they hate it.
Agreed. I fly with AA for the same reason. The routes I fly mostly (LAX/SNA-DFW (I do this one every 2 weeks), LAX-NRT, and LAX-HKG) are on AA or their partner CX for Milage purposes (for LAX-HKG). Even If AA started charging for bags, which they might I will still be loyal to them for the reason that they fly where I need to go.
Either way I never take more than one bag. Its seems like (and I could very well be wrong, just going on observation) the passengers who take more than one bag tend to be the ones who never fly and are going to leisure destinations. This is a decent way to get more money out of passengers who are flying on the dirt cheap fares.
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25 Ouboy79: Holy crap, who does your packing? This has to be one of the dumbest statements I've seen on here in awhile. I grew up in a family of four...at most i
26 Atrude777: WN just already changed their policy to now allow 2 bags free, and 3rd checked so that statement is out the door. SWA has over 3,400 daily flights, i
27 FFlyer: Really? I still can't believe it being an average! Including kids...
28 Atrude777: Well, note AVERAGE When SWA did the study to figure the change from 3 bags to 2, it averaged out to only 2 bags checked and one carry on luggage. Ale
29 Iowaman: Leisure destinations yes, but I fly a few times a year and for example when I go on a cruise out of MIA for a week, I'll probably bring back two chec
30 MAH4546: Tell that to any airline check-in agent at MIA, FLL, MCO, LAS, or the Caribbean. Families of four pack heavy...very heavy. Four bags is pretty typica
31 NWADC9: I check in one bag and a fishing rod in a 4-foot case (ok, so it's two 2-foot poster mailing tubes taped together, but I saved $75 doing that, so HA!)
32 MMEPHX: Will they be charging for 2 bags transatlantic? Current agreements (unless they will be changing with open skies, and I don't know) I believe is that
33 Ryefly: Good thing I booked my flight in May on US Airways last week to MIA to go on a cruise. Since I purchased before the deadline, I think I will pack a ex
34 MSPDL: You know this is a total hassle for the passengers and the airline employees. But if passengers are smart they will ask the airline they are flying qu
35 Jbernie: 3 people (all adults) 3 weeks in Australia (from denver) taking christmas presents and general presents for relatives opposite seasons 3 suitcases I c
36 Azncsa4qf744er: For places HOT like LAS or anywhere in Florida you shouldn't be checking any bags. What are you not packing? At most one bag but two? My god! Not dum
37 N917ME: Now I do understand that this is not a "special handling" charge, however, with US Airways current and longstanding issues with baggage handling, shou
38 EyesSkyward: This is a joke right? Wow, I didn't know that the LCC's never have crew or mechanical issues that result in cancelled flights.
39 DeltAirlines: If I'm spending a week in Florida (which I often do), I check two bags - one bag of clothes and then my golf clubs. Plenty of excellent golf in Flori
40 Denver11: Great, I really want to pay them to lose my bags, they already do that for free!:P I've only flown US 4 times, but all four times, they've lost at lea
41 JFK69: All this leads to is more boobs trying to pack a roll on and stuffing it into the overhead bin which has no chance of all of fitting......then the FA'
42 UsAirways16bwi: quoting all negative replies: . . . . . . . CHECK ONE BAG. u dont have to bring your whole damn wardrobe for a week vacation......geez.
43 Ocracoke: ..................../snip/............. ................./snip/............. Well, I would hope that they wouldn't charge customers checking assistiv
44 DeltAirlines: And as I said in my reply, it's not that simple always. For a golf vacation, or a ski vacation, or something like that, you need to check one bag for
45 Breaker1011: I can hike Maui for a week on just a carry on. Yeah, I smell after a while. But it's Maui, who cares? Kidding aside, this is another example of Parker
46 Hondah35: I can count on one hand the number of times me or my family have carried one more than one bag per person, but anybody who thinks it is rare has neve
47 FlyDeltaJets87: Until they're the cheapest carrier by $50 or more round trip and even then that's only a factor if you plan on bringing everything but the kitchen si
48 MAH4546: Yes, you pack TWO bags. Maybe the second bag is a bag of golf clubs, or maybe it's some diving equipment, or maybe it's a suitor with your nicer clot
49 TxAgKuwait: I believe it was Gordon Bethune who made the comment that it was possible to make a pizza so cheap that nobody would want to eat it. Gordon was always
50 Pellegrine: I can't really say this was unexpected considering the operating climate. Although, I am surprised that it has not spread to AA, CO, NW, and DL, espec
51 Platinumfoota: As a ramp agent i can tell u that most people DONT check in 2 bags when flying within the states. Most flights have a less bags than passengers if not
52 Airlinespotter: Then don't fly with them again dude. That way you don't have to complaint anymore.
53 Mah584jr: Listen, if you can afford to go to skiing or golfing destinations for a vacation, then you sure as heck can afford to pay for an extra bag. On a side
54 Ckfred: The problem for leisure travelers is the shoulder season. My wife and I used to take spring (late March through early May) or fall (mid September thro
55 Pellegrine: Seriously. That really got a laugh out of me. Even if you ski or golf within driving distance of your residence, you're probably within the top x% an
56 PiedmontINT: My question is, what happens when you transit thru PHL and your 2nd bag gets lost, will you get your $25 back at least? I have a feelng the answer wou
57 SkyguyB727: I once saw a young couple check three large, heavy bags for a three day trip to Las Vegas. Even if they changed clothes every four hours around the c
58 United319: Its about time. I had a customer checking in flying by himself with two 65lb bags. It is rediculous how much people pack sometimes. I went to europe f
59 Luv2cattlecall: No kidding....and what car are they renting that holds 4 + 12 bags (8 checked in and 4 carryon) I hope this doesn't come across as rude, but you do h
60 David21487: Well, although DL still allows you to check two bags free of charge, the overweight baggage fee increased by $30. Effective 2/26, for any bag weighti
61 Maverick623: Wrong, wrong, wrong. 95% of airplanes I load have anywhere from 10-30 less bags than passengers, and most of the rest are 1:1. The only exceptions ar