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ATL Reveals New Jackson Int'l Terminal  
User currently offlineAv8rDAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 462 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 5 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 15442 times:

Atlanta airport officials revealed the design (with photos) of the new proposed international terminal. Anyone who has flown into and terminated in ATL knows it's a real pain to clear customs and reclaim your personal property, clear security, etc. Usually takes an hour on a good day. My non-American friends have told me some nightmare stories about waiting 2+ hours in the Foreign Nationals lines....

The new terminal is supposed to:
--allow access independently of the rest of the airport (from I-75)
--solve the arrivals fiasco mentioned above
--be connected to the rest of the airport via underground train for connections
--generally alleviate crowds during the peak times for international departures in the main terminals (afternoons)

ATL's local fishwrap has a story on it right here. See below for excerpt.

Transportation Committee of the Atlanta City Council on Wednesday will be asked to approve about $1.2 billion for construction of the long-anticipated terminal, which has been discussed since the late 1990s. Roadways, underground trains and other costs will push the cost to about $1.6 billion — twice the original estimate — by the time the terminal opens its 12 new gates in about three years.

Transportation Committee members, who oversee the world's busiest airport, got their first glimpse at new plans for the terminal Wednesday morning.

Fliers will approach the Maynard Holbrook Jackson Jr. International Terminal — named for Atlanta's late mayor — from Interstate 75. And because there is curbside pick-up, arriving international travelers will not have to recheck their bags as they now do.

The current international gate complex, built for the 1996 Olympics, is located on Concourse E, which can only be accessed through the distant main airport terminal off Interstate 85. Arriving international travelers currently have to recheck their bags once they clear U.S. Customs and retrieve them after a train ride or long hike to the main terminal. The baggage recheck system is often cited in surveys as a major complaint by the 86 million people a year who use Hartsfield-Jackson.



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 15416 times:

Let me the first to say, "It's about friggin' time!" Now get going and build that thing.

As a side, wasn't the original plan for only 10 gates?


User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 15365 times:

Anyone else notice the Alitalia bird in one of the photos?  Big grin

User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 15256 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 2):
Anyone else notice the Alitalia bird in one of the photos?

I do know there are a bunch of 777-300's shown on the design plans  Smile



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 15219 times:

...great to see such a new development at my favorite, and the world's busiest, airport.

That said, what the heck did those swine who felt the need to screw up the airport's name (and branded anyone who felt it redundant to have the same name for an entire airport as well as one of its terminals-- a "racist", the most trite and misused word in the English language) actually get out of doing so?


User currently offlineAv8rDAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 462 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 15164 times:



Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 4):
That said, what the heck did those swine who felt the need to screw up the airport's name (and branded anyone who felt it redundant to have the same name for an entire airport as well as one of its terminals-- a "racist", the most trite and misused word in the English language) actually get out of doing so?

Probably the same people who organized all of those false campaign donations for Bill Campbell's '97 mayoral re-election. You know, to cover for the big donor who eventually was to be awarded the $360 Million contract for dirt for the 5th Runway (before the Feds got wind of it).

I'd like to see how the new terminal is used as a political football in the next couple of years. This is the City of Atlanta and its airport we're talking about here.



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 15063 times:



Quoting Av8rDAL (Reply 5):
This is the City of Atlanta

true... meaning that someone's gonna get the scarlet "R" branded to their forehead for something  Yeah sure


User currently offlineAmtrakGuy From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 14939 times:

So this is on other side from Main Terminal? Next to current International Concourse E?

What will happened to Concourse E? You think AirTran will wants to have them to expand?

What's happening with 31 Gates the airport was planning (South Gate Complex). IMO, I think South Gate Complex should be for International flights, while the new planned International be used for future expansion (Domestic only). And build another Main Terminal at the end near I-75 -- have the underground people mover go from current Main Terminal to other Main Terminal with all stops to concourses.


User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3010 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 14901 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 2):
Anyone else notice the Alitalia bird in one of the photos?

I'd LOVE to see a CSA plane at ATL! Flew Biz Class on CSA several years ago, and was blown away by the inflight service! Hard product (seats, IFE, etc) weren't the latest-and-greatest, but I had the time of my life!



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User currently offlineJrlander From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 14780 times:



Quoting AmtrakGuy (Reply 7):
What will happened to Concourse E? You think AirTran will wants to have them to expand?

From my understanding- Concourse E (which has common use gates) will continue to serve as an international terminal. The 12 gates of the new terminal would not be enough to support even the current level of international service.


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5930 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 14749 times:



Quoting AmtrakGuy (Reply 7):
So this is on other side from Main Terminal? Next to current International Concourse E?

Yes....Think of concourse E as a gigantic "T" shape with the new terminal attached to the pointy end of it.

Quoting AmtrakGuy (Reply 7):
What will happened to Concourse E? You think AirTran will wants to have them to expand?

E will still continue to be used for international flights, basically E is getting 12 more gates and its own dedicated terminal.

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 4):
That said, what the heck did those swine who felt the need to screw up the airport's name (and branded anyone who felt it redundant to have the same name for an entire airport as well as one of its terminals-- a "racist", the most trite and misused word in the English language) actually get out of doing so?

Basicly the city council had planned on naming the terminal for him, however supporters of the late mayor said that wasn't enough.....I'm neither disagreeing with that nor agreeing with that I'm just posting the link... Smile

http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/At...t-battle-s-t395.html&referid=10526



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11451 posts, RR: 61
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 14732 times:

Very smart that they're investing in this infrastructure, and what looks to be an excellent international terminal.

They know who their competition is going to be in the next 5-10 years: DFW and IAH. These three hubs - DFW, IAH, ATL - are, in my view, the best-positioned in America to take advantage of changing demographic shifts, traffic flows, and economic trends. Both DFW and IAH now have beautiful, brand-new international terminals. And now ATL will have one to match.

Smart.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7528 posts, RR: 28
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 5 days ago) and read 14545 times:

I'm amazed how quickly construction costs (materials & labor) have escalated over the past few years.

When NW build the DTW Worldgateway, the entire project was roughly $1.6-1.8 billion. That was for a 90+ gate facility.


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 5 days ago) and read 14541 times:

With all due respect, IAH and DFW have some serious catching up to do to equal – let alone pass the scope of the international offerings at ATL. Texas is too far out of the way to be a viable large hub to Europe; while it may have a lot of untapped potential to Asia, we haven’t seen it expressed in the number of flights being offered yet, at least by the dominant carriers in the region. In terms of Latin America, yes, all 3 cities are well positioned to serve the region. However, a lot of the growth to/from Latin America will come through the ability to connect that region with the rest of the world, something US airlines are very well positioned to do.

Now all we need is a deal with a current 744 operator to see some of those birds at ATL in the colors of the hometown airline.


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11451 posts, RR: 61
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 5 days ago) and read 14495 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 13):
With all due respect

Thanks.

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 13):
IAH and DFW have some serious catching up to do to equal – let alone pass the scope of the international offerings at ATL

It's not about catching up. The way economic conditions and demographics are changing, and the way traffic patterns are shifting, all three airports stand to benefit enormously. I suppose, given your characterization, that IAH and DFW simply have more up-side potential.

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 13):
Texas is too far out of the way to be a viable large hub to Europe; while it may have a lot of untapped potential to Asia, we haven’t seen it expressed in the number of flights being offered yet, at least by the dominant carriers in the region.

Texas is perfectly positioned to capture traffic from the west to Europe, but is too far out of the way to capture traffic from the east to Europe, just as how Atlanta is in the perfect place to capture traffic from the south to Europe, but too far south to get too many connections from the north to Europe. So yeah, geography is a two-way street.

The reason we haven't seen that much more Texas-Asia service is a consequence of the lack - until now - of effective long-range aircraft that could serve these markets profitably. In addition, one of the main markets that could support flights to/from Texas, China, has been closed until now. With 777LRs and 787s entering the picture in the last five years, and the next five years, respectively, I think we'll see plenty of additional capacity between Texas and Asia in the next 5-10 years.

Not to mention that, in the area of cargo traffic, we have seen a mountain of new capacity from Texas to Asia, far more than ATL or just about any other airport in America in terms of growth in the last few years. Air freight between Asia and DFW alone more than doubled in less than 5 years from 2002 to 2006. So I'd argue that yes, to an extent, you are seeing this traffic beginning to show up.


User currently offlineAAflyguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 358 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 14358 times:

Great to see the future East Terminal renderings, FINALLY! I think it looks great, and will offer a positive first impression of international arriving passengers. It can't come too soon. In 3-years, ATL's international traffic will have probably increased another 15% or more.

Also, NW did not build the McNamara Terminal @ DTW. It simply used Wayne County issued bonds to fund construction. That's such a misconception that the airline funded the terminal. It is true that NW basically was given free reign to design the facility to meet its needs, but it did not pay for it. The County took a hands off approach in the design & construction. NW simply leases the McNamara (or as it calls it, the Northwest World Gateway) from the Wayne County Airport Authority. The Authority owns the structure, however.

AAflyguy


User currently offlineAv8rDAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 462 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 14153 times:

I'm looking forward to it and am glad ATL has been re-furbishing the facility in its entirety. The carpet in the concourses as well as that ugly brown tile that used to cover the baggage claim/check-in areas are finally gone. The whole place is much brighter and looks cleaner with the new floors. Comparable, but not quite equal to some of the German airports I've been to: FRA, MUC, DUS, CGN. They are probably the cleanest public buildings I've ever seen in the entire world.

Now, if ATL officials could just get rid of those silly giant ants by baggage claim. What kind of message does that send to arriving pax from all points of the world? "Welcome to Atlanta, Georgia: home of Delta, AirTran, and fire ants."



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 13868 times:

Regarding the future of Concourse E, from the linked article:

Quoting The Atlanta Fish Wrapper (Thread starter):
It will be connected to the main terminal through an underground train that connects the new facility and Concourse E, whose gates will be used primarily for domestic flights.

The bulk of the international service will go out of the 12 new gates, but some services (I'm guessing flights to Mexico, Canada, Central America, and the Caribbean which are primarily operated by narrowbodies.) will still operate from E, along with some European service. Currently, during some parts of the day, domestic flights do operate into and out of E, usually flights that are going to or coming in from Mexico, Central America, and the Caribbean.

The fact that there will be I-75 access is good. I wonder if some park and ride lots like those on Camp Creek Parkway will pop up over in Mountain View and Forest Park? If that were to happen, I'd really be happy, since they would practically be a straight shot from where I currently live. I don't park @ ATL because of the cost to park there (Heck some of the off-site parking lots are just as expensive as the airport.).

I wonder how access to MARTA is going to be accomplished with this new terminal? One idea that was floated by (CItizens for Progressive Transit) is to make the Southern end of the North-South line a loop that would include a Riverdale Road station (presumably the stop for the South Gate Complex), one at the Georgia State Farmer's Market, one at the Jackson Terminal, one at Hapeville (There is currently a provision south of the East Point station for a line to Hapeville, as it was part of the original MARTA plans.) before connecting back onto the line below the East Point station.

http://www.cfpt.org/images/wctv/hires.gif


User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2529 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 13779 times:
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Wonderful and a long time coming!

But why in the world name it after Maynard Jackson?  Yeah sure as if I didn't already know-------------------!



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User currently offlineAAflyguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 358 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 12284 times:

I really hated all of that brick in the terminals and Transportation Mall. What I didn't know for a long time is that it was the airlines strong requests to cut construction costs which led to the flooring to be brick instead of terrazzo. The architects were insistent upon designing a soaring roof which would add to HVAC costs, and the compromise was a change in flooring type.

On the naming issue, it really is going to be overkill to have Maynard Jackson's name both representing the airport as well as the East Terminal. One would really have been sufficient, preferably the terminal. Or they could have left the name of the airport alone (since most still know it as Hartsfield) and call it Maynard Jackson Field. Just seems stupid to me and not well thought out to have so much bear his name. He was not the father of ATL aviation. His contributions, no matter your view on them, centered around the Midfield Terminal Complex. To that end, I would even say to name the existing Midfield Terminal Complex after him would have been enough, but who am I.

AAflyguy


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 12156 times:



Quoting Commavia (Reply 14):
Texas is perfectly positioned to capture traffic from the west to Europe



Quoting Commavia (Reply 14):
With 777LRs and 787s entering the picture in the last five years, and the next five years, respectively, I think we'll see plenty of additional capacity between Texas and Asia in the next 5-10 years.



Quoting Srbmod (Reply 17):
The bulk of the international service will go out of the 12 new gates,

there is no way that DL can accommodate its widebody international service in 12 gates. Assuming DL gets use of half of the gates on F (which I'm guessing they'll get what they want since they can veto the project) It is more likely that DL would put its competitive nonstop markets in F (such as London, Frankfurt, Amsterdam, Paris) and its non-competitive markets would remain in E w/ foreign carriers going to F.


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6583 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 12074 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 20):
there is no way that DL can accommodate its widebody international service in 12 gates. Assuming DL gets use of half of the gates on F (which I'm guessing they'll get what they want since they can veto the project) It is more likely that DL would put its competitive nonstop markets in F (such as London, Frankfurt, Amsterdam, Paris) and its non-competitive markets would remain in E w/ foreign carriers going to F.

Correct.

Some of E will see increased domestic service (DL, FL or others), but a good chunk of E will remain international. I believe the goal is to allow more domestic for E as a stopgap until the southern terminal is opened (2015?). Once the southern terminal opens, you could then allow E to shift back to mostly international.


User currently offlineChgoflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 622 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11241 times:

Why is Maynard Jacksons name on this? He did not do anything for aviation in Atlanta.


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User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10690 times:

It's so funny to be on T concourse now and know that it used to be the International concourse! Especially in the little baggage claim area for T--that used to be customs.

My how our little ATL has grown up....


User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6446 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10580 times:

Since the Jackson International Terminal is scheduled for opening in 2011, I wonder when will construction begin on the South Gate Complex. It has been rumored that AirTran is interested in moving there once it is completed. The South Gate Complex will consist of 70 gates.

If I could name the South Gate Complex, I would name it the Candler Terminal.



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25 RL757PVD : Its also not rumored that air tran is not interested unless it will be cost effective for an LCC to operate from... which probably wont be the case.
26 Breaker1011 : The one thing I can't seem to find is a good diagram of the total future terminal complex - map form, you know. I know I've seen one in the past, but
27 N160LH : It was rumored that BA, AF, KL, etc... would move to the new terminal and give DL the majority of terminal E for its international operations... (YES
28 PavlovsDog : When I'm dictator there won't be a Reagan, Bush, Jackson, Logan, Kennedy or any other glorification of political power named airport. Nice terminal t
29 DAL767400ER : The masterplan site has a map, but that one has last been updated in 2004, when the new International Terminal was still planned to be a semi-circula
30 Post contains images ImperialEagle : Yeah, its true. You have to be from Atlanta to truly understand this situation----sigh.
31 Deltadude : In Atlanta, often times it not your achievements, it's the color of your skin.
32 Rb211 : And Colonel Sanders did nothing for chicken in Kentucky. Maynard Jackson is responsible for the construction of the midfield terminal under budget an
33 Chgoflyer : Good try but if that is the logic then Billy Paynes name should be on ATL. Bush, Reagan and Kennedy where all Presidents, whatever.
34 Srbmod : The masterplan site is kaput. I tried to access a few weeks back and got one of those web provider parking pages. Which is pretty much restating what
35 RB211 : And your mouth needs to be above your waist and to the front. And they were also politicians, just like mayors and governors, As I also clearly state
36 Viscount724 : It just seems a little redundant to name the new terminal for him when the entire airport already includes his name.
37 Rb211 : I totally agree. I also agree with that. Like maybe Jimmy Carter. Afterall he is/was an ambassador wasn't he not to mention the Governor of Georgia a
38 RB211 : Do you think that maybe there is the possiblility of using the old Ford plant as maybe a park and ride?
39 Cubsrule : I'm a little confused on how the FIS is going to work at this terminal. Will the new gates have a new FIS facility completely distinct from what's the
40 Srbmod : If any airport parking lots were to be built, they would have to be in portions of the site that do not lie with the City of Hapeville, as the City o
41 Rb211 : That sucks and swallows. So how will MARTA rail cope with this considering that the North Terminal is the terminus for MARTA rail south. It's already
42 ConcordeBoy : ...apparently you missed the 4th reply to this thread............
43 Av8rDal : You'll take the bus. That's about two miles of track (out and back) and MARTA can't add track to the North line for under $100 Million per mile. Thro
44 Flynavy : Had you taken the time out to read the thread, you would have seen that the underground rail system at the airport will be extended to Concourse F.[E
45 Flyingcat : Rethjink the questions in these terms: 1. you arrive in intl. terminal and your trip terminates in ATL. One of the touted advantages of the new termi
46 Cubsrule : If they retain the current FIS facility as a transfer FIS facility, it would be entirely possible, though difficult, expensive, and error-prone, to p
47 AAflyguy : Has there been any suggestion or confirmation that this building is going to be referred to as Concourse F? It's not a Concourse. It is a Terminal, ju
48 N757KW : I always liked the ants. Maybe because having picnics in the South always involved ants. Better than the original quilts, tiles and neon lights that
49 AAflyguy : I don't think it's going to be connected above ground. Those taxiways on the east side of Conc E are used for the deicing operations and for transitio
50 RB211 : I know the terminal/ concourse layout at ATL like the back of my hand. Maybe you misunderstood. I was asking about them extending MARTA rail, not the
51 Flynavy : It's a stupid idea in my opinion; not to mention completely unnecessary. It's only one stop (probably a total for 15 seconds longer) away from Concou
52 RB211 : Mmmmmkay.
53 AAflyguy : It's probably going to be about the same length of a ride as between existing concourses between E & East Terminal. I say this because the Conc E stop
54 Av8rDAL : One way would be an additional surcharge on passenger tickets to subsidize it. Though I don't see anything more than a bus to connect the dots. A goo
55 AAflyguy : Av8rDAL, Yes, I have been on those buses before. They're great, wide, low-floor buses with tons of room for people and bags. The only thing is that th
56 Post contains images Ikramerica : So, the first thing IAH and DFW need to do to catch up to ATL, according to you, is move out of Houston and Dallas to Georgia? Would South Carolina b
57 DTWAGENT : I'm so glad that something is going to be done about that. I came back from MBJ last summer. And my god I thought I was back at FRA going thru custome
58 Dl757md : What I'd like to see is DL turn the entire TOC parking lot into a 4+ level parking deck leaving the lower level isolated from the rest and designated
59 RB211 : That's what I was saying in reference put a spur in, if not College Park, then somewhere. not that it would dead end at the new East Terminal. MARTA
60 Post contains links and images Srbmod : I've cropped the map image (The proposed transit network as floated by CFPT) I posted in Reply 17 to highlight said area, and also am including part
61 AAflyguy : This East Terminal is basically going to be built with services for a 40-gate facility, not 12-gates. That alone makes its 1.2 million sf size necessa
62 Post contains links Srbmod : A bit of an update. From Former Ford plant could become part of new mini-city The project is tentative as they have to have approval by the Atlanta R
63 AAflyguy : I suspect the "airport parking" will probably comprise the space most directly under the flightpath of 8L/26R. That would have most of the development
64 RB211 : Hopefiully this will be the gasoline that gets MARTA to start expansion. Atlanta is grownig so fast that in a few years we might be talking about serv
65 Iflyatldl : Actually, they have..... Dunwoody, Sandy Springs and North Springs.
66 Post contains images Rb211 : I keep forgetting those, probably because they're so close to 285. Still needs to stretch though. Then I won't have to pay the toll to get to Lennox
67 Srbmod : There is a proposal to extend the North Line from North Springs up to Windward Parkway. Honestly, I don't see it happening within the next 10 years u
68 Allstarflyer : And since ATL doesn't experience the delays that IAH does, this works even more in ATL's favor. I don't like going through ATL (whacked TSA experienc
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