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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1901 times:

Anyone know how PIA to FLL, SFB, PIE and IWL are doing?

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User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3253 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1889 times:

What's IWL? As for the rest, they haven't dropped the service yet, so that's a positive sign.


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User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1836 times:

I think he means IWA-Phoenix/Williams Gateway Airport in Mesa, AZ.

User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3007 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1779 times:

.....still hating G4 for dropping GSP-LAS before it could develop properly.... At least GSP has G4 service to 3 Florida destinations...


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User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4364 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1690 times:
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Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 3):
still hating G4 for dropping GSP-LAS before it could develop properly.... At least GSP has G4 service to 3 Florida destinations...

Even developed, GSP had no hope to Vegas on Allegiant. gas guzzling MD-80's + $100 barrel fuel + near transcon= too expensive for cheap cheap Allegiant.



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User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1686 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1671 times:

Isn't LAS-GSP a stretch for the MD-83? Maybe that had something to do with it.


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User currently offlineATCRick From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 772 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1557 times:
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GSP-LAS is a big stretch. A full flight with heavy headwinds won't happen.

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 3):
.....still hating G4 for dropping GSP-LAS before it could develop properly

Dont hate G4 for that. Economics and G4 paying close attention help keep fares low.



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User currently offlineB757capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1521 times:



Quoting ATCRick (Reply 6):
GSP-LAS is a big stretch. A full flight with heavy headwinds won't happen.

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 3):
.....still hating G4 for dropping GSP-LAS before it could develop properly

Dont hate G4 for that. Economics and G4 paying close attention help keep fares low.

RICK WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN? We've missed your posts!



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User currently offlineATCRick From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 772 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1266 times:
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Quoting B757capt (Reply 7):
RICK WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN? We've missed your posts!

HI!!! I recently had major unexpected surgery and have been recovering for 3 months. but I'm back!!!!!!!



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User currently offlineB757capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1243 times:



Quoting ATCRick (Reply 8):

HI!!! I recently had major unexpected surgery and have been recovering for 3 months. but I'm back!!!!!!!

Oh man Bravo Golf and I have worried!! Glad to see you back!



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User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3007 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1233 times:



Quoting ATCRick (Reply 6):
GSP-LAS is a big stretch. A full flight with heavy headwinds won't happen.

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 3):
.....still hating G4 for dropping GSP-LAS before it could develop properly

Dont hate G4 for that. Economics and G4 paying close attention help keep fares low.

So, WHY did the geniuses start the flight in the first place?????



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User currently offlineATCRick From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 772 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1223 times:
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Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 10):
So, WHY did the geniuses start the flight in the first place?????

Well, I guess they didn't expect the price of fuel to go through the roof like it continues to do. And I guess the "geniuses" could have remained in the market had they chosen to raise the prices significantly to cover the costs. And FYI, G4 is not the first airline to ever pull out of a market because of profitability. So please tell me that you are not that naive.



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User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3007 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1206 times:



Quoting ATCRick (Reply 11):
Well, I guess they didn't expect the price of fuel to go through the roof like it continues to do. And I guess the "geniuses" could have remained in the market had they chosen to raise the prices significantly to cover the costs. And FYI, G4 is not the first airline to ever pull out of a market because of profitability. So please tell me that you are not that naive.

No, not by a long shot. Just a little bitter. Plus (and airlines are not the only companies displaying this lack of vision), you'd think the business school-educated minds that supposedly run companies plan for such contingencies, and do things like forecasts, etc. I mean, this route started and ended last year within a couple months. Certainly, one could plainly see the trend in fuel prices even then....



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5790 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1183 times:

Allegiant is not afraid to admit their planners made a bad decision and pull a route.

Although GSP-LAS only lasted a few months, other announced Allegiant cities like Waco and Baton Rouge were cancelled before they started. Low prebookings or other reasons such as fuel costs meant Allegiant did not see the potential for profits.

On the other hand consider XJet which has allowed some very poor performing routes to continue for nearly a year, hoping they would develop. XJet gets criticized for that strategy.

Or consider airlines that take revenue guarantees for a year then pull the new route. That wastes airport or other agency funds just to see if a route will develop.

Allegiant focuses on profit. Its why their schedule frequecies go up and down several times a year to match demand. Its why very few routes see daily flights. And why they pull routes quickly that aren't making money.

Given how many airlines have lost money and/or filed BK in the last decade, I like seeing that there are a few who maintain a priority on making money.



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User currently offlineFlyPeoria From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 429 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1130 times:

The Rockford register Star announced maybe 2-3 weeks ago that IWA-GRB/FWA/PIA/RFD/SCK will be temporarily suspended this summer - probably July and August - due to high fuel prices (though monsoon season is certainly a factor).


http://blogs.e-rockford.com/thepassengerseat


User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3007 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1101 times:

I just think G4 didn't give the route a chance. They'll never know how it would have developed, assuming that fuel costs alone weren't the only determining factor. I mean, airlines adjust fares all the time. Even if G4 raised their fares to cover costs, they'd probably have been far lower than legacy carriers to LAS. Just my .02.


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