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PIA Selling Four 747-300  
User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Posted (6 years 6 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6664 times:

Up at this site http://www.speednews.com/EquipmentRe....aspx?Search=Aircraft&Aircraft=747

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User currently offlineKhobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6598 times:

Great - wide body capacity. Now US Airways has nothing to complain about.  Wink

User currently offlineCloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6431 times:

Why can't PK keep these birds and use them for charters, especially for hajj and umrah flights?


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User currently offlineGlareskin From Netherlands, joined Jun 2005, 1304 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6320 times:



Quoting Khobar (Reply 1):
Great - wide body capacity. Now US Airways has nothing to complain about.

I know that Boeing is selling the A340 but Airbus selling the 747??? Naa.  silly 



There's still a long way to go before all the alliances deserve a star...
User currently offlineCharlipr From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2005, 340 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6320 times:



Quoting Khobar (Reply 1):
Great - wide body capacity. Now US Airways has nothing to complain about.

You took the words right out of my mouth. Since US is in such desperate need for widebody, long range capacity, they should pick these babies up so that they can finally have some metal for there PHL-PEK flight, instead of blaming everyone else for there shortfalls on obtaining the adequate aircraft for that route.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6008 times:

Given PIA's poor mx record and generally poor state of their aircraft interiors, I doubt there will be any buyers.


Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineScrubbsYWG From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 1495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6006 times:

what were the main updates between the -300's and -400's?

User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5993 times:

Maybe Qantas will snap these birds up for the Perth flyers Big grin

EK413



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8491 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5966 times:

Seems weird because if anyone can use these birds, you would think PIA would be a prime candidate.

User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5938 times:



Quoting ScrubbsYWG (Reply 6):
what were the main updates between the -300's and -400's?

Where to begin...new wing, avionics, winglets. The list goes on and on.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5916 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 9):
Where to begin...

No flight engineer, lighter composites used through out the fuselage, lighter wing...

EK413



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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7569 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5829 times:

If I wanted a B747-300, I would go for VH-EBX rather than one of the PIA birds.

Compare accident rate between Qantas and PIA, can't be accidental.


User currently offlineCurious From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5796 times:

They are listed as being available for wet-lease not sale? besides arent these aircraft still on the EU ban register? will that mean that they cant fly to EU even under other airline?

User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7569 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5772 times:

I think that it depends on whose AOC it flys on.

That said would you take a punt on a PIA B747 on a VARIG MD11.

Finnair went down that route.


User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6598 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5590 times:



Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 5):
Given PIA's poor mx record and generally poor state of their aircraft interiors, I doubt there will be any buyers.

Orient Thai?

They could well end up on the African register to do hadj flights.


User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5541 times:

UA Airways could do with these heavy aircraft, maybe they should look at them as an interim measure. Unless they plan to strecth the 321 range even further.

User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5251 times:



Quoting Curious (Reply 12):
They are listed as being available for wet-lease not sale? besides arent these aircraft still on the EU ban register? will that mean that they cant fly to EU even under other airline?

Ok, I didnt browse the site for deatils, 747 for SALE and SELLER information/contact was enough to make me think they were going.


User currently offlineManfredj From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4892 times:

Maybe they are ordering 4 748i's to replace them.  Smile


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User currently offlineSirDeath From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4316 times:

To use a Texasism, those PK birds have been rode hard and put away wet... year after year for many, many years. Maybe some maybe some 3rd rate Kalitta knock-off would have use for them as freight dogs in the 3rd world somewhere? Other than that I'm guessing they will sit for a long time, be parted out, and turned into engine blocks for new sports cars.

User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4305 times:

They were immaculate when they were with Cathay. I wonder what they look like now inside. Any one have pictures?


A310/A319/20/21/A332/3/A343/6/A388/B732/5/7/8/B742/S/4/B752/B763/B772/3/W/E145/J41/MD11/83/90
User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10707 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4217 times:

Seeing that Thai´s duo of 743s, younger aicraft than the PIA 743s (with the exception of the late-built AP-BGG), have reportedly been sold for parting out, I don´t see much chance for the PIA birds. I wonder why PIA does not fly them 2 or 3 years longer when they´ve come to the point of retierment cycle-wise.
As someone said before, the only chance I see for them is that one of the Hadj-operators take them, like Kabo Air or Garuda.


User currently offlineEgmcman From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 898 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4207 times:

I suspect they will be parted out the 743's at it is an unloved type that never sold in substantial numbers.

User currently offlineQF744ER From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4192 times:

Any chance of Transaero displaying any interest?

They have several very high hour, RR powered B742's in addition to ex QF B743 VH-EBT which is parked idle somewhere.


User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10707 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4170 times:



Quoting QF744ER (Reply 22):
Any chance of Transaero displaying any interest?

Transaero might well relatively soon retire the 742s which all have clocked 1000000 hours and more, the "magic" number 747s around which usually are retired. But as fleet expansion they have got some ex-JAL 743s (two delivered so far) and apparently the RR-powered SAA 744s will be going to Transaero (1 already delivered, and if it would remain just one would be very odd).


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4826 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4108 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 9):
Quoting ScrubbsYWG (Reply 6):
what were the main updates between the -300's and -400's?

Where to begin...new wing, avionics, winglets. The list goes on and on.



Quoting EK413 (Reply 10):
No flight engineer, lighter composites used through out the fuselage, lighter wing...

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the electronics throughout are different (lighting, etc), ovens etc only have minimal or no power until after engine start, even the phones are different! Toilets use the old blue liquid flush rather than the high power vacuum flush. Whilst some -300 had new engines (it looks like these birds do have them), most -300 had older engines (easy to tell unpainted) that weren't as efficient and couldn't operate at as high an altitude (not as much thrust but also winglets on -400 help reduce drag).
Engineer is a biggie these days as pretty much the 743 and a small group of other aircraft are the only aircraft in pax commerical service that still use engineers... flight engineers are therefore now hard to comeby and are very expensive for airlines.



56 types. 38 countries. 24 airlines.
25 Post contains links 777way : Two of these are said to be going to new Philippine startup www.tairairways.com to operate flights to Saudi Arabia.
26 KHI747 : So does this leave PIA with 3 B743's or 4? Have these planes been grounded for a while or have they been in service until now? The B743's,ever since t
27 Post contains links Imiakhtar : http://youtube.com/watch?v=za6V_NzBXLg Sorry, couldn't find any pics. Flew on one a few years ago from MAN and its interior was in good nic. Most of
28 Post contains images Lightsaber : Wow. I thought these would be prime candidates as beer cans. Good to see they'll see a bit more service. But for how many years? With oil above $100/
29 KHI747 : Yes i agree it sounds strange but then again planning is something PIA dont waste their time with.No one knows the answer to the question why are the
30 A380BWI : Apparently kickbacks and commissions have been made on the deals accustomed to the PK culture. And now when they are upto the EU standards maintenanc
31 Curious : What about the 300's in other airlines? are they still kepping them or is anyone else also offloading their 300's?
32 NA : Current notable 747-300 operators besides PIA: JAL - currently being replaced by 773ERs SV - all active, but retirement has been announced, maybe the
33 Scouseflyer : Am I wrong in thinking that the -400 has a longer upper desk than the -300?
34 NA : The upper deck on a 744 is of the same same size as on a 743.
35 JAL : Will they be replace with more 777s?
36 Post contains images UK_Dispatcher : Thanks for linking to my video Check out the rest of my videos on YouTube too. There are a couple of recent ones of a PIA B747-200 which also include
37 777way : 4 active, 2 stored, one of which AP-BFX Sindh tal is rumored to be cannabalised to get the other one with Flag tail flying, as well as keep one of th
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